Re: Manipulation of Images

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Posted: 15 years ago
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The following post concerns the no "Merging/Morphing" rule that was implemented a while ago. "Merging/Morphing" which the netiquette terms as "manip" short for "manipulation". Also, I'm refering mostly to US laws. If those differ from the laws of the country to which the server of this site belongs, I'd be highly grateful if you can enlighten me :)
The rest of the "MERGING/MORPHING - NOT ALLOWED" post can be found here:
Originally posted by Ananya_A

Taking the original photos and putting desired faces of your favourite actor/actress is wrong as you are messing with the copyrights of the original photos.Not only Telly stars but the photos of Bollywood celebrities are being badly morphed and turned into signatures, but what about the copyrights? Violating the original copyrights of the photos and then putting your own name tag is fraud.
The fans of those stars are getting offended and I am sure if ever the stars visits our site they will neither find it impressive.
I just re-re-read this rule and I can't help but think it is rather hypocritical. One violates the copyrights of the original photograph the very minute one EDITS it in any shape or form. The copyright is further violated by the name tags users tag on to their creations because the "creator" - in the vernacular known as the 'sig-maker' of the creation/fanart did NOT take the picture. If the forum is really worried about violating copyrights - a VAST majority of the sigs violate the copyrights of the original photo. Creating signatures or avatars/icons "infringes" on the copyright of the original photograph as a sig-maker merges the picture with another, thereby breaching the copyrights of two different pictures. So, really how different is it from manipulation? And if they aren't all that different, why prohibit one but let the other continue?
For example:
This signature (picked randomly: I don't have the intention of demeaning anyone) combines two *different* pictures that were from the same photoshoot, and proceeds to place their name/"creation" standard on it. All this is done without the explicit permission of the person to whom the picture belongs: the photographer. This is also a violation of the copyright of the two actual original pictures just as some members claim morphing is. In both instances (sig-"making" and morphing): you take two pictures and edit them - in the process INFRINGING the copyrights of BOTH pictures. So, why is one practice not allowed while the other continues?
In lawful terminology:
[quote]
    ANYTHING that is created and in a "fixed medium" (viewable or hearable format) is automatically protected by U.S. copyright law. Whether the item is labeled copyrighted or not, it still "belongs" to someone -- the creator.
  • U.S. copyright law indicates that if anyone takes something that is copyrighted (be that words, images, sounds, ideas, etc.) without the express permission of the creator (or copyright owner) then that person is in violation of copyright laws and is liable for punishment under the law unless the use is permitted the "fair use" exemption.

[/quote]

The quoted text is taken verbatim from HERE.

* - Fair use exemption is available HERE.

Furthermore, many avatars are from movies on the internet -- that aren't even SUPPOSED to be on the internet yet because they haven't been officially released to DVD. Ever given thought to how many copyrights people violate that way? Why is it that creating avatars out of something that shouldn't be floating around the net is fine but manipulating pictures which considerably violates less laws is banned? Merely because it doesn't suit your fancy, I presume? Brilliant reasoning, that is.
Also, if it "bothers" fans, they should learn to turn the signature button off or leave the topic. No one's holding them at gun point and stating "You must see this manip". Better yet, they should learn to grow up. The pictures don't belong to the fans any more than they do to the sig-makers who manipulate them. So why should one side be given a clear priority? I realize that this may come across as arrogant but the double standard is startling. By the disingenuous standards of IF, it's a-okay to create signatures and icons while violating the copyrights by not only editing the original photograph but also adding a customary tag signifying that one created the artwork but it's not okay to morph images, which also - for the record - violates the same laws?
Why?
If the DEV team here really cares about not violating the copyrights of images as Ananya_A's post implies, along with manipulation of images, you should also prohibit sig/avi-"making" because when you look at it objectively, these two concepts really aren't that far apart. However, if you're going to let one of them continue, take restrictions off from the other as well. Basically, I'm trying to say that what you apply to one concept should also be applied to the other unless it is your intention to appear hypocritical. Of course, in that case, the whole point of this post is moot.
Cheers,
- ShadowKisses.

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Ambrosia thumbnail
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Merging/Morphing means cutting out parts from a picture and pasting them into some other. eg
The original picture is this-
The member has cut the face of Shahrukh and the girl and pasted the face of Samrat and Gunjan -
Here are more examples which I am sure you have already seen
EXAMPLE 1
EXAMPLE 2
EXAMPLE 3
You are not allowed to do this.. as you are violating with the original copyright and putting your name tag which is fraud.
The signature of Aishwarya that you have posted, it has the orinigal photos of the actress herself not her face on someone elses. You have combined her photos together into one signature, you have not pasted a pic of Rani on Aish'a body.
If a couple has not worked together, you simply cant add their faces on another couple just to satisfy your dreams. This is what we are referring to as violating the copyrights of the photo.It creates a lot of confusions among fans, and people tend to get hurt from seeing a couple merged (if they don't like the couple) into their couple.
I can understand this is really confusing for most of the members here. I used to be getting PMs about the same thing but I thought members by now have got over this confusion. Anyways I hope I am making sense now.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Ambrosia, I very well know what merging/morphing and manipulation mean ;) Thanks for the examples though. That said, your post even further proves my point. Let's take your signature for an example. You put together two pictures that weren't previously combined (same concept as merging/morphing) and added your creation tag to the mix. That is also an infringement of copyright since I'm pretty sure you didn't take the original pictures yourself and as such, have no legal permission to edit them. When you even edit a slight thing of a photograph (e.g. combining two pictures as is the case with the Aishwarya and your Robert/Megan sig, turning it into sepia tone, smoothing over blemishes) without the permission of the original creator, you violate the copyright of that image because that's not how the original creator intended it to be. Therefore, when you allow this type of violation of copyright (combining two pictures when the original creator/copyright holder did NOT intend it to be so), why do you prohibit manipulation? To put it delicately, the copyright argument is deceitful, hypocritical, and I'm quite sure you know that too.
As for your other arguments, you stated that if a couple hasn't worked together, you can't put their faces to new bodies to satisfy dreams. Um what? I'm quite sure the two actors in the signature above have starred together in a serial. So, I can't see the basis of that. Well, why can't one do manipulate pictures to "satisfy [their] dreams"? What IS the harm in it? Sure, some people get pissed off for reasons I can't fathom, but why are you simply willing to appease those who get "hurt from seeing a couple merged (if they don't like the couple) into their couple" while letting those who derive a sense of happiness from the manipulation to bite the dust? IMO, that's being extremely one-sided, and showing a bias towards those who get hurt over an image in someone else's signature.
Hypothetically, if I and quite a few others were to tell you that we were extremely hurt at seeing Robert with Megan together in your signature; would you remove your sig and implement a rule stating that Robert-Megan sigs aren't allowed? No, right? After all, it's YOUR signature, YOUR preference and I ultimately should get no say in what YOU chose to pick as YOUR signature. So, why is it that some "hurt" fans get a say in what other people should create and/or put as their signature? They should not be given the upper hand. The fans don't OWN the pictures any more than those who manipulate the pictures, they are NOT the copyright holders so, why are they given the priority? That reeks of favouritism, even though I'm sure you didn't intend for it to be that way.
It's not really confusing so much as it is a hoax ;) I'm not calling you out on being confusing but on the unintended hypocrisy and lack of valid reasoning for barring morphing. I understand you and your arguments perfectly well; I simply don't think your fallacious and misleading arguments are valid enough to prohibit morphing which is why I protested this earlier (see the "Merging/Morphing - Not Allowed" thread - linked above) and am doing so now.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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^ Why is there no reply to that yet?

;)
It should simply be allowed. Because it is hypocritical whatever the Dev Team has said.
You say if the two actors haven't worked together, you can't morph their faces? Uhh, Sanaya and Mohit have worked together in MJHT. What you said simply does not make sense in anyway.
For the people who get offended, as Shadowkisses said, they're not being forced to see the signatures, now are they? Just to satisfy them, the creators can't morph? It's their signature, they can very well do whatever they please. The fans that find this offensive can simply learn to grow up because it has nothing to do with them.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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actually that is something I have wondered a LOT about!


technically, a lot of the photoshoots are copyrighted photos...

well I have made sigs too..

I dont understand under what permission is the use of copyrighted images/videos covered in siggies? I understand morphing and merging and I am not talking about them

isnt that a violation in some sense?

oh well...
Edited by carolinecj - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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actually if copyright infringement is concerned then even posting episode videos of serials is wrong. Isnt it ???
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: ishan.k

actually if copyright infringement is concerned then even posting episode videos of serials is wrong. Isnt it ???



technically YES!
they are the copyright of teh channels right but then the channels allowe thm on youtube ..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: carolinecj



technically YES!
they are the copyright of teh channels right but then the channels allowe thm on youtube ..



ohk i wasnt knowing this !!! Thanks Caro !!!😊
petticoat thumbnail
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: ishan.k



ohk i wasnt knowing this !!! Thanks Caro !!!😊



I am not sure ishan
after every show there is a copyright statement usually.

Zee's pavitra rishta is being loaded by zee tv on utube.. so im of the opinion that they are discouraging the videos being loaded by other people..

I have uploaded videos on utube and utube says do not load videos of shows...

I mean come on they cannot be unaware of people loading stuff on youtube and other resources

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