Crisp Bytes SC - 26th Aug 13 - Page 4

Originally posted by: *Reemz*

^She wouldn't give kasam because she doesn't actually want him to leave :)

Originally posted by: *Reemz*

Oh sorry I thought you said she should give him kasam to leave. Ignore me :P

Originally posted by: IdiotViewer

But that is the thing, Veera. This does not qualify, as "self-discovery" (for me) anymore. The current that we are witnessing is no "road of trials"... Rather we see the decks stacked so gleefully against Saras... Almost relish in discrediting his practical intelligence, even. This is a man shackled by two binds, one unthinking (Kumud) and the other, unwarranted (kasam on Saraswati)... If this be an intitiation, then it is an initiation by blood (literally)... These are no steps Saras is taking but a dark abyss of humiliation, degradation and contempt he is willfully falling into. Kumud needs to unshackle him, ASAP. Tomorrow, if she asks him to go, she should lift that kasam. Especially with that obscene imposition, I am barely tolerating Kumud's locus standi. A pair of egyptians splashing blisfully in deNile, her and SD are

Originally posted by: veera25

According to the Circle Diagram of "A Hero With A Thousand Faces" I had to ruthlessly study a few years ago in one of my literature classes, I (based upon your very far superior interpretation Ivy Ji,) I think Saras is about here:

6. TESTS, ALLIES AND ENEMIES. The hero is tested and sorts out allegiances in the Special World.

If this the case, then I'm guessing Saras has to be shackled and torn so much more than he already is... You're absolutely right. On one hand, he has his kasam to Maa, and on the other hand, he has his kasam to Kumud... he is thoroughly trapped within the shackles of these two women, and perhaps he has to go through so much more to get out... 😕

So this really is a true test of his own strength... Omitting everything besides his own loss and gain, it will be determined, through all these trials, what he will accomplish and how strong he will come out of his trials...

So, despite Kumud asking him to leave and all, it's inevitable he wouldn't not only because this is his story, but because he has to come out of this abyss of humiliation and misery not only alive, but alive and well.

I also dearly hope Kumud lifts the kasam ASAP, Ivy ji... because even though Saras has his share of trials, this kasam makes nothing easier

About step 6 in the Hero's Journey --- the story has gotten so complicated that it's unclear who Saras' allies really are... I guess it really depends on the dynamics of each situation he falls under... because each ally he's had has also become his worst enemy in one way or another... WOW 😲

Originally posted by: IdiotViewer

Ah... A kindred literature spirit, I nearly forgot 😳 But the chief 'grouse'... Yours and mine self-same... The nature of 'tests' witnessed... And what 'allegiance' when his whole existence is but smoke and mirrors... Saraswatichandra is a chimera, while Navinchandra a facade... You put one in front of the mirror and you see another... Saras is first and foremost his own worst enemy, Veera Ji

Pramad hitting him was not a line erased but one brutally crossed. I'm hoping against hope that what we had to witness today is in service of a greater design and just not another one in a long line of inhumane behaviours he tolerates, in search of redemption somewhere (Kumud).

Originally posted by: Arshics

Just read the makhan anaylsis on previous CB.

Here's what I feel.

There is no tradition of makhan khilana to husband, and that is not what Saubhagya Devis point was.

I think it was about accepting Pramaad as the one in her life.

Being the Rukmini to Pramaad's Kanha,

Radha was often the jealous possessive lover, resenting even the murali that kanha plyaed

Rukmini on the other hand was above all this.

She as his wife, was confident of her position and was accepting of Krishna and the multiple

women in his life, and was respected and admired, she was an able queen to the Lord Krishna

where as Radha was his bachpan ka pyar


Kalika is being every inch the jealous radha, and Mrs BD wants Kumud to be the Rukmini


Yesterday she talked about when kalika first went to Pramaad's room- her choice of words was very suggestive, as if she knew exactly how kalika had soothed pramaad.


Little does she know that its the struggle -

Kumuds wants Pramaad to be her Krishna, and she wants to be his Rukmini

That is possible only if pramaad stops drinking, Kumud is clear about that

Right now, for her Kanha is Saras and she is more like the Meera, married to one yet pining for Kanha

That was what the epr was about

The talaash of the real Krishna!!!

Saras wants to guide Pramaad to the right path, and he was driving the chariot, like saarthi- dressed in blue, so many clues of Saras being Krishna

Pramaad is also searching for the truth, focused on machli aankh - saras kaun hai?

Originally posted by: veera25

It's perhaps the only thing I do relatively well in, besides philosophy, human sciences, history and all together nonsense 😆

Very true yet again, Ivy Ji. What is Saras' existence right now is also a topic that neither crosses the boundary of black, nor white... He is entirely areas, shades, and shadows of hazy grey, neither here nor there... For his old persona as Saraswatichandra is so intermingled with his new self, Navinchandra, it's so utterly complicated to see who is who at times... because although the passion and brutal honesty of Saras remain within Navin, the Saraswatichandra of the previous act (who had not had to go through a second inner cave at that time... he was only grieving his mother's loss whilst his magical "ishq" with Kumud) now fails to exist... It is only a Saras/Navin grieving two losses we see today.

So naturally, the fluidity of this dual character's discussion follows your claim. He is indeed, first and foremost his own worst enemy, Ivy Ji, another right!

I too hope so, Ivy Ji. More tolerance of humiliation is albeit very chivalrous of Saras (after all, he's being held back by a kasam) but one thing it is not is hero-like. The previous kick of the long-lost Saras, in as you said so beautifully, smoky haze and mirrors needs to return pronto. He is very much a shadow of his past now as he was at the beginning of the show, and I hope some sort of light kicks into him so he returns to at least some degree of his calculated, rational self.

Originally posted by: IdiotViewer

"Nonsense" is often the greatest USP, Veera Ji... Don't lose it 😉

Two questions at this point, Veera ji: Would anyone stand up for Saras? And can anyone stand up for Navinchandra? There is no basis for BD family to accept him so wholeheartedly, it does not ring true but forced... Almost as if Papa Dhan was/is overcompensating for Pramad

In fact Veera, today we all condone this kasam (code he lives by) as noble, selfless, and a true measure of the man, but if the 'crude' essence of the 'trials' does not evolve... There may very well come a time, when we will be compelled to think the kasam's foisted upon has essentially 'emasculated' him True, it is not hero like, because his 'trials' do his 'journey' a great disservice. There needs to be some balance, and perspective. Saras cannot be reduced. Not without hope.

Originally posted by: veera25

I have to admit... it's the most fun 😉

I was always thinking the same thing, Ivy ji. Pramad does have a point when he says Navin makes up for his pathetic self... I reckon the second Pramad sudhaaro-fyed, Navinchandra would have little to no basis left in the BD household... Which is perhaps why I feel so infuriated with his current handling... And this brings me to my bolded analysis 😆

Indeed, that's exactly how I feel, and perhaps many here do too... So first of all, thank you for putting what I tried to say so many times and failed into clean cut words 👏 👏 👏 absolutely commendable 👏 👏 👏

Because Saras/Navin utterly do have perhaps nobody to back them up when necessary (any self-defence mechanism is bound by a kasam, for goodness sakes!) I find it completely infuriating that he's being reduced down to "emasculated" as you wonderfully described. The balance is indeed lacking greatly, and I really hope the CVs manipulate the track to bring back a balance... So the hero's "journey" is actually made epic. 😊