Episode 14: Take Five (1st Dec)

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hi Guys,
There is a lot to think in today's episode.

1) Daughters: Why do they get sidelined so much? Are they lesser to any son? Do they love their parents any less? Or is there any serious flaw? What is it that make our society (read the entire world!) so uncaring and callous towards them? So your 'Vamsh' only get ahead with a son and not a daughter? Are we saying that the parents DNA just gets passed on to son and daughter gets say, a banana's DNA? Why are we even debating over this in 2015? I do have a lot to say in this topic, for I have seen and heard incidents happening around me, to people whom I know that I am outraged.

I am not saying every one discriminate against a daughter, no. I have also seen many families loving their daughter as much as a son. But we cannot deny that there are certain sections in our society do get biased towards a son. Female infanticide is still a serious issue in our country.

Why when a daughter gets married, she suddenly does not belong to the family she was born in and raised in? Why suddenly her parents are strangers to her? Why does she have to lose one family for another? Why can't she gain one more family and belong to both? Is there is restriction on how many families one person can have?

In my husband's family there is a custom to change the name of the bride. So, she has to let go of her entire identity which is built around her name for the first twenty years of her age? I and my hubby took a decision of not following that tradition and I retained my name. But my mother-in-law and so many women in my family were not spared.

Another horrific incident which I learned of few years back and still unable to get it out of my mind. My cousin was working in Mysore and was staying with her two roommates. One of them was in love with a pilot. He was her family friend's son. Both families knew each other for years now, she knew the guy from they were kids. A nice guy, even her family admits that. But they did not want her to marry him, because it was 'Love' marriage. But the real tragedy was not this. The girl had two elder sisters. The first sister had an arranged marriage and she was okay. The second sister was married to some horrible family. She got pregnant 2 times or 3 times (not sure of the number) continuously and every time the pregnancy was forcibly aborted at her 5th month because it was female child. Can you imagine the life risks that mother must have undergone, the trauma she must have felt and her body took so much of abuse! All this in an arranged marriage. And yet the parents refused to learn any lesson and refused to get their youngest daughter married to a family they personally knew to be a good one.

Enough is really enough guys!

2) King vs Father: Can a king scarify his subject to have a son? Is it justified? yes, the kingdom would get a successor? But is it morally right to use your power as a king to ruin your subject's families? Is it not a king's first duty to protect all his kingdom, which includes his subjects too?

3) Love of sisters: One sister asks her others to go to their parents, as that is the right thing to do. But her sisters cannot be reasoned with, for love is beyond reason.

4) A sacrifice: A sacrifice was made so that her father can fulfill his lifelong ambition. A sacrifice was made so that the kingdom can have a successor. In return she was forgotten, never to be talked about. She was the real daughter, but her father was not real.

5) A Mother: A mother is unable to make peace with herself. There is a conflict in her which refuses to clear. Loving a son, and yet unable to move on from the sorrow of losing a daughter, unable to forgive her husband for losing her daughter. And yet, the same mother was okay with so many mothers elsewhere in the kingdom, making the same sacrifice.

Love
Kshithi

PS: Many of you seem to be outraged that what they are showing is wrong. However, since hundreds of years there are many versions of Mahabharata and Ramayana. There is really no 'correct' version or 'right' version of it. All are different interpretation of the same story.

Now coming to Shanta's story. Please do read 'Sita' from Devdutta Patnayak (also 'Jaya' which is a Mahabharata story). He is the subject expertise and also has researched the stories of Mahabharat and Ramayana across India and have gone through many versions of it which are in place since centuries.

Also, instead of just waiting or expecting to read the version we are already familiar with, let us try to understand and enjoy other versions and interpretations also. For me, understanding the hidden meanings and lessons from these Epics, which are in turn stories of mankind is most important rather than expend my energy in thinking what I am seeing is the 'Right' version of it. Thank you for going through this.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Don't take this episode for face value. It is totally and completely FALSE and whoever wrote the script for today's episode should be ashamed of themselves for showing such lies.


I hope the CVs are happy. They have now destroyed Maharaj Dashrath's character beyond redemption, showing him as a man who sacrificed his daughter to have a son, which NEVER HAPPENED. 😡 The adoption of Shanta had nothing to do with having sons. She was given to Romapada, Dashrath's best friend and Dashrath's own brother-in-law, during her infancy. She grew up in her maasi's family, and it was many many years later that she married Rishyashringa and he did the putrakameshti yagna.

Today's entire episode was a total joke. From the very beginning, the CVs glorified Maharaj Janak by degrading Maharaj Dashrath, and now they have gone an ultimate low by showing Dashrath as a daughter-hating man.

Do the CVs know that when Ram got married to Sita, Dashrath shed tears of happiness and said to Kaushalya that God has filled the void of not having any daughters, by giving him four daughters-in-law?

Yes, he wanted an heir for his dynasty, but he had no animosity towards female children.

Shame on you CVs! You have destroyed Ramayan today.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Kshiti, very good take 5 from you, on today's episode
Discrimination against daughters is rampant even today,

And this episode highlighted that very well

But how true is this version of the story, I have my doubts

Of course, the writers can take the creative liberty to interpret it in a different way!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Arshics

Kshiti, very good take 5 from you, on today's episode

Discrimination against daughters is rampant even today,

And this episode highlighted that very well

But how true is this version of the story, I have my doubts

Of course, the writers can take the creative liberty to interpret it in a different way!


That's just the thing. It really hurts me to see people accepting this story, and every other story the CVs have thrown at us so far, at face value, because this story is completely and utterly false!

This practically for one second. Would Lord Vishnu be born to a man who hated women, and considered daughters lower than sons? Whenever Lord Vishnu took an incarnation on Earth, he was ALWAYS born to exemplary parents. God would never be born to parents with low morals, so that itself should make it evident how utterly low the CVs sunk in destroying Dashrath's character.

I am so angry with them right now I cannot describe how I'm feeling. I feel like calling them up and blasting them in the face for today's episode, but I know it's not worth my time because they don't care. They'll show whatever garbage they want to, and expect the viewers to accept it.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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While I agree with every point you said dear in the perspective of daughters vs sons but the makers are going a wrong route. Shanta was not sacrificed like this... Yes she was given for adoption but what they r showing is not true. I can understand liberties but what shall I say, it is being shown as different but is giving me feel of a trp fiction show. Sorry to say so but can't help it.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

Don't take this episode for face value. It is totally and completely FALSE and whoever wrote the script for today's episode should be ashamed of themselves for showing such lies.



I hope the CVs are happy. They have now destroyed Maharaj Dashrath's character beyond redemption, showing him as a man who sacrificed his daughter to have a son, which NEVER HAPPENED. 😡 The adoption of Shanta had nothing to do with having sons. She was given to Romapada, Dashrath's best friend and Dashrath's own brother-in-law, during her infancy. She grew up in her maasi's family, and it was many many years later that she married Rishyashringa and he did the putrakameshti yagna.

Today's entire episode was a total joke. From the very beginning, the CVs glorified Maharaj Janak by degrading Maharaj Dashrath, and now they have gone an ultimate low by showing Dashrath as a daughter-hating man.

Do the CVs know that when Ram got married to Sita, Dashrath shed tears of happiness and said to Kaushalya that God has filled the void of not having any daughters, by giving him four daughters-in-law?

Yes, he wanted an heir for his dynasty, but he had no animosity towards female children.

Shame on you CVs! You have destroyed Ramayan today.

Hi,

I really can understand your outrage.

However, since hundreds of years there are many versions of Mahabharata and Ramayana. There is really no 'correct' version or 'right' version of it. All are different interpretation of the same story.

Now coming to Shanta's story. Please do read 'Sita' from Devdutta Patnayak (also 'Jaya' which is a Mahabharata story). He is the subject expertise and also has researched the stories of Mahabharat and Ramayana across India and have gone through many versions of it which are in place since centuries.

Also, instead of just waiting or expecting to read the version we are already familiar with, let us try to understand and enjoy other versions and interpretations also. For me, understanding the hidden meanings and lessons from these Epics, which are in turn stories of mankind is most important rather than expend my energy in thinking what I am seeing is the 'Right' version of it. I hope you understand this point of view as well. I do appreciate you taking your time and expressing your view.

Love
Kshithi
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Arshics

Kshiti, very good take 5 from you, on today's episode

Discrimination against daughters is rampant even today,

And this episode highlighted that very well

But how true is this version of the story, I have my doubts

Of course, the writers can take the creative liberty to interpret it in a different way!


Thanks a lot Arshi.😊

Please do read my post again. I have edited it.

Love
Kshithi
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Muggle_Diaries

Hi,

I really can understand your outrage.

However, since hundreds of years there are many versions of Mahabharata and Ramayana. There is really no 'correct' version or 'right' version of it. All are different interpretation of the same story.

Now coming to Shanta's story. Please do read 'Sita' from Devdutta Patnayak (also 'Jaya' which is a Mahabharata story). He is the subject expertise and also has researched the stories of Mahabharat and Ramayana across India and have gone through many versions of it which are in place since centuries.

Also, instead of just waiting or expecting to read the version we are already familiar with, let us try to understand and enjoy other versions and interpretations also. For me, understanding the hidden meanings and lessons from these Epics, which are in turn stories of mankind is most important rather than expend my energy in thinking what I am seeing is the 'Right' version of it. I hope you understand this point of view as well. I do appreciate you taking your time and expressing your view.

Love
Kshithi


If we always justify such stories by calling them "different interpretations", then anyone can create anything and pass it off as research. Heck, even I can write my own Ramayan and do whatever I want with the characters, and claim that I did lots of "research" from "other versions".

Sorry, this doesn't sit well with me. There may be many versions, but in the end of the day, the truly authentic ones are the ones written by sages who lived through these epics, who were contemporaries of Ram and Krishna, and who saw everything as it happened. Anything else is a mere interpretation, but it cannot be passed off as authentic.

Different stories are acceptable as long as they don't change the personalities of the characters, but once they make positive characters negative and blame them for a serious crime like selling off their daughter, it's totally unacceptable.
Edited by ..RamKiJanaki.. - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..


If we always justify such stories by calling them "different interpretations", then anyone can create anything and pass it off as research. Heck, even I can write my own Ramayan and do whatever I want with the characters, and claim that I did lots of "research" from "other versions".

Sorry, this doesn't sit well with me. There may be many versions, but in the end of the day, the truly authentic ones are the ones written by sages who lived through these epics, who were contemporaries of Ram and Krishna, and who saw everything as it happened. Anything else is a mere interpretation, but it cannot be passed off as authentic.

Different stories are acceptable as long as they don't change the personalities of the characters, but once they make positive characters negative and blame them for a serious crime like selling off their daughter, it's totally unacceptable.

Hi,

It is okay if you want to think like that. It is after all your opinion. If you feel so strongly about this, please do take this up with the concerned people.

However, the aim of this post has always been taking few valuable lessons from every episode, rather than talking about the actual story itself. Please do contribute to this discussion whenever you can and let us please refrain from talking about the story being shown. I have a different opinion from you and let us just agree to disagree. I hope you understand.

Love
Kshithi
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hi Kshithi...
Got the book ( Sita ) you have mentioned , as soon as I started watching the show for my curiosity killed the cat 😉😆

And Yes, have read about Shanta's story ...the manner it is depicted there.

Per the story, Dasharath was indeed desperate to have sons...per the text - to quote -

'She did not bring Dasharatha peace, for he wanted sons.'

'Dasharatha was filled with despair. Who would he pass on crown to ? how did he face ancestors, in the land of dead., across the river Vaitarani, for they would ask him if he had left behind sons who would help them reborn ?'

- Un quote

And then the whole story of him asking for Romapada's help...and it is Romapada , who decides to sends Shanta near Rishyasringa.

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They have definitely tweaked the story...

All I feel is, they would have just left the story as per narration in the book...there Dasharath does not seem to be such a villian !

Should Not have stressed on Son Vs Daughter issue by tweaking Dasharath and Kausalya so much !


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