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Posted: 14 years ago
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Thanks you all of you for ur wonderful posts. I want to say that I have been never addicted to any forum as I am to this one. Everyone is so wonderful here. I absolutely love all your posts from each and every one of u...

@Laxmi_s the description of a mother.......it can't be better said....just loved it 👏👏
@Armu4eva When I said abt Deepak being among the loved ones i meant the elders. she kept him away from herself but not the elders. As a matter of fact deepak had a good bonding with Dadaji, Badima and even Alok.
As for being to sent to his room I am not sure what her real thoughts were. But i wud like to think that bottom line she didnt want him to know the truth of her life. Children usually are always curious to know bout the facts of their elders. I dont say it is wrong but somethings are better unsaid.
Finally regarding punishing an innocent..... it was not intentional. Raising deepak was never out of compulsion . It was her sense of responsibily towards him. and her being indifferent even though it might have hurt Deepak a lot that was due to the circumstances. She loved him but didnt believe it herself...As rightly pointed out by badima this incident was like a Blessing in Disguise...for Radha bua. She herself never knew how much she loved her son until today when his life was at stake And when the truth was out she accepted him wholeheartedly.....as nothin mattered to her more than her own child's life.
But I wud like to add that no one can ever understand the true pain of a rape victim other than those unfortunate women who have faced these harsh realities. A woman can forgive any crime but if someone violates her integrity, destroys her mere existence ,its just immosiblie for her to forgive him.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: freelancer

@Armu4eva When I said abt Deepak being among the loved ones i meant the elders. she kept him away from herself but not the elders. As a matter of fact deepak had a good bonding with Dadaji, Badima and even Alok.
As for being to sent to his room I am not sure what her real thoughts were. But i wud like to think that bottom line she didnt want him to know the truth of her life. Children usually are always curious to know bout the facts of their elders. I dont say it is wrong but somethings are better unsaid.
Finally regarding punishing an innocent..... it was not intentional. Raising deepak was never out of compulsion . It was her sense of responsibily towards him. and her being indifferent even though it might have hurt Deepak a lot that was due to the circumstances. She loved him but didnt believe it herself...As rightly pointed out by badima this incident was like a Blessing in Disguise...for Radha bua. She herself never knew how much she loved her son until today when his life was at stake And when the truth was out she accepted him wholeheartedly.....as nothin mattered to her more than her own child's life.
But I wud like to add that no one can ever understand the true pain of a rape victim other than those unfortunate women who have faced these harsh realities. A woman can forgive any crime but if someone violates her integrity, destroys her mere existence ,its just immosiblie for her to forgive him.

Dear....above all things...there is no question of ever questioning or dissolving the enormity and heinousness of th crime committed against RB......she and she alone...and victims like her..know the absolute hell they have experienced...! N i for one...will and shall always stand by her in this regard..!!
Having said that...tell me...is it NATURAL JUSTICE to punish one for the crime committed by another??? The answer however insensitive it may sound is NO...!! If ur wronged..it doesnt minimise ur pain by WRONGing another....
RB has Wronged Deepak..in (1) giving birth to him..unwillingly (2) having given birth turn a cold shoulder
When u say she has let him be with the elders..its again incorrect..if u clearly recollect RB has on several occassions told Dadaji that why do u keep calling him..i dont wish to see him... let him stay at his mamas place...😊 During the carrom board incident...it was the elders of the family aka Dadaji..Alok...who were playing..n yet RB was SMUG on seeing Deepak with them..!!
When i say.. Deepak has been wronged with.. its not questioning RBs pain..or hurt...its only pointing that Tho wat was done to her...was absolutely unpardonable... what she did is not worth APPROVING .either!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Tanu dear .😃... in RB's case.... her mental block was the hatred she had for the rapist.... hence she developed a cold attitude towards deepak as he resembled him..... but she herself was not aware of the mother in her.... and her injustice towards her son throughout all this phase....this disliking towards Deepak for her was mostly induced by her inner hatred which ruled her persona for quite a long time...... it is the sudden development in her when she is not told about Deepak's whereabouts or even his suicide attempt that she realises the mother in her..... so whatever injustice happened by her for her son was unintentional.... when a human makes a mistake.... he def. does not do it intentionally as then it wud not be termed a mistake....it is a crime or a sin.... here it was more of a unintentional mistake than a crime or a sin.... if RB had hated him and not gone to meet him even after the suicide attempt thinking her trauma is much bigger than this issue then it wud have amount to a sin by a mother...... yes i agree deepak cannot be given those childhood days back which was a grave mistake done by RB...but atleast this realisation dawned on her now that a mother always wins over a woman....
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: laxmi_s

Tanu dear .😃... in RB's case.... her mental block was the hatred she had for the rapist.... hence she developed a cold attitude towards deepak as he resembled him..... but she herself was not aware of the mother in her.... and her injustice towards her son throughout all this phase....this disliking towards Deepak for her was mostly induced by her inner hatred which ruled her persona for quite a long time...... it is the sudden development in her when she is not told about Deepak's whereabouts or even his suicide attempt that she realises the mother in her..... so whatever injustice happened by her for her son was unintentional.... when a human makes a mistake.... he def. does not do it intentionally as then it wud not be termed a mistake....it is a crime or a sin.... here it was more of a unintentional mistake than a crime or a sin.... if RB had hated him and not gone to meet him even after the suicide attempt thinking her trauma is much bigger than this issue then it wud have amount to a sin by a mother...... yes i agree deepak cannot be given those childhood days back which was a grave mistake done by RB...but atleast this realisation dawned on her now that a mother always wins over a woman....

Dear.....great explanation... but i m not saying RB has committed any sin...i m only saying..that wat she has done is also not right..!! I dont think any mother...who is even 0.1% a mother..in the truest sense...wuld not go to see her child..who is hurt...or who attempted to end his life... !! That RB gave brith to the child who is THE PROOF of the horrendous crime committed on her...shows it that she does not think that wat happened to her..wuld justify in killing off or hurting her child..!! So no question of any sin here..!!
Now coming to the point u said abt 'unintentional' behaviour......i disagree....she is very well aware of th fact that her actions wuld hurt Deepak...but at that point the amount of Deepaks hurt as compared to her own pain...was less and hence she did not delve into the issue.!! She knew Deepak exists..she provided for his basic needs..!! Several times we hv seen Dadaji n BM tell her..that wat u doing is not right..as it hurts Deepak..he is UR SON....he deserves ur love..n RB has countered saying... i KNOW ...but i cant bear to look in his eyes... so the question of mental block doesnt exist..!!😊
Anyways.. m ending the discussion here😉...Sins against RB cannot n i repeat cannot wash away her insensitive treatment of her son..the same son SHE CHOSE to give birth...out of the very same heinous act...committed against her..!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Just read evrybody's POV ...and i think evryone's right in their place RB is sure a woman and with what she went thru ...she took it out on deepak in a way ...while she punished him somewhere she punished herself as well ...but where she was wrong was if she decided to bring the child in this world ...if she was bold or mahaan enuf to rise above the normal practice then she shud have lived her decision well ....and not be cold towards deepak ...cause deepak never said bring me into this world and then do as u please it was her decision and if she took she shud have lived it .....its like she punished deepak for a decision she took and a mistake some one else made ...though she too got hurt but the poor guy was clueless right thru ....
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@pooja...but pooja...din RB once ask dadaji and badi maa why they saved her..they cud have left her and the child die then..so does that mean she did try to kill herself and in the process the child..😕
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shwets1502

@pooja...but pooja...din RB once ask dadaji and badi maa why they saved her..they cud have left her and the child die then..so does that mean she did try to kill herself and in the process the child..😕

Yes shwets.... me too gave it a thot actually what she meant by that..... they did not show anything related to that right....?
I loved Pooja's post and Tanu's defence for Deepak.... Tanu u r absolutely right that injustice done to Deepak cannot be justified in any way.... me too agree....but somewhere i do feel RB's behaviour was not intentional...it was to quench her desire for the hatred she had for Deepak's father... I am not trying to defend RB's mistake...😆😆.(Tanu.... badakna math.😉..) what she did to Deepak def. can never be forgiven or forgotten.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Shwets- If that was the case then she shud be cold towards the people who saved her and deepak and not deepak ......just as she has the right to live and experience the warmth of the family despite what happened with her so does deepak ......if no one deserted her then why shud she desert deepak
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Armu4eva

At the outset..wanted to say that its indeed a great post...with some equally great responses..!! Luvd reading everyones POV...!!

U are totally right when u say that a 'mother is also a woman' and indeed its many times that as a child we overlook this aspect..!! That we ought to take a step back and think about her feelings and not keep on doing as we please in case it hurts her ..just coz we know that at the end of the day.. a 'mother is a mother' who wuld love and support her child unconditionally.
While as u said..RB has nurtured Deepak ...the important question is whether it was out of choice or compulsion. If it was out of choice then her revulsion to him and continuous indifference have definitely pained Deepak in more ways than one. When u say that She kept him among the people who love him.....i think its Factually incorrect. Radha kept Deepak at arms length always and tried to keep him away from several members of the Kashyap family ..remember how Deepak had to stay, eat and sleep in HIS ROOM whenever he dropped by at the kashyap parivar....how him laufing and njoying wit the family wuld displease her?? At the end of the day RB bringing up Deepak even if out of her own choice...appears to be a compelled decision...!!
RBs feelings...her hurt ...her pain....and her revulsion has no parallels and i have the greatest of respect for the same....but punishing an innocent person for someone elses deeds also deserves to be disapproved.
Finally hats off to the CVs for dealing this sensitive subject so well..!!



You spoke my mind Tanu!

Excellent post!

My thoughts -

Deepak's question is also valid - why DID RB give birth to him if she couldn't even bear to look at him? Deepak's entire innocence and childhood was taken away from him. I am certainly not a judge, and neither do I want to undermine the horrible crime committed against Radha - but it is not sufficient to give birth to a child and leave him to thrive on his own.

A child needs love, protection, security and the feeling of being wanted. A child needs to be comforted when he/she is scared, to be led when he/she is confused, to be reprimanded when he/she has done the wrong deed. A mother is selfless. A mother lives ONLY for her child. A child is a part of a mother's soul. As a mother, you stop thinking about your pain, frustrations, anger and only think about your child's well-being. THAT is why in Hindu mythology, Lord Krishna's foster parents Yashodha and Nanda are more revered than his birth parents. Because they gave up their child so he could live. Because they gave up their sleep so their Nandalal could sleep. Because they gave a part of their soul to nurture Lord Krishna. A mother's debt can never be repaid - simply because she gives brings a noble soul into this world. But is that enough?

Is it enough to give birth to a child and then make provisions for him to thrive? Money can buy amenities, but not love. No matter what happened to RB, Deepak certainly didn't deserve the constant guilt of being unwanted, the constant feeling of being unloved, and the constant feeling of being undeserved! It would've have been far better then had she given him up for adoption. At least he would have a chance of a better life.

My two cents - A mother is just an extension of her child!
Edited by LadyMcbeth - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: rdfan

@Shwets- If that was the case then she shud be cold towards the people who saved her and deepak and not deepak ......just as she has the right to live and experience the warmth of the family despite what happened with her so does deepak ......if no one deserted her then why shud she desert deepak


very valid point pooja...😊

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