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sshirley thumbnail
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Posted: 9 years ago
Shruthi., lovely analysis.. esp. about BM they have totally evolved into a perfect couple.. they are totally different from each other (with B emotional/towards prakriti n M being practical/towards sanskriti) yet perfectly in sync.
one thing I wanted to point out in Monday's epi (but forgot while writing) wasthe cono between sita n the kid, when he says he will also come to help them killing the demons.. my thought:
aren't we like the kid? whether we are capable or not, we always want to do something that is 'big n recognizable' rather than doing our (supposedly mundane) duties.. everyone wants to change the world (a glamorous thing), no one wants to help their aged parents (borng work for which we cant take credit). see after sita says u have to stay here for seva n raksha of everyone, he catches onto only raksha.. saying yes, I will do raksha..
hope what I said makes sense
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Posted: 9 years ago
DD.. give me some time, I will surely read ur poetry thread.. to understand poetry fully, one need to be totally free and in a leisurely mood..
otherwise I wont be able to grasp the depth..sir ke upar se jayega.. if u know what I mean
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Posted: 9 years ago
Shirley yes it is everyone wants to do the glamorous things that get attention. But what they forget is if you don't do mundane things correctly who will trust you with greater things.
And yes I am happy that the child caught the word raksha or protection. Because ur inner strength is displayed the most when you protect something you truly care for.
Yes BM has beautifully evolved to a mature, understanding couple. Unlike Ram-Sita where Ram is Sanskriti, Sita is Prakriti which is the norm as you rightly said BM is the reverse. But it shows unlike what the society thinks that only Ram-Siya is correct, a BM also can function correctly if we can think beyond the stereotypes of power equations.
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Posted: 9 years ago
Hello everyone.I just watched 3 episodes back to back today.so please excuse my meanderings from one path to another. Ram goes in search of Siya and finds her and what follows is his assurance that he would find her wherever she is...an allusion to her forced stay in Lanka. The symbolism in the river and the barren land perhaps represented, the latter her state of mind and the former her hope that he finds her. His search for her a foretelling of the same after her kidnapping by Ravan. I liked this seemingly calm search, a beautiful prelude to the turbulent and poignant one in the future. If this was about the faith of a wife as well a devotee.
Then the Hanuman scene was a gentle reminder to us that we will lose our way to him if we get lost in the mires of self-pride in knowing him. Reminded me of the times when I would inadvertently listen to unwanted conversations between people in the temple premises, it would be any thing from the number of times they have visited the temple to their strict religious practices etc...where was the deity in all of this?
The Sita- Anusuya convo was quite poignant for they both had an inkling that the journey of Sita in the future would be the test of her mental strength as well as her endurance...It was as if by giving her the special attire Sati Anusuya was reassuring her that her forced stay in Lanka would in no way diminish her purity of mind and her self respect...the day she left Mithila it was Raj rishi Janak -her father who acted as a guide ,today it was a mother.
The contrast and the similarities in the Birthday celebration scenes for Ram and Bharat were quote good. Here it is Sita who brings his family to Ram and in the Nadi gram it is Shrutkirti who brings Bharath's family to him.Sita lights earthern lamps thus closing the loop where she with her sisters had done the same on their journey to Ayodhya. The contrast was that with Bharath they were really present while Sita evoked their memories for Ram.
I loved the dialogue when she says that her wish for them is that Ram should always be in her eyes and she should always be in his heart...the symbolic thing is that she does not say that he should be in her vision or even that they should always be together...perhaps an indication to both her kidnapping and her banishment.
Again in the scene where she talks about how a female animal gives birth, protects her kid ,nurtures it without its mate's help, Ram had the same expression that he had when he returns the fallen sand from her birth ground. Reminds me of a story from Vaman avatar .When Bali's sister first sees this beautiful boy she thinks in her mind that she would have liked to feed him and then when she sees his true colors ,she with anger states that she would have liked to poison him. Vishnu smiles in his mind at her thoughts and says so be it. In Krishna avatar she is born as the demon putana who tries to kill him as an infant. I just felt that when Ram was listening to Sita's views , he said so be it...she did do it all excellently without his presence, didn't she?
Savita


sshirley thumbnail
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Posted: 9 years ago
Shruthi.. thanks for the response.. loved it..
Savita, your analysis is just superb!!👏
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Posted: 9 years ago
@Savitha thanks for the explanation of the symbolism of that search. You bought out the contrast well. And Sita-Ram convo you said it right. He might have said as you wish. And yes mindless mumblings happening in temple actually destroys the peace in the temple. Maybe that can be one of the reasons I prefer to visit temples when it is not crowded 😃.
Want to add few more points. I talked about third party in Kishkinda. Here it is Hanuman Sugreeva's friend who is third party. But in Ayodhya also it is the third party who wrecked havoc. Manthara and her interference in Kaikeyi's family affairs creates the mess.
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Posted: 9 years ago
Shruthi , your points wrt the third person interventions in family was a very good one .
Lessons for the elders in families to check the interferences of such third persons who may end up ruining !

Sita and Lakshman bond was also well bought out in the show !

Very interesting presentations on the whole !
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Posted: 9 years ago
beautiful analysis ...
1 of BM understanding to what should be couple like ...and not only the sita ram are correct ...I think the first one in much more need in present day society (strictly my pov)
2 on growing understanding between sita and lakshman ...
3 on third party talk in kishkinda ...depending on the third party destroyed the families ...and elders should check on third party and provide healthy emotional environment within family ...much needed lesson in present day society ...
shruti you bring out the point of manthara manipulating kakayei ...and interfering within the royal family ...my take on that event ... isn't it represent the insecurity which is prevalent in present society ...and outsider using it for their benefits ...but ayodha is different in kishkinda in handling the matter ...kakayei expressed her view to her family and fulfilled the purpose (the way she used is a different thing) but she used no outsiders while dealing with her family ...she didn't tell anyone anything the brother and other queen felt bad ...but again they didn't allowed the outsiders to step in matter and insult or qs kakayei ...when jablai tried to instigate ram and insult kakayei(openly in society) he reminded jabali of his limits as an outsider ...when shatrughan tried to separate manthra from rajbhavan and punish her for her deeds ...kakayei stopped him saying she is like mother to her ...but again he remind kakayei that she is a family member (his brother mother, also his step-mother) but she is a outsider who was given respect but she forgot her limits ...sumitra herself stopped kakayei from coming to dashrath ...and doesn't included sanik or daasi inbetween ...in the last bharath realized her of her mistake of including a outsider in family ...she was punished for her deeds ...she repented latter ...but still she was the part of family and not discarded ...she was given the deserved respect and position within in family ...that was a problem created within family and solved within the family ...(an outsider just manipulated a members insecurity ...but latter the things happened between the family outsider was not included in family matter and decision or to advocate any member decision in front of family)
[strictly my pov not meant to offend anyone]
Edited by Rex_Ryan - 9 years ago
shruthiravi thumbnail
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Posted: 9 years ago
@Rex that is what I said in earlier post Ayodhya the matter was handled within family, but a third party pried on the insecurity.
But in Kishkinda if you look the solution is completely by third party ie Hanuman. He is the bridge between Ram and Sugreev.
And even in MB it is always Krishna whether in famous hall of dice or the war the solution comes through third party.
Gandhari curses Krishna forgetting that it is her brother who is a third party who has actually wrecked havoc for her sons, for her family.
And the lynch pin of MB. A brother was made third party. Karna. If kunti had owned him up there would not have been MB. Because Karna wouldn't have played recklessly the way Yudhi does. He would have questioned Shakuni method then and there.
Same in Ramayana also when Ravan makes Vibishan third party. Making someone in your family third party and allowing a third party in your family both wreck havoc.
Yes I agree to you BM is the need of the society.
Edited by shruthiravi - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
@shruti ...yes you are right ...whether a third party is included or a family part is made third party ...destruction is invited!!!!

the way you relate both epic is amazing ...your analysis is commendable...
Edited by Rex_Ryan - 9 years ago

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