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Posted: 9 years ago
The one good thing about today's episode was Sita's silence. Keeping aside the fact that the story of Raavan's revenge is so distorted for now and that surpi keeps coming up time and again like a typical serial vamp, the silence from Sita and the eyes that seemed to be tuned on all the Lanka gang was good.
Mandodari's words about this being the start of vinaash was what vibhishan tells Raavan requesting him to let Sita ma go.

The chains were over done. And truly like mentioned here, this seemed to be a rehash of baahubali😆

It is not Raavan who starves Sita but Sita herself who does not eat leading to the Gods to come to her assurance.

Raavan seemed mighty pleased at his mom's suggestion to make Sita his wife. So are the cvs going to re write this to make Raavan be closer to the original?

Mandodari, vibhishan and Sulochana did well except that all of them have nothing to do or say. They are mute spectators.. are we going to see vibhishan try to talk sense into Raavan at some point?
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Posted: 9 years ago

This article based on the characterization of Sita in Valmiki Ramayana explains a lot of things people usually express confusion on, starting from whether Ram and Sita were truly Gods, and if so why they behaved like humans in the epic. It was not that they were not aware of their divinity, but it was to teach humanity how to behave ideally when faced with sorrows. This article also addressed many confusions regarding how Ravan was able to touch Sita during her haran. It was because she let him touch her, so that her curse as Vedavati would come true through Rama.


http://valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga56/aranya_56_frame.htm

An enigma called - Seetha

Is Seetha really the Goddess Lakshmi? This question is often raised and answered by commentators. Ravana kidnapped umpteen numbers of beautiful women and goddess, but why his dialogues with Seetha are given many shades of meanings by all most all commentators. Is this for proving Ravana as devotee or else to prove that Seetha is not a human but Goddess Lakshmi - is the collateral objection. Apparently, Seetha is behaving like a normal woman but latently her speeches, verbiage, or the words put by Valmiki on her tongue, indicate that she is an all-powerful enigma... without saying who she is.

If she is an incarnation of Goddess Lakshmi how then can Ravana lift her up and carry this far - is the next dilemma, because Ravana's strength becomes useless to lift up Lakshmana who swooned on the battlefield when Ravana used Shakti missile. In Yuddha Kaanda Ch. 59 verse 111 it is said: himavaan mandaro meroH trai lokyam vaa saha amaraiH | shakyam bhujaabhyaam uddhartum na shakyo bharata anujaH

'Ravana may have lifted Mt. Himavan, Mt. Mandara, Mt. Meru or all the three worlds along with all gods, but he could not lift up Bharata's brother Lakshmana with both of his shoulders...'

Ravana wanted to distance fiercer Lakshmana from Rama so that Rama's intensity of warring lessens. Then an episode of this lifting occurs and Hanuma on seeing this comes to Ravana and hits Ravana with fist, by which Ravana falls distantly with blood effusing from eyes, ears, and mouth. Then Hanuma easily lifts up Lakshmana and takes him to Rama. A man in swoon will not weigh differently to two different lifters. How then Ravana could not lift Lakshmana, which is not at all a great feat to Hanuma? For this the very next verse 112 gives a reply saying that:

'even if Lakshmana is hit by Shakti missile of Brahma, he is conscious of himself as an unimaginable entity of God Vishnu, so Ravana could not lift Lakshmana. Whereas Hanuma happened to be a true devotee of God Almighty, he could easily lift Lakshmana...'

Then the original topic of Ravana's lifting and carrying off Seetha comes to fore. She is also another unimaginable entity of Supreme Person. How then can Ravana lift her? For this it is said thatSeetha allowed herself to be carried off by Ravana as she pledged in the incarnation of Vedavati.

The legend goes on to say that Vedavati is the brainchild of a sage called Kushadhwaja, and he decides to give Vedavati only to Vishnu in marriage. But it is an unfulfilled desire in his lifetime. Then Vedavati starts a rigorous penance to achieve her father's wish. When she is at the culmination point of her penance, Ravana passing that way in skyway sees this beautiful lady, nears, and disturbs her penance. Vedavati coming out of her meditation curses Ravana saying that she will reincarnate herself to destroy Ravana and his entire dynasty. Then she causes a yogic fire and immolates herself in it. Ravana took this as prattle by a woman-hermit, dismisses that curse, and conveniently forgets it.

Later, Ravana being an ardent devotee of Shiva, on one day when he enters a lake to get lotuses for his daily worship of Shiva, and finds among lotuses a baby in a lotus. He brings that lotus and the baby to his palace, in all his fondness for children. But his empress Mandodari doubts the arrival of this baby in lotus and recognises that baby as Goddess Lakshmi. They consult their teachers about that baby's arrival. Those teachers, priests and pundits advise to get rid of this baby immediately, for she is Vedavati, arrived here only to end Ravana and his dynasty. Then Mandodari orders the servants to carry away this baby in a casket, and bury it.

Empress Mandodari further curses that girl saying: 'this faithless girl [for Wealth has no faithfulness, and this girl is recognised as Goddess Lakshmi - presiding deity of Wealth,] will thrive only in a house, where the householder has his senses conquered, and who being an emperor lives like a perfect hermit, and who though wealthy and supreme by himself, will care nothing for the riches but view whole of the world and people as his own soul, with an impartial attitude...' Mandodari thought that such a person is an impossibility to take birth in this mortal world, and thus presumed this curse to be twisty. But there is King Janaka who has all these attributes. A king without ego, wealthy one living simple, childless but yet does not crave for children, like King Dasharatha. Hence, he is called raajarshi a saintly king. While King Janaka was about to perform a Vedic ritual, he had to till some piece of land as a ceremonial act to commence that ritual. Then this casket with the baby is touched to the blade at the end of plough-beam and that plough halted. The attendants dug up that area only to find this casket with baby. The childless Janaka takes the baby into his arms and names her as 'Seetha...' where Seetha in Sanskrit means 'furrow.' This is as per aananda raamaayaNa Thus, Goddess Lakshmi became Vedavati and Vedavati became Seetha of Ramayana, as such Valmiki calls his Ramayana siithaayaH charitam mahaan...

Then another counter objection - it is all correct to say that all puraaNaa-s say that these characters in Ramayana as gods and goddesses, as Vishnu Puraana says raaghavatve havat siitaa rukmiNii kR^iSNa jananii. But does Valmiki say it in his epic? For this it is answered, though it is not said explicitly there are many instances indicating towards this divinity of Seetha. Seetha asks Fire-god to become cool for Hanuma, when his tail is burnt saying siito bhava hanumataa and likewise she could have said hato bhava raavaNa 'dead you are Ravana...' But she does not say so for, because Rama has to undertake that process of elimination of vice called Ravana. As Seetha said in Sundara Kanda Ch. 22, verse 20: a sandeshaat tu raamasya tapasaH ca anupaalanaat | na tvaam kurmi dashagriiva bhasma bhasmaarha tejasaa ||

'As I have no indication from Rama to burn you down, nor do I wish to waste my ascetic power, therefore I do not burn you to ashes, though you are worthy to become a mound of ash...'na apahartum aham shkyaa tvayaa raamasya dhiimataH | vidhiH tava vadha arthaaya vihito na atra samshayaH ||

'I am un-seizable for [any] as I am the wife of bold Rama, but it happened so, for you are fated to doom [you could seize me...] undoubtedly...'

Again in Yuddha Kanda Brahma in eulogising Rama for eliminating Ravana says in Ch. 117, verse 28: siitaa lakshmiiH bhavaan viSNuH... 'Seetha is Lakshmi and you are Vishnu...' Like this, there are many bits and pieces of information to establish her as an incarnate of Vedavati alias Goddess Lakshmi. Govindaraja.

Then why she and Rama behaved like humans in their wailing, moaning, and bawling is again a secondary query. This is according to loka riiti, laukika vidhaana 'humanly nature, behaviour in human world...' Though this humanly behaviour is not innate trait as Rama says aatmaanam aham maanuSam manye 'I for myself confess to be human...' Hence this humanly wailing and bawling are due to an adopted human behaviour, where incarnation itself is an adaptation.

Their humanly behaviour is to show themselves as one with the humans, asking humans to undergo these series of sufferings to eliminate unrighteousness, either in the society or within themselves. Besides, their mission is to make believe Ravana that they are just humans, as Ravana is killable by humans and monkeys, but not to hoodwink readers, the adherents or all of us put together. Maheshvara Tiirtha.

This incarceration of Seetha in Ashoka gardens is viewed as the incarceration of the innate soul in birthed being's body. The release from that body, namely moksha is achievable only when that being wants a perfect release by transcending the threefold nature consisting of sattva, rajas, tamo guNaaH 'purity, activity and stolidity...' and with an unswerving devotion to the Supreme as said in Gita, 14-26: maam ca yo avyabhicaareNa bhakti yogena sevate | sa guNaan samatiitya etaan brahma bhuuya kalpate ||

'And such- / With single, fervent faith adoring Me, / Passing beyond the Qualities, conforms / To Brahma, and attains Me!' - Sir Edwin Arnold.

God Almighty is said to be masculine single, the rest of the universe is taken as feminine, as said in Vishnu Puraana: sa eva vaasudevo ayam saakShaat puruSha ucyate | strii praayam etat sarvam jagat brahma purassaram || Then the way the innate soul, called Seetha, is incarcerated is, when she had no help of the Supreme or the Adherent of the Supreme, [Rama and Lakshmana.] Then the Decahedral demon [the demon called Ten Motor Senses,] came and captured the Soul, called Seetha and incarcerated that soul in Lanka. The syllable 'lam' in the word Lanka is lam - biijaakshara which stands for earth, and because body is earthly, lascivious and carnal, the soul enters that body by its bondage. If that soul again tries for a final release, that soul shall seek the Ultimate as said in the verse of Gita, quoted above.

There is no instance to quote that Rama or Seetha have performed some miracles, special effects or any other optical works... perhaps due to lack of any FX studio or something like that, or due to their humanly behaviour. This wizardry is shown by demons and monkeys but not by mannish Rama or womanish Seetha. Yet Seetha is held more enigmatic than Rama. If she is not an enigma how she footslogged miles and miles in forests without hiring a taxi, and how she came out of blazing fire when she performed self-immolation after Great War? These are but two questions among many. Because these questions are never-ending and more enigmatic, because we think that we have deciphered what Rama is, it is better retain Seetha as an undecipherable enigma.

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

What's up with Sita's suicide attempt with the Chandrahas?Sita Ma was supposed to be brave and courageous, and once Ravan touched her, she wanted Ram to kill him and take her back. She did not have suicidal tendencies. Now is the time for CVs to show her brave side!

And the Sita who lifted the Shiv Dhanush, why can't she lift Ravan's mere Chandrahas? It makes no sense whatsoever.



i was thinking the same, she can lift the shiv dhanush which raavan can't lift but not the chandrahaas 😲
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Posted: 9 years ago
hai.
What was that I saw yesterday.skr or a part of Bahubali..really got irked..😡Sita ko devasena a bana diya.very stupid and Sita trying to not close her eyes and that entire surphanakas stupid blabbering 😲😲
Now cvs r following cinemas?

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Posted: 9 years ago
Hello, to understand why the CVS portrayed Sita Maa like this, you need to understand that SKR is just an interpretation of the Ramayana. The CVS are portraying what they think Sita might have went through and how she would have faced it. They wanted to show her as the person she was, strong, determined, loyal, and fearless. I am just voicing my opinion, so sorry if I hurt your feelings.

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Posted: 9 years ago
What's worse - The writers instead of accepting that they may have overdramatized stuff for TRPs or whatever, keep parroting the same thing that whatever gets shown in SKR is something that has never been shown before so that makes the show unique 🥱🥱

This lack of humility and lack of openness on their part to accept suggestions / constructive criticism is just 🤢
Edited by lexy_rix - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
this is utkarsh's old problem, that guy can not take a word of criticism. constructive or negetive both.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..


Exactly; I am not at all a fain of villains, be they Ravan or Duryodhan or whomever, but I do not agree with blaming them for crimes they did not commit.

Blame Ravan for his womanizing qualities. Blame him for considering women as the weaker gender. Blame him for dishonoring women through sexual assault and killing innocent sages for praying to a certain God.

But do not create crimes just to blame him further.

True, here they are trying to show that Ravan just wanted to avenge for his insult in Janaka Sabha during Sita Swayamvar and he make use of his sisters excuse to initiate the action. Since he was insulted by her father, he want to insult Janak by making his daughter his servant who would have been his wife otherwise. Though he brought her to Lanka claiming to take revenge for the insult of his sister, his main intention was to insult her & her father and to humiliate her husband for his incapability to save his wife despite lifting and breaking the Shiv Dhanush. That is the reason he didn't allow Shurpanakha to harm her and to save his skin or ego, he has asked them to keep her captive in one place without food and water and sleep.
His intentions will change based on his mother Kaikesi's advise to have her as his so that, her satitva will save him (as per SKR). Once he gets that advise, he will free Sita from all the binding chains and will allow her freedom in Ashoka Vatika.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: lexy_rix

What's worse - The writers instead of accepting that they may have overdramatized stuff for TRPs or whatever, keep parroting the same thing that whatever gets shown in SKR is something that has never been shown before so that makes the show unique 🥱🥱

This lack of humility and lack of openness on their part to accept suggestions / constructive criticism is just 🤢


Glad Bahubaali 2 is delayed , otherwise god knows what viewers would have been subjected to after Skr Writers got inspiration from that too😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
Note:

Hello guys,
At times, strong opinion is expected considering sentiments attached to this Epic & its characters, when they are not shown as per the popular version of the story. Please concentrate on creative criticism instead of posting personal remarks on Cvs or any actors.

SKR DT

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