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Posted: 6 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: Alohomora_

Wow what a sick mindset! Just because it isn't considered a crime in India doesn't mean marital rape is not rape or is OKAY! What kind of thinking is this? I fail to understand why so much of rape apologism is going on here for the past many days with people praising Rajdeep as some misguided lover and defending marital rape! So much anger over a fictional show and characters? Do you yourself feel this kind of thinking is healthy? This is actually worrisome to me if just for a show rape is going to be defended just to put Nandini down! That's unacceptable on every level



I just find this TM a very misguided person - can't tell if she/he is even right in the head to even speak about such serious issue so nonchalantly!!!!! SMH!!!! Nandini is a fictional character but there are real women who as we read this are being raped in their own home and to trivialise that is shame on those people.

Not agreeing is one thing but to minimise the trauma of rape victims is disgusting and inhumane and I pity those narrow minded idiots.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: evenjleena28



I just find this TM a very misguided person - can't tell if she/he is even right in the head to even speak about such serious issue so nonchalantly!!!!! SMH!!!! Nandini is a fictional character but there are real women who as we read this are being raped in their own home and to trivialise that is shame on those people.

Not agreeing is one thing but to minimise the trauma of rape victims is disgusting and inhumane and I pity those narrow minded idiots.

Tell me about it. I always see the TM trying to reduce the trauma and seriousness associated with rape to the point of now defending marital rape as it's not punished as per Indian constitution ..like what even is that logic! RAPE apologism isn't OKAY neither is it HEALTHY. Countless women suffer from rape every minute even as we speak! Just because Indian constitution apparently refuses to recognize it as a crime doesn't mean that the trauma countless married women face out there with forced sex isn't real! I don't get why at all people defend Rajdeep here. No matter how much we adore the actor the character is ANYTHING but likeable or someone that needs to be defended just for putting Nandini down. Yes she is very wrong in what she has done to her friend but that doesn't mean it nullifies the trauma or the implications of rape on her and her mind. Let us not be this insensitive at least keeping in mind that rape isn't a fictional issue neither the victims. We need to be careful in choosing our words on a public forum when it comes to such HEINOUS crimes at least!
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Posted: 6 years ago
#53
@Alohomora_

Completely agree with you and frankly I don't get why adultery is a crime as well. All first world countries basically allows both men and women to leave their spouses when they want. Frankly speaking cheating is wrong but it happens sadly.

I don't understand this constant hate towards Nandini and this name calling every day - no new content same old oh she is shameless and while the man looks a bit sad and he is alright. I will never understand that. In my mind the one who is committed has more responsibility period!!!!!! Kunal is useless and Nandini is being shamed - such double standards. She has sex once she suddenly she is a vixen, never mind the man who was equally enjoying the same act.

Right now I think this constant hatred towards her is making me sympathetic for her. This TM randomly likes post which are for and against DV so I don't know what is going on there but to trivialise rape any rape is disgusting.

Those who defend Rajdeep let's hope their life partners are much better. Rajdeep should be in prison instead he is out being a d**k that he is.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: evenjleena28

@Alohomora_

Completely agree with you and frankly I don't get why adultery is a crime as well. All first world countries basically allows both men and women to leave their spouses when they want. Frankly speaking cheating is wrong but it happens sadly.

I don't understand this constant hate towards Nandini and this name calling every day - no new content same old oh she is shameless and while the man looks a bit sad and he is alright. I will never understand that. In my mind the one who is committed has more responsibility period!!!!!! Kunal is useless and Nandini is being shamed - such double standards. She has sex once she suddenly she is a vixen, never mind the man who was equally enjoying the same act.

Right now I think this constant hatred towards her is making me sympathetic for her. This TM randomly likes post which are for and against DV so I don't know what is going on there but to trivialise rape any rape is disgusting.

Those who defend Rajdeep let's hope their life partners are much better. Rajdeep should be in prison instead he is out being a d**k that he is.

That is what I don't understand as well. Both Kunal and Nandini cheated. If Nnadini betrayed her friend then Kunal betrayed his wife of 8 years and who he swore to be in love with! How is Kunal any better than Nandini for having cheated on his wife? And why is he being given a free pass and benefit of doubt because he is momentarily guilty because his wife found about his affair? Why did this guilt not come before his wife found out? Where was the guilt when he was swearing on every holy book about his love for Nandini and blocking her way like a Romeo? And more than guilt it looks like he is confused and cannot make up his mind as to who he wants more! How does this guilt bail him from all the things he did and how he played with the emotions of both women? All I see here is repetitive posts on how shameless Nandini is ,how characterless she is etc etc. And also the digs on her with colourful language as to how she was smiling during the act never mind even if Kunal was enjoying equally- he is a MAN afterall..chalta hai.Double standard has always been there here. It is always N who is blamed as if K was some doodh peeta bacha who was phasaoed and seduced by her. She is bashed for crying and being depressed but Kunal who is eternally confused between the ladies and keeps promising both of them to be there for them is always ignored. He had a loving wife,was in a happy marriage. What reason did he have to cheat on Mouli? Anyway I have stopped expecting from this forum Jeena. If educated people on this forum can actually like and encourage rape apologist posts then I don't think there is any point arguing with them even. They feel bad for Mouli when she was cheated on and at the same time praise a wife beater and rapist like Rajdeep for showing "concern" for Mouli and blame his behaviour on the "wrong women" in his life ,can you believe it? 🤢 So every rapist is going to be justified by blaming the women in his life to be the culprit behind his rapist ways. What do you tell such people man? It is like people have forgotten they are fighting for a fictional show but rape and abuse is a reality.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Varuni and Terenaina: You're very childish. Please read up on rape and its effects on the mindset of the victims.

And marital rape takes place mostly in social settings where the woman is married off with little to no interaction with her future husband, and the wife is told that the husband 'has rights on her'. So they cannot leave him just like that.

Excuse me. I had a relative that left her husband to live in a homeless shelter because she didn't have a job or family in the country. All I am saying is leave while you can. I know it's difficult but you can't live life in fear. But let's not compare love marriage to arrange marriage because it's much worst for arrange one. Let's not compare martial rape with the general rape, it's much worst for stranger to rape. You need to get a divorce if you see that husband is raping you. Why you care about society? And why are we so afraid to live alone?
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Alohomora_


That is what I don't understand as well. Both Kunal and Nandini cheated. If Nnadini betrayed her friend then Kunal betrayed his wife of 8 years and who he swore to be in love with! How is Kunal any better than Nandini for having cheated on his wife? And why is he being given a free pass and benefit of doubt because he is momentarily guilty because his wife found about his affair? Why did this guilt not come before his wife found out? Where was the guilt when he was swearing on every holy book about his love for Nandini and blocking her way like a Romeo? And more than guilt it looks like he is confused and cannot make up his mind as to who he wants more! How does this guilt bail him from all the things he did and how he played with the emotions of both women? All I see here is repetitive posts on how shameless Nandini is ,how characterless she is etc etc. And also the digs on her with colourful language as to how she was smiling during the act never mind even if Kunal was enjoying equally- he is a MAN afterall..chalta hai.Double standard has always been there here. It is always N who is blamed as if K was some doodh peeta bacha who was phasaoed and seduced by her. She is bashed for crying and being depressed but Kunal who is eternally confused between the ladies and keeps promising both of them to be there for them is always ignored. He had a loving wife,was in a happy marriage. What reason did he have to cheat on Mouli? Anyway I have stopped expecting from this forum Jeena. If educated people on this forum can actually like and encourage rape apologist posts then I don't think there is any point arguing with them even. They feel bad for Mouli when she was cheated on and at the same time praise a wife beater and rapist like Rajdeep for showing "concern" for Mouli and blame his behaviour on the "wrong women" in his life ,can you believe it?🤢So every rapist is going to be justified by blaming the women in his life to be the culprit behind his rapist ways. What do you tell such people man? It is like people have forgotten they are fighting for a fictional show but rape and abuse is a reality.



Very valid and true points, I agree 100%. The double standard is rampant never mind the pseudo feminist!!!!! I have always said from my very first post here that kunal is the catalyst to this drama. He started it, I don't care who the other woman is, he has the burden of proof. What the point in blaming other woman when your own man is dishonest? If he had loved Mauli and respected her then Nandini would have never been in the picture.

I am a realist, I am married but I don't think it's forever- the issue here is marriage is given too much importance and fair enough certain people consider it sacred. I think more than that respect for your spouse is important. Kunal is a d**k who cheated Mauli with Nandini. Nandini I find clinically depressed and suffering from severe anxiety, her decision making process is faulty but this constant same old name calling is so benign.

I am of the same mindset- no point in any discussion with those, it's draining and negative which I don't want for a fictional show. It's good to see few likeminded people and I interact with them, others are either making stupid posts like this extremely nonsensical TM or same old talks about characterless woman...
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: evenjleena28



Very valid and true points, I agree 100%. The double standard is rampant never mind the pseudo feminist!!!!! I have always said from my very first post here that kunal is the catalyst to this drama. He started it, I don't care who the other woman is, he has the burden of proof. What the point in blaming other woman when your own man is dishonest? If he had loved Mauli and respected her then Nandini would have never been in the picture.

I am a realist, I am married but I don't think it's forever- the issue here is marriage is given too much importance and fair enough certain people consider it sacred. I think more than that respect for your spouse is important. Kunal is a d**k who cheated Mauli with Nandini. Nandini I find clinically depressed and suffering from severe anxiety, her decision making process is faulty but this constant same old name calling is so benign.

I am of the same mindset- no point in any discussion with those, it's draining and negative which I don't want for a fictional show. It's good to see few likeminded people and I interact with them, others are either making stupid posts like this extremely nonsensical TM or same old talks about characterless woman...


Please stop generalizing guys . There are all kinds of posts in the forum and different opinions . Plz dont put everyone in one category . Its.not a man woman thing . Carry on.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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@ bold so the women you are taking about basically they are compromising right? Making a known choice. Choosing something over the other in their senses. which will cause them pain but they are ready to take that pain. How many general rape victims have that choice to make. None.

though i wish that martial rape should be made a crime in india. husband will be careful not to force sex on wifes and term it as love and not use them as property






Do you really think that people who are abused and rape have a choice? That she was with Rajdeep because it was a choice and she choose to get pregnant. Please do not make assumptions on a topic that you no knowledge about. Some abuse women do not even have a choice on what to eat, what to wear, what to talk etc like Nandini. If you see the initial episodes, you will see that he dictated even that and you think that she had a choice on whether she got preganant or no? Please read on this things before commenting and generalizing because frankly you cannot. Every victim is different, and every victim struggle is different, every victim's recovery is different.




See the person above has talked about society, how the society teaches them to give in to their husbands. they do not want to give up their perfect lives and fight. but dont these women have a choice to leave. they do have but they do not do so. Dont they know what happening with them is not right. they choose not to fight right? this is by whatever the poster has written above . i am not talking about women who are held captive by men and forced to stay with them. As you said every case is different

regarding nandani yes she did get pregnant knowingly, or she forgot to use protection i dont remember exactly. But Rajdeep actually dint want a child and she was too scared to tell him she got pregnant and wanted to keep the baby. so she wanted to still stay with rajdeep a rapist a abuser and a man who slept with other women in front of her. When i was seeing nandani in that phase i was like girl are you delusional you cannot work this relationship out
If we are discussing about her Nandani had enough chances to flee rajdeep, she could have tried at least. Kunal had tried to help her initially but nandani was being the ideal wife telling him whatever happens is between me and my husband. Even when she met mauli she told her nothing. She was forced to stay right ? then she could have used the opportunity she got to get out of it
After rajdeep killed the foetus in her womb she woke up and decided to leave him. till then she was thinking of making her relationship work with him. And i have already mentioned how with makhija when he was trying to rape her she hit him and ran for her safety, it was not like she dint have the strength to do that. And that is where i feel the issue is that she tried to make her relationship work with a husband who forced her into sex and abused her. it was her choice to want to make it work where as she did have many choices to leave him too.

nandani wasnt forciblly married off without meeting the guy, she wasnt living in a village or a place where help wasnt available. A city like mumbai has very much options available. she was educated in a good school with mauli till 12th atleast though i dont know after that. i think she was in her graduation days when her rishta with rajdeep happened. the only thing that stopped her from leaving was that she wanted to make the relationship work . she still had hopes from the relation.




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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnnaSloan


Because that's what woman in India have been taught for generations. To compromise. Why do you think many rapes go unreported? What would they do? Do you have any idea how people look at a divorced woman in India? If a woman does not compromise and leaves her husband - she is called 'chodi hui aurat' and that is the sad reality of India. They are ready to take that pain because alas in our country marital rape is not criminalised. If they leave - they are not even in a position to go and report that their husband has raped them - because - why the society believes that this is the husband's right and she is the man's property. So she does not stay because of 'choice' but because she knows that the society will eat her alive with their taunts and they're holier than thou attitude. Many marital rape victims commit suicide because they have nowhere to go or they are the walking dead. Their parents won't accept them back, their in-laws will always support their son and they are MOSTLY not independent (just like Nandini) enough to fight anyone. In this situation they cannot either leave nor can they fight - THAT does not mean they enjoy the rape or are in a better situation than any other rape victim.

And I am sorry to say, but the comparison between marital rape and general rape is not the question here. Rape is rape. It is forced sexual intercourse. It could mean even if the wife is in a happy relationship with her husband but refuses to do it because she does not feel like it - the husband should respect her choice and not force himself on her - A NO is a NO. If your question is only about leaving the spouse - that can very well happen with a 'general' rape victim too - why not just be careful and fight back? Why step out at odd hours to odd locations? It's easier to always tell the girl what to do, but difficult to understand what she goes through a forceful experience.

Again - this is NOT in support of Nandini's actions. She is BAD writing and I am absolutely disgusted at the writers for portraying something as sensitive as 'marital rape' SO lightly and so immaturely.


well exactly what i said right there are organizations these days which provide shelter to many women why cant they choose and live there, they are somewhere living in a mess. why think about society . they are the ones who are choosing one over the other right. Which backward society are we talking about these days divorce is a very common thing.

@ bold you can question & compare general rape victims on why they dont file a case and keep quiet because of society to the women enduring martial rape who keep quiet because of society.
but you cannot compare the way u have. a general rape victim does not compromise because of society and gets raped. she does try her best to get away but is physically overpowered.

there is a difference between someone pulling you physically forcing you and raping you between you staying in a marriage where rape is happening because you are worried what society will say

And regarding general rape victims not coming out in the open and filing a case to get the rapist punished yes i would say they also make a choice and choose society instead of justice for themselves. similarly to how a woman chooses not to get away from a abusive relationship because of society.


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Posted: 6 years ago
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well exactly what i said right there are organizations these days which provide shelter to many women why cant they choose and live there, they are somewhere living in a mess. why think about society . they are the ones who are choosing one over the other right. Which backward society are we talking about these days divorce is a very common thing.

@ bold you can question & compare general rape victims on why they dont file a case and keep quiet because of society to the women enduring martial rape who keep quiet because of society. but you cannot compare the way u have. a general rape victim does not compromise because of society and gets raped. she does try her best to get away but is physically overpowered.

there is a difference between someone pulling you physically forcing you and raping you between you staying in a marriage where rape is happening because you are worried what society will say

And regarding general rape victims not coming out in the open and filing a case to get the rapist punished yes i would say they also make a choice and choose society instead of justice for themselves. similarly to how a woman chooses not to get away from a abusive relationship because of society.



@Red Bold: It's easier said than done. It's not a cakewalk to just get up one day and leave. It took me 1.5 years to leave my abusive marriage and walk out and I accept shamelessly that I did think to take my husband back because I could see how much pain and pressure the society, and relatives put my parents in. I decided against it eventually but these things are not easy as they may seem. Until you are in that situation where people around you are talking in hushed tones - blaming you for this - you really would think its easy to walk out. Divorce is common - but accepting divorcees is not.

@Bold Blue: A marital rape victim is being raped every day. She is already being overpowered day in and day out. Maybe yes, they did not portray it rightly for Nandini - but since we are generalizing - a marital rape victim goes through it every day - is kept locked in the room, tortured, beaten, and what not.

@Black Bold: You are proving my point. At the end of the day, everyone lives in the fear of society. We give too much of importance to this 'society' and we fear it. Rape victims don't come out in open - be it a marital rape or a normal rape - they know they will be the one to be blamed. No matter how much we are against it - it the woman who is blamed in the end. In the end - the woman gives up. They give in to the fear and suffer. Some fight back - I did - but I had my family to support me. I don't know if I did not have anyone - whether I would have. The same case could be with Nandini. She needed Mauli and Kunal to push her and when they did - she did.

In the end, we are both accepting a rape is rape. Why are we comparing it is beyond me. Every individual reacts to the situation differently. Some may fight rape and get out of it or get the rapist punished. Or some (as happens in most cases) may remain quiet and suffer. That does not change the fact they are raped. Like I said somewhere else, a woman in a happy marriage also might not feel like having sex once in a while. But if her husband still forces her even in that one moment after she says a BIG FAT NO - it is still rape. A NO is a NO and that is what defines rape.


Edited by AnnaSloan - 6 years ago

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