Aswamedh the horse sacrifice- Is it right -Ram

shruthiravi thumbnail
12th Anniversary Thumbnail Stunner Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 9 years ago
#1

Today they showed another aspect of Ram. That his compassion was not limited to humans. That was extended to animals also. Once again we saw the conflict in the young man. He is asked to select the best horse for the Aswamedha. And he is bound by duty as a son to select one. But he is conflicted is it right to kill a animal who has travelled so much for your success. For that matter does killing an animal makes us great.

Guru vashsist says killing of the horse is the symbolic killing of the kings ego. And Ram asks isn't there any other way to do it and also save the animal. And Vashist gives Ram another important lesson. Customs and rituals are kept by people to show their identity. If those things are questioned it is like questioning their identity. The young man looks unconvinced. But at the moment bound by rules unable to do anything.

But it raises the valid question around customs and rituals. If you look Ram is not directly going and challenging any custom. He is trying to understand why the custom exists. The root cause. Before finding a way to eliminate it. Even Vashist says he has to understand sacrifice, its meaning before he can think of a work around.

It is the same with us also. We can question the customs/rituals. But before being a rebel we need to understand the cause of that custom. I mean the real cause. And you have to be in a position to generate trust. Only then by addressing the real cause you can eradicate customs/rituals. No amount of fine or rules can help eradicate practices. But only understanding can.

I will give an example. I was on an official trip to Bangalore couple of months back. The taxi driver took of his seat belt after a certain section of the traffic. I asked him why he is doing that. He told now no police, so he don't have to wear seat belt. In the previous area police will be there and they will extract some fine for not wearing seat belt. I asked him about his family. He told wife, 2 kids and his parents. I told him do they expect him everyday at home after work. He said yes. I told him seat belt is actually there to improve his chances of returning home to his loved ones. I told him if his loved ones lost him for a cause which seat belt would have prevented who will they blame. Can their loss be rectified. Can his life be returned. Can his family live happily. I asked him to look at the seat belt as a life jacket for the happiness of his family not as something if not used some money will go. The driver wore the seat belt entire drive. And a week after when I was returning, I saw him near the office gate dropping off another employee. He smiled at me and indicated happily to me that he is wearing seat belt. I felt so happy that day, that I was able to change atleast one person's thought process in the right direction. And you change the customs/rituals only by connecting with people. It's a slow process, but a process that makes lasting impact.

Edited by shruthiravi - 9 years ago

Created

Last reply

Replies

22

Views

2.6k

Users

11

Likes

97

Frequent Posters

-Vishakha- thumbnail
10th Anniversary Thumbnail Explorer Thumbnail
Posted: 9 years ago
#2
Nice post.😊
BTW want to know everyone's opinion about non veg eaters.

Is it not something similar to this.?
Just becoz people eat, many animals get killed.

sherlockthor thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Rocker Thumbnail + 5
Posted: 9 years ago
#3
Ram is right. Any killing whether for sacrifice..ritual..food..is pure and plain cruelty. Animals cannot defend themselves and we humans take complete advantage and torture them..
There is always a way to live cruelty free.!
Arijit007 thumbnail
12th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail Networker 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 9 years ago
#4
i knew that some one would question the non-veg eaters. i also eat non-veg. i know it's cruelty, but it's a food habit, a personal choice.
as for bali in yagna, in scripture it is written that the animal killings in yagna should not be considerd as himsa or violence.
Ramyalaxmi thumbnail
11th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail
Posted: 9 years ago
#5
@shruthi: Todays episode was full of thought provoking concepts. The highlight of all is the Ram's worry about animal sacrifice. Hope Guru vashisth gives an explanation for the same.
There are certain customs/rituals which we follow, has actually different meaning in reality. Its not a good habit to sip the coffee/tea cup while drinking. Its simply for the hygenic matter and its not orthodox culture.
Eating habits is a personal choice and most of it falls under this misunderstanding of tagging them under the roof of customs/rituals. Most of the rituals/customs has a scientific reason behind it.
Nothing can be labelled as wrong just for the fact that we dont know the actual reason for the practice.
Edited by Ramyalaxmi - 9 years ago
sherlockthor thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Rocker Thumbnail + 5
Posted: 9 years ago
#6
Sacrifice is sacrifice and it is wrong. That's why vishwamitra invented the coconut so that human sacrifice be stopped.
A day will come when people realise how wrong our actions are and our choices are destroying everything in our path.
Kindness is the ultimate power.
adi2512 thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail
Posted: 9 years ago
#7

Originally posted by: apoorvaarnav

Sacrifice is sacrifice and it is wrong. That's why vishwamitra invented the coconut so that human sacrifice be stopped.
A day will come when people realise how wrong our actions are and our choices are destroying everything in our path.
Kindness is the ultimate power.


Would like to know more on this.
How and when did it happen ...the story behind same ...😊
Arshics thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 6
Posted: 9 years ago
#8
It's a very tricky one, Shruthi!
You have challenged our minds with a question that has taken the natural turn of veg vs non veg.

Ok, sacrifice of life for any reason is wrong, esp in the name of religion. I am going to keep the personal food choice of veg vs non veg out of this, for a reason.

But let's take sacrifice to the deity - no God, in my understanding will want life to be sacrificed and killed to appease Him or Her.

The creator of life will I am sure like Rama be hurting every time we kill someone in His/Her name

Yes, rituals have a purpose, and were well meaning when they were created, but if we fulfill the underlying purpose, then the ritual itself is dispensable !

Very often the ritual is fulfilled as an empty gesture because people focus on the ritual and not the message behind it.

For example, guru Vashishtha said that the Ashwa is to be sacrificed for it denotes the sacrifice of the ego, but the horse will be killed and the ego of the kings will get only bigger with the success of the Yagya because they are not aware of the real purpose,

A poor creature killed in vain - to appease the vanity of a man

Take Rama, - there is no ego in him, for him there was no gloating, no pride at the war he won with the asuras, his expression throughout the fight yesterday were also not of aggression, but just on fighting well.

He had no regret when his enemies disappeared, his job was to save his people, he did that! He seems to have no anger or ill will.

Rama is already above all ego, or false pride - so to kill the horse as a symbol of sacrifing ego in his case is also futile

So, any which way you look at it, the ritual itself is not meaningful, the underlying purpose is. And if the purpose is met - of not letting success make you arrogant - the ritual can be dispensed with.

And Shruthi, great job done with the cab driver, you are an inspiring lady!
RamKiSeeta thumbnail
17th Anniversary Thumbnail Achiever Thumbnail + 6
Posted: 9 years ago
#9

Originally posted by: Arshics



Ok, sacrifice of life for any reason is wrong, esp in the name of religion. I am going to keep the personal food choice of veg vs non veg out of this, for a reason.


I do agree that sacrifice of any life, human or animal, is wrong, but I'm going to play devil's advocate by asking that if horse sacrifice is wrong for ashvamedha yagna because it takes away an animal's life, then isn't it equally wrong to kill an animal to eat as food? Eating animals is not a necessity. It's simply a desire for some people, because there is plenty of food to be eaten that is not meat to fill one's stomach.

Both killings have a purpose, neither is done as sport, so how can one be right and the other wrong? I usually have this question when my non-vegetarian friends vehemently protest against animal abuse and animal sacrifice but at the same time have no compunction about eating animals. I am not attacking anyone's personal choice. I'm just trying to appease my curiosity.

So why is sacrifice of life so wrong in the name of religion, but right in the name of food?
Arshics thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 6
Posted: 9 years ago
#10

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..


I do agree that sacrifice of any life, human or animal, is wrong, but I'm going to play devil's advocate by asking that if horse sacrifice is wrong for ashvamedha yagna because it takes away an animal's life, then isn't it equally wrong to kill an animal to eat as food? Eating animals is not a necessity. It's simply a desire for some people, because there is plenty of food to be eaten that is not meat to fill one's stomach.

Both killings have a purpose, neither is done as sport, so how can one be right and the other wrong? I usually have this question when my non-vegetarian friends vehemently protest against animal abuse and animal sacrifice but at the same time have no compunction about eating animals. I am not attacking anyone's personal choice. I'm just trying to appease my curiosity.

So why is sacrifice of life so wrong in the name of religion, but right in the name of food?

I am glad you brought this up. When I said that I am not commenting on food habits it was not to protect the sentiments of my non veg friends but for the following

When we talk about not taking life we forget one fundamental fact that plants are living too. And we are killing them all the time.

To eat is way of nature and one life form depends on another for survival. We kill plants we are destroying life to stay alive - that's nature's law

To kill for sport or in the name of God - it's no higher purpose. Rituals are man made and we can easily not dignify or glorify killing in the name of God. No god would want it.

Non vegetarianism is an individual option. No religion glorifies it. Sacrifice on the other hand is sanctity being given to murder of animals by those who claim to be messengers of God.

Related Topics

Top

Stay Connected with IndiaForums!

Be the first to know about the latest news, updates, and exclusive content.

Add to Home Screen!

Install this web app on your iPhone for the best experience. It's easy, just tap and then "Add to Home Screen".