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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ami25

I am not against worshiping Lord rama - those who do it - it is perfectly fine. But i am not being scientific when i say i think lord Rama was a bad husband !! I think it as a woman and i dont find anything spiritual in abandoning your wife when she is pregnant just because of few people said something against her !!! but apart from our discussion i think filing a case is silly !! Every person is different when it comes to worship or not to worship anyone. There are millions of things wrong in sanamtam dharm , and some are good too !! but i wont get it started here now. My whole point was against this man filing a case again Lord ram and wasting courts time. just one last word- injustice was done with SIta and even God can not deny this !! she left lord rama in the end anyway ! and if u think lord ram was god , still i say to that God -- you have done injustice to your wife --- period ! this is what i feel as a woman which is above any religious discussion or spiritual reasoning


U said few things were not so big deal in those time !! what is wrong is wrong in every yug-- like raping, stealing, abandoning your pregnant wife !!! men got away with many things against woman on the name of dharma -- sati pratha, dev dasi, having multiple wives, not giving her rights to enter temples, not worshipping or touching anything during periods, and list goes on and on ---people give example of ram sita jori but i woudlnt wish this kind of marraige to any woman -- even to you if u are a woman !! would u wish this life for urself ?? I am against Lord rama actiions as a woman !! No argument can make me believe that Lord ram was right in doing so. But i am adding it againt filing a case now is foolishness
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Ami agree to some extent with what you said ...
But I beg to differ a bit in Lord Buddha's case..
Yes u are right Siddhartha left his wife and kid to attain buddhahood, for greater good of society and its true that if he had not done this he wouldn't have got enlightenment...but I have heard people saying-was it right on his part to call his kid as RAHULA ? Even if he left his wife in palace , he had abandoned her with a new born child and abandoned the kingdom.

When Siddhartha left he was not Buddha , the wise one , later he wrote many sutras and his ultimate teaching in lotus sutra he himself said that one can attain enlightenment even by staying amidst the worldly affairs, its not wrong to have desires..
He could foresee that in the latter day of law(kaliyug ) ppl won't leave their house hold to attain buddhahood.. So they can attain it by being in a household by manifesting the Buddha nature in their work and relationship i.e wisely handling various situations, not getting affected by the negative factors around you..

So Buddha was not wrong but if we see from today's POV by which Lord Ram is said to have been wrong , even Siddhartha was wrong (Siddhartha and Buddha are NOT same, Buddha was Siddhartha's enlightened form , and Siddhartha thought differently as he attained buddhahood)
Since it was inevitable for him to not make that sacrifice as he had to find the way and that he could do only if he left them, he taught most of us to be in households and practice Buddhism...

Bottom line is that none of Ram , Krishna and Buddha were wrong, its only that we see everything with our limited knowledge... Once we know each and everything about them and the situations which led them to do so we will find they were not wrong..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@aditi actually based on the story I have read the horoscope of Buddha said either he will be a world renowned king or a saint who will impart great knowledge.
His father feared the child if sees any miseries would opt for sainthood and kept Siddharta away from all miseries. But then post marriage Siddhartha ended up seeing misery and then he became so much thoughtful and decided to end the worldly life. As a rational person I feel if he had been not much shielded from miseries in the childhood, he would have developed empathy and as a child itself might have wanted solutions and would have grown into a balanced person and a great king who would have used the knowledge for the welfare of his subjects
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@aditi actually based on the story I have read the horoscope of Buddha said either he will be a world renowned king or a saint who will impart great knowledge.

His father feared the child if sees any miseries would opt for sainthood and kept Siddharta away from all miseries. But then post marriage Siddhartha ended up seeing misery and then he became so much thoughtful and decided to end the worldly life. As a rational person I feel if he had been not much shielded from miseries in the childhood, he would have developed empathy and as a child itself might have wanted solutions and would have grown into a balanced person and a great king who would have used the knowledge for the welfare of his subjects


Agree

That's what he said in his lotus sutra after attaining enlightenment, that even being admist all wordly affairs one can attain buddhahood...
But dont u feel his journey to seek the true path to happiness was important as if he stayed in his kingdom he would have just been like Ram.. People would have felt since he is an incarnation of Vishnu he has so much knowledge... But buddha avtar's main objective was to teach everyone that every normal human has the capacity to become Buddha or attain enlightenment if he follows the right path...


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Posted: 9 years ago
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@aditi his path was important. But the problem is people does not understand. His avatar need was giving knowledge, but if using that knowledge if he had lived with all purusharth that includes a family life, people would have gained more is my take.
Because in Ram avatar, Ram and Sita had to separate. And on most occasions it is believed that people who go after knowledge or enlightenment are not supposed to be wealthy or powerful. It is a wrong take. If wealth and power comes in the hand of those with right knowledge then this world will be a better place. We will not see this much destruction.
World needs proof of success with all purusharth, only then that path will be taken by majority. That's why in a way Krishna is worshipped more, or connected with more.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@aditi his path was important. But the problem is people does not understand. His avatar need was giving knowledge, but if using that knowledge if he had lived with all purusharth that includes a family life, people would have gained more is my take.

Because in Ram avatar, Ram and Sita had to separate. And on most occasions it is believed that people who go after knowledge or enlightenment are not supposed to be wealthy or powerful. It is a wrong take. If wealth and power comes in the hand of those with right knowledge then this world will be a better place. We will not see this much destruction.
World needs proof of success with all purusharth, only then that path will be taken by majority. That's why in a way Krishna is worshipped more, or connected with more.


Yes you are right ...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: aditi97

Ami agree to some extent with what you said ...

But I beg to differ a bit in Lord Buddha's case..
Yes u are right Siddhartha left his wife and kid to attain buddhahood, for greater good of society and its true that if he had not done this he wouldn't have got enlightenment...but I have heard people saying-was it right on his part to call his kid as RAHULA ? Even if he left his wife in palace , he had abandoned her with a new born child and abandoned the kingdom.

When Siddhartha left he was not Buddha , the wise one , later he wrote many sutras and his ultimate teaching in lotus sutra he himself said that one can attain enlightenment even by staying amidst the worldly affairs, its not wrong to have desires..
He could foresee that in the latter day of law(kaliyug ) ppl won't leave their house hold to attain buddhahood.. So they can attain it by being in a household by manifesting the Buddha nature in their work and relationship i.e wisely handling various situations, not getting affected by the negative factors around you..

So Buddha was not wrong but if we see from today's POV by which Lord Ram is said to have been wrong , even Siddhartha was wrong (Siddhartha and Buddha are NOT same, Buddha was Siddhartha's enlightened form , and Siddhartha thought differently as he attained buddhahood)
Since it was inevitable for him to not make that sacrifice as he had to find the way and that he could do only if he left them, he taught most of us to be in households and practice Buddhism...

Bottom line is that none of Ram , Krishna and Buddha were wrong, its only that we see everything with our limited knowledge... Once we know each and everything about them and the situations which led them to do so we will find they were not wrong..


dharma say it is all your karma tha comes bk to you !! u are talking about we see things with our limited knowledge right ? then if someone else abandon his pregnant wife today --- say if this happend to you or any of us then we should accept it--- because we have limited knowledge, may be there of god's plan for all of us ! -- Rama laid an example by abandoning his pregnant wife to all of us out there-- he didnt say anywhere that he was wrong in doing so. So his followers has the right to follow him ! our Guru or teachers or prophets lay examples for us so that we follow the right path !! what did Lotd Rama want youth learn from him?? woman has always been victimized through centuries even by Gods !! it is shameful but true ---I am against any god who does it --- they make woman suffer, without whom they can not even enter this world !! how sinful is that ??
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ami25


dharma say it is all your karma tha comes bk to you !! u are talking about we see things with our limited knowledge right ? then if someone else abandon his pregnant wife today --- say if this happend to you or any of us then we should accept it--- because we have limited knowledge, may be there of god's plan for all of us ! -- Rama laid an example by abandoning his pregnant wife to all of us out there-- he didnt say anywhere that he was wrong in doing so. So his followers has the right to follow him ! our Guru or teachers or prophets lay examples for us so that we follow the right path !! what did Lotd Rama want youth learn from him?? woman has always been victimized through centuries even by Gods !! it is shameful but true ---I am against any god who does it --- they make woman suffer, without whom they can not even enter this world !! how sinful is that ??

Ram didn't abandon Sita, he ordered Lakshman to leave her at Valmiki Ashram. so please stop adjuring based on Later interpolations. if you really want to question Ram, Then first Read Ramayana than reading Modern feminism articles accusing ram as bad husband based on no truth. I don't compel everyone to accept Ram acts. of course, everyone so have perspective. but you know, I can't make any worthy debate with the people who living in mere imaginations of folklores instead of read original Ramayana.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: iDea-yeS-viruS

Ram didn't abandon Sita, he ordered Lakshman to leave her at Valmiki Ashram. so please stop adjuring based on Later interpolations. if you really want to question Ram, Then first Read Ramayana than reading Modern feminism articles accusing ram as bad husband based on no truth. I don't compel everyone to accept Ram acts. of course, everyone so have perspective. but you know, I can't make any worthy debate with the people who living in mere imaginations of folklores instead of read original Ramayan

U still can not buy me into accepting that Lord Rama was right in doing so. whereever he abandoned her -- he left her !! and he didnt even bother to see how she was doing !! yeah it is not right to have a debate here ! U are spot on that. everyone is judged by their actions -- and if rama was worng Supreme formless god must have judged him for sure. We are not here to file a case against him when he is not alive anymore---

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ami25


U still can not buy me into accepting that Lord Rama was right in doing so. whereever he abandoned her -- he left her !! and he didnt even bother to see how she was doing !! yeah it is not right to have a debate here ! U are spot on that. everyone is judged by their actions -- and if rama was worng Supreme formless god must have judged him for sure. We are not here to file a case against him when he is not alive anymore---


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