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Posted: 9 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: -Mano-


So should I cry,then
u called me offended,that I said crime,relax,complain
while I never used such words
Did I talk about psychology then
I replied and went on
when u think about ur feeling u should do the same too
It can't be on sided
If u feel offened by this,then public forum is not ur cup of tea


Yes, I agree I also called you names, and what did I do? I apologized. It's not that hard. In the heat of the moment, we all say things we do not mean, and the nice thing to do is to apologize instead of finding excuses. My apology was sincere too, I actually meant it. Besides, you are not the one who wrote this comment, so why are you trying to defend your friend? Let her deal with it. I already told you I had no issues with you. 😕

Also, just because it's a public forum doesn't mean rude comments should be tolerated. There's such a thing called cyberbullying too. Now, don't jump to conclusions that I'm saying you guys are cyberbullies. I'm not. I'm just making a point that cyberbullying is a problem many people go through nowadays, and it all happens in public forums. So there shouldn't be any excuse for rudeness, either in real life or online.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..



Being Sita's perspective doesn't need to change any of the events. Particularly, it doesn't have to change Ram's story which has been changed greatly. I don't see Sita's POV in this show at all. They claim it's Sita's POV but they changed everything associated with Ram also.

As for the show on Karn, the less said about it the better! It's worse than SKR in the way it's dealing with the story, so no I don't support that show either.



I agree central story remains same but the way characters are written does gets changed
I think it's just the difference in viewing stuffs... since from a female's pov, the Queens ' pain, anguish etc are being discussed...
Like one might view something as a distortion while other sees it as a difference in pov

Our views might not match but I do respect and admire your profound knowledge on Ramayan
Hope to have more healthy convo with u (if u permit) as I feel agreeing or disagreeing is just a part of conversation :)
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Posted: 9 years ago
#53
@aditi Please don't support CVS. they are fooling viewers. it's not about Sita or Ram but publicity. I didn't read that article but i heard Nikhil sinha stated Sita treated as secondary character which isn't true. In Ramayana every characters had their own significance. there are numerous Hanuman followers. it's surprising why didn't they claim that Hanuman treated as guest role. Anyway they started show but problem here is As per story Sita POV on Ram should've been begin with Swayamwar but alas,I didn't see anywhere Sita's pov till now. whenever Sages watching Ram, They feel him as Vishnu incarnation. but I can't understand why they failed to see Lakshmi Devi divinity in Sita. probably CVS misunderstood context of POV meaning. thatswhy, they made scenes like stopped Horse sacrifice made Sita to love Ram. very strange. mentioning 300 versions is just eyewash. I don't know about HP but Movie makers giving royalties to respective authors for adapting their creations. Just because Valmiki shared Ramayana for world, CVS just tampering with its originality.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: aditi97



I agree central story remains same but the way characters are written does gets changed
I think it's just the difference in viewing stuffs... since from a female's pov, the Queens ' pain, anguish etc are being discussed...
Like one might view something as a distortion while other sees it as a difference in pov

Our views might not match but I do respect and admire your profound knowledge on Ramayan
Hope to have more healthy convo with u (if u permit) as I feel agreeing or disagreeing is just a part of conversation :)


I get what you're saying, and I am totally open to having a healthy discussion with you. 👍🏼 I love discussing Ramayan even with people who have different views. I just don't like it when it gets personal like it has in this thread. 😔

The CVs are saying this show is Sita's POV, but to be honest, it hasn't been Sita's POV ever since Sita grew up. They show much more of Ram now, which isn't wrong, but now they're changing the story of Ram also. They completely changed the battles with Mareech and Subahu, and also the battle with Tataka. Why change Ram's story when this is Sita's POV? Why change the main story at all? This show has 5% resemblance to the original epic, and 95% of it is either the CV's fictional imagination or other sources. That's why most people have problems with it.

Also, I don't like how the CVs are incorporating modern day evils (like not educating girl child, parents worrying about daughter's marriage, etc) into Ramayana, whose society was so different from ours, we can't even compare. Sita's POV doesn't have to make the story depressing. Also, at the moment, Sita hasn't met Dashrath's queens, so how can her POV impact their story?
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Posted: 9 years ago
#55

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..


Yes, I agree I also called you names, and what did I do? I apologized. It's not that hard. In the heat of the moment, we all say things we do not mean, and the nice thing to do is to apologize instead of finding excuses. My apology was sincere too, I actually meant it. Besides, you are not the one who wrote this comment, so why are you trying to defend your friend? Let her deal with it. I already told you I had no issues with you. 😕

Also, just because it's a public forum doesn't mean rude comments should be tolerated. There's such a thing called cyberbullying too. Now, don't jump to conclusions that I'm saying you guys are cyberbullies. I'm not. I'm just making a point that cyberbullying is a problem many people go through nowadays, and it all happens in public forums. So there shouldn't be any excuse for rudeness, either in real life or online.


I am defending bcos u said about her to me
And she is my friend and I know her better
if u have talked to her straight she would have replied to u
And I didn't expect an apology from u
But did u apologize for that?
U said it just bcos u were including me in that attacking comment


It's not like u haven't been sarcastic or bashing before
I have seen ur comments
I have faced it myself before
And I have seen u bashing CV's too
(Now don't say I am getting offended,I am stating a fact)
May be it's another heat of the moment
U may refuse it but that's the truth
I don't have screen shots to prove now
what she said is nothing compared to what u have said
See I don't what too dig history
This argument is going nowhere




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Posted: 9 years ago
#56

Originally posted by: iDea-yeS-viruS

@aditi Please don't support CVS. they are fooling viewers. it's not about Sita or Ram but publicity. I didn't read that article but i heard Nikhil sinha stated Sita treated as secondary character which isn't true. In Ramayana every characters had their own significance. there are numerous Hanuman followers. it's surprising why didn't they claim that Hanuman treated as guest role. Anyway they started show but problem here is As per story Sita POV on Ram should've been begin with Swayamwar but alas,I didn't see anywhere Sita's pov till now. whenever Sages watching Ram, They feel him as Vishnu incarnation. but I can't understand why they failed to see Lakshmi Devi divinity in Sita. probably CVS misunderstood context of POV meaning. thatswhy, they made scenes like stopped Horse sacrifice made Sita to love Ram. very strange. mentioning 300 versions is just eyewash. I don't know about HP but Movie makers giving royalties to respective authors for adapting their creations. Just because Valmiki shared Ramayana for world, CVS just tampering with its originality.


Exactly, if they did their research they'd know that Sita would never stop an Ashvamedha yagna horse, because stopping the horse means waging war against that kingdom, no matter the intention.

I also did not appreciate Nikhil Sinha's comments about Sita being a secondary character in Ramayan. Sita was never a secondary character. She was just as important as Ram and Valmiki focused on them both reverently. Without Ram there is no Sita and without Sita there is no Ram. This is very evident in Ramayana and if someone feels Sita was secondary, they haven't read the epic.

Also, previous adaptations of the show haven't ignored Sita (as Nikhil Sinha stated), so I didn't appreciate those comments by the director either. Clearly he hasn't seen previous adaptations, or he'd realize that they showed Sita in the serial just as much as he's doing now. In fact, the 2008 Ramayan showed parallel stories of Ram and Sita since their birth itself. They covered everything from Sita's birth, childhood, adolescence and adulthood. They showed everything this serial has, but without the added kichdi. I don't mean to compare, but I don't know how else to make my point without bring in other shows.

This show isn't Sita's POV. It's just an attempt to show Ramayan through their creative imagination, and they're fooling so many viewers in the process.
Edited by ..RamKiJanaki.. - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#57
Aditi dear,this article is only on VFX
There are enough threads already for story discussion
It's for acknowledging the effort of the VFX team
If u find any plus or minus on VFX discuss it
I know u didn't start it
But I can say this only to u😃
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Posted: 9 years ago
#58

Originally posted by: -Mano-


I am defending bcos u said about her to me
And she is my friend and I know her better
if u have talked to her straight she would have replied to u
And I didn't expect an apology from u
But did u apologize for that?
U said it just bcos u were including me in that attacking comment


It's not like u haven't been sarcastic or bashing before
I have seen ur comments
I have faced it myself before
And I have seen u bashing CV's too
(Now don't say I am getting offended,I am stating a fact)
May be it's another heat of the moment
U may refuse it but that's the truth
I don't have screen shots to prove now
what she said is nothing compared to what u have said
See I don't what too dig history
This argument is going nowhere





If you want to defend your friend, then fine. I don't expect any apology from her, because one has to feel guilty first to apologize. Even you don't think she has written anything wrong, so how can I expect her to apologize? Leave it, this argument is getting nowhere. As for me attacking members, I've not attacked anyone as your friend has. I have no need to attack the members, as my grudge is with the CVs and not with the people here. If you feel I have done so, then I'm sorry. Again, I have no ego to apologize where I've done wrong. If I have hurt anyone, then I truly am sorry. It wasn't intentional and it won't happen again. I'm not an egoistical person and I am prepared to admit where I've done wrong.

As for bashing CVs, yes I will criticize them if I find what they're showing is ridiculous. It's my right as a viewer, particularly when they're tampering with history and religion. So if you're going to start defending the CVs now, go ahead. I am a Ram bhakt first and only then a viewer. I cannot tolerate injustice being done to Siya Ram or Ramayana, so I will continue to criticize the CVs until they improve their storyline. I don't care how much money they're spending on the show. Let it be 100 crores for all I care. They'd better show the story properly or the hard work being put into this show is a waste. In the end, this show will only be known for its graphics and not its storyline, because right now, it's the weakest adaptation ever done on Ramayan in the past 30 years. Don't expect me to apologize for criticizing the CVs, because I am very frustrated with them and my frustration is justified. They have no right to do what they're doing right now.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#59

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..



If you want to defend your friend, then fine. I don't expect any apology from her, because one has to feel guilty first to apologize. Even you don't think she has written anything wrong, so how can I expect her to apologize? Leave it, this argument is getting nowhere. As for me attacking members, I've not attacked anyone as your friend has. I have no need to attack the members, as my grudge is with the CVs and not with the people here. If you feel I have done so, then I'm sorry. Again, I have no ego to apologize where I've done wrong. If I have hurt anyone, then I truly am sorry. It wasn't intentional and it won't happen again. I'm not an egoistical person and I am prepared to admit where I've done wrong.

As for bashing CVs, yes I will criticize them if I find what they're showing is ridiculous. It's my right as a viewer, particularly when they're tampering with history and religion. So if you're going to start defending the CVs now, go ahead. I am a Ram bhakt first and only then a viewer. I cannot tolerate injustice being done to Siya Ram or Ramayana, so I will continue to criticize the CVs until they improve their storyline. I don't care how much money they're spending on the show. Let it be 100 crores for all I care. They'd better show the story properly or the hard work being put into this show is a waste. In the end, this show will only be known for its graphics and not its storyline, because right now, it's the weakest adaptation ever done on Ramayan in the past 30 years. Don't expect me to apologize for criticizing the CVs, because I am very frustrated with them and my frustration is justified. They have no right to do what they're doing right now.


Like " I said" and like "u repeated" it's going nowhere
CV's are humans too
Criticizing is diff from bashing
I or for that case even CV's don't have problem criticizing
That why they have all chat sessions
Orselse they can avoid it
Even u aren't realizing it
Lets agree to diagree
Edited by -Mano- - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#60

Originally posted by: -Mano-


Like " I said" and like "u repeated" it's going nowhere
CV's are humans too
Criticizing is diff from bashing
I or for that case even CV's don't have problem criticizing
That why they have all chat sessions
Orselse they can avoid it
Even u aren't realizing it
Lets agree to diagree


Yeah we'll have to agree to disagree, because you clearly view my posts as bashing whereas I view it as critiquing. It's nothing less than what many other frustrated souls are feeling.

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