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Posted: 12 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: happychappy


Oh no, Shana...
BD already made the comment that "normally" such a self-endangering rescuer would only be someone who loved Kumud "jaan se zyaada", and he thought Naveen is so noble to have done that for a total stranger... Second time around, even BD's tubelight may start flashing like those pilot lights on his escort cars! 😆



chappy ...jab pyaar kiya to darna kya...pyaar kiya koi chori nahi ki ...yun chhup chhup kar kumud ki siskiyaan sonana kyun... as Sid said ...Saras is Kumud's superman ...and in Dukh baa's word Kumud's sachha Jeevan Sathi ...

...this is new age version of saraswatichandra ...is not what that slb said and star plus promotes...nayi soch...then why should saras see his love suffering ...why ???
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Posted: 12 years ago
#22
Want to see saras give a proper talk pramad
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Posted: 12 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: P020167

Yes Arshi, Lots of Pardhas and terrible dressing sense and make up for both Kumud and Kusum.

Todays highlights were:

Old Kumud talking to new Kumud. Saras all set to hit the nail.

Kumud: I don't even feel bad for you today. Right from sarees to makeup to crying n crying'.not much scope. Oh, I so miss our old Kumud!

Saras: Loved you today'but why you are hurting yourself. Galtie ka javab galtie nahie hota ha. If you keep hurting yourself, how will you win this battle? You have to be strong not mentally but physically too. Your face off with Pramad and Kalika was super good. What a killer looks you gave to Kalika. Helping villager reminded the scene when you were mad at Kumud and ploughed wheels in that field. History is repeating but in different form and shape. Excellent question you asked today, why is your DIL with veil?

BD and family: preach before you teach. It is so sad to see how parents want DIL to fix their son. They can't fulfill their responsibilities'I know I know'we chatted all about this parenting issue. Shame on you, such parents!!

Kusum-sunny, hope to see you team up soon. Kusum, please fix your makeup'you looked horrible in that eye brows and eye liner.

Overall: 7/10, skip it!


Loved your acid post P02, skip it epi it was, with some redeeming scenes - all involving Saras

Every thing in BD house is about keeping an outward show, without any substance. Their own family is fragmented, but they have managed to keep it under purdah, not many outside seem to have heard of their sharabi son.

Saras was of course a man on a mission, but he has taken panga with Kalika, and so Pramaad kalika will become his active dushmans in the house

Kumud's self convo - I don't know, left something wanting
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Posted: 12 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: hotdogg

arshi...

on the dot as usual...perfect song reflecting the sentiment for the epi...

1) And well we are off the treadmill and have boarded the train which is leaving the station for the next leg of the journey. Finally!!

I actually went back and referred Ivy's post in the last CB...it was so prescient...
Take a bow Ivy! Most of the below flows from the understanding of your last post. 👏

2) Kumud has regressed in a submissive Beta state and her instinct is to remain in that because:
- she has no control in the new environment and everything has slipped away.
- she's at the total mercy of every-one and everything in this new world.
- she's broken because her true love deserted her. So why even bother to live let alone fight.
- she's like a zombie ...a living dead.
- the trauma of this fall into the abyss has almost entirely erased her old identity

But even in this abyss she's still fighting.

The paradoxial problem though is that the ONLY REMAINING vestige of her old identity ... of the old kumud she knew she used to be ...in her present environment ...is her marriage to Pramad... Take this out and poof! ...there is no old kumud...The End.

Consequently, chained into a cage, deep down in the abyss...she is holding on to this shred of her old identity...and defending it to the extreme...

The moment she even admits that there is something wrong about the whole personal relationship with Pramad and / or her marriage...its all over for her..she won't exist as the kumud she knew she used to be...

So the irony is that a previously strong kumud has become a subservient kumud in order for the strong kumud to survive!

Loved the depiction of this irony in the double role scene!!

3) Saras is now bathed in the light of enlightenment (Finally!!!).
- He's realized that his need for an apology is too trivial a need. There are significantly huge stakes in play now.
- The past cannot be changed and in the present the kumud he loved and still loves is all but lost.
- Even kumud does not realize how far gone she is.
- If he does not intervene there will be no kumud that he loved in the future.
- Therefore to ATONE for his mistake, the LEAST he can do is unshackle kumud and bring her back from her abyss.
- He will have to push the envelope.
- So he's now an Alpha because he now has a purpose.

4) And what an EXACT role reversal...
- first saras did not know the why, what, how, when he was broken...and now kumud is the same.
- saras fought tooth and nail to remain in his abyss...and now kumud is doing the same.
- earlier kumud was aggressive and pushing saras up through the steps of the ladder out of the abyss BUT which had the potential to create far more irreversible damage...steps which often bordered on being utterly reckless...and now saras has started on that path!
- when kumud was pushing saras and saras was pushing back he still followed kumud anyway because of Mr. Ehsaas which he could not define at that time ...but which caused an implicit faith in kumud...I am sure we will see this same effect when kumud starts coming up..e.g. After all this the fabulously powerful 'Tumhe Meri Kasam' ...Mr. Ehsaas is still around though now kumud can't define it under the new circumstances.
- kumud cared a damn what others thought, what is right, samaj kya kahega etc. etc...saras is doing the same..
- kumud BROKE all the rules / asks / requests SET by saras when she single-handedly went to war for his soul...now saras is doing the same...

So I don't think it was thanda at all...in fact red hot for me as the pieces came together...

😊

Edit:
@smrth-
your question on locus standi of saras hopefully answered today.
Believe its a combo of above points and an emotion / rationale level higher than marriage, ex-lover, current lover etc. >>>> Duty.


Superb hotdogg, and puts today's episode in perspective and helps to see why Kumud is so desperate to preserve her dismal situation as is, and why Saras is so reckless.

In fact his recklessness was standing out - it started with physically hurting himself, which I could understand, as he has done it earlier.

His persistence, yes he has done it earlier, in RN haveli, following Kumud around

But the risk of exposing his and Kumud's relationship - it was as if Kumud has given him one kasam,

But he has taken another Kasam also of - bringing back her fighting spirit

What I also liked was that the CVs are going about abuse thing in a right way, and step 1 of fighting abuse is that never keep quiet about it

Empower the victim to speak out against it - that is what mission Saras is all about - get back Kumud's fighting spirit and get her to speak out and not keep it under wraps.

Thanks for making sense of the epi, and thanks to Ivy too, since she laid the foundation yesterday for this post!

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Posted: 12 years ago
#25

Originally posted by: arshicritic



Loved your acid post P02, skip it epi it was, with some redeeming scenes - all involving Saras

Every thing in BD house is about keeping an outward show, without any substance. Their own family is fragmented, but they have managed to keep it under purdah, not many outside seem to have heard of their sharabi son.

Saras was of course a man on a mission, but he has taken panga with Kalika, and so Pramaad kalika will become his active dushmans in the house

Kumud's self convo - I don't know, left something wanting


BD family has no substance and I fact has hardly any role. Kumud is dead body and something big needs to happen that will shake her, same lik Saras. Yes mirror convo should have been little more shaken up...I think CVS are saving it for future.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#26

Originally posted by: arshicritic

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But the risk of exposing his and Kumud's relationship - it was as if Kumud has given him one kasam,

But he has taken another Kasam also of - bringing back her fighting spirit

What I also liked was that the CVs are going about abuse thing in a right way, and step 1 of fighting abuse is that never keep quiet about it

Empower the victim to speak out against it - that is what mission Saras is all about - get back Kumud's fighting spirit and get her to speak out and not keep it under wraps.
...


Yes, that's a great message from yesterday.. Hope it does good somewhere for someone...😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
#27

Originally posted by: hotdogg



Edit:
@smrth-
your question on locus standi of saras hopefully answered today.
Believe its a combo of above points and an emotion / rationale level higher than marriage, ex-lover, current lover etc. >>>> Duty.

In last CB, had written about this 'enlightenment'.😆
Saras is right in a way. Right now his priority is stopping physical abuse. He simply can not permit Kumud facing such humiliation day in night out. Despite of Kumud herself; whether she is his or not, she is tackling on her own or not and whether he has any locus standi. He must stop it proactively if she is not cooperating...
So rationale- yes. Buf 'locus standi'?- not...Combo of 'Duty' based on rationale of emotions and above all you mentioned so well, plus, humane empathy if nothing else.
@ Saras enlightenment, he has not yet understood the core problem that is corroding or rendering her 'inert'.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#28

Originally posted by: smrth

In last CB, had written about this 'enlightenment'.😆
Saras is right in a way. Right now his priority is stopping physical abuse. He simply can not permit Kumud facing such humiliation day in night out. Despite of Kumud herself; whether she is his or not, she is tackling on her own or not and whether he has any locus standi. He must stop it proactively if she is not cooperating...
So rationale- yes. Buf 'locus standi'?- not...Combo of 'Duty' based on rationale of emotions and above all you mentioned so well, plus, humane empathy if nothing else.
@ Saras enlightenment, he has not yet understood the core problem that is corroding or rendering her 'inert'.

Smrth, I agree, @green is a good enough locus standi. He is also the only person who knows about the abuse, as all else in BD household burying their heads in sand, a family of ostriches!

@red, I need enlightenment as well, what is the core problem here that Saras hasnt yet figured out?
Please help...😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
#29
Arshi, your "beautifully broken lines" get another one of my most highest compliments today - they outclassed the epi in every damn way! Ergo, to Arshi, for this CB, for making at least one part of my SC experience as delightful as always *standing-frickin'-ovation* 👏 Loved the "pardah theory" esp... And the song, Perfect!!! ⭐️ (Why did I not think of that?! 😉)

As per personal rule, I watched epi twice, and those forty minutes of my life would've been utterly wasted had it not been for Gautam Rode. So GR... *standing-frickin'-ovation* 👏

Today's episode as a whole did not work for me... Esp not after what all I was anticipating yesterday... The Saras-Kumud scenes, it was obvious that they were shot seperately... GR and JW didn't really play off each other today, and so that enjoyment was quartered. A pity really, because Saras issuing challenges and winning 'em, esp the "after sunset" ones, is another core tenet of their equation brought forward in this new phase of their love and I really wanted to see how it would be adapted. But looked to me as though both S and K were speaking to thin air so I felt a little cheated, esp when I watched Saras-Kalika interaction and realised uncomfortably that it exhibited more charge than the Saras-Kumud convo So yeah, make that more than a little cheated. Ergo, no essay today... Just a few bullet points to underscore some on-going developments:

Bullet Point One:

A shift from the existential to the visceral for Saras: In the quest to issue the Mother of all Mea Culpa's, Saras was all about the soul. Of reaching out to the "mann ke dhaage" that still bind... And of pacifying K, on the inside, so that he could himself be pacified, inside. But today, was all about Saras and the visceral, a turf I had typically designated Kumud's till yesterday. Not only does he welcome the pain, but in fact goes actively seeking for new ways to aggravate the visceral hurt. Superman Saras right now has both his hands firmly in the Kryptonite jar and at the place that he is in, he would rather wish he had three hands so that his pain could be magnified further. He wants to burn, to suffer, to get tortured, because Kumud is burning, is suffering and is being tortured. And since outwardly she is intent on showing no signs of it, Saras is determined to overcompensate for her lack - not only feeling his pain, but feeling hers as well. And how? By hurting. Hurting. And hurting. Not only inside. But crucially, on the outside too. And caring less for sutures. If Kumud bleeds, so will Saras. As simple as that. Soulmates... now both connected on the existential and the visceral levels.

Bullet Point Two:

Saras' inability to stay in the existential, even temporarily: The Saraswatichandra cannot even sit still and meditate now... It is as though someone has lit a fire under him! There's a major contrast being depicted, Kumud is shown as receeding into her mind (having conversations with Self) while Saras is emerging from his. And is unable, unwilling, damned if he will stay there. Not when the time spent mediating can be better spent bringing K's plight to light. Kumud has taken shelter in his sanctuary and Saras is standing on the frontlines for her now. Even his thoughts are purely focused on action. He is pro-active, quick-thinking and utterly reckless in his disregard for all (including himself). Kumud is all that matters now. Especially because for Kumud, Kumud does not seem to matter at all now.

Bullet Point Three:

Saras may be set on matching Kumud's visceral pain on every damn level, but he has still not lost sight of the practicalities of K's appalling situation: Kumud, whether he likes it or not, is a battered wife, a victim of domestic abuse... So Saras' mission "Alpha Kumud", is really two pronged, one is bring Alpha Kumud back because that is the girl he loves, and the second, is actually, empowering a battered wife to speak out against abuse via issuing her challenges, via giving her in-laws not-so-subtle jolts at the double standards prevalent in their household. By backing Kumud up against the wall, literally, in the sheer hope, that she will show some sign of life, of fight. Forget slowly breathing life back into her, this Saras will very lovingly give Kumud a metaphorical electrocution, just to get Alpha 1.0 back: the Ratnagiri foremost graduate who once unapologetically blazed her own path. And not the Beta 2.0 who has regressed further into her deep, dark hell... A hell that she is so intent on adorning. And one that Saras is ice-cold set on destroying. Parda-faash, indeed.

Special kudo's to CV's for sending out positive social message. Speak out against abuse 👏

Bullet Point Four:

However, Kumud is not entirely a gone case: Her lying about Pramad to Kusum, to her family... Her meekly following the custom MIL has previously set for Pramad. Her tying Saras' hands when it comes to Pramad is all because of one thing really... Because "Pramad" she HAS to hold on to. And holding on to Pramad, to her sham marriage has become a basic survival mechanism for Kumud. See, Kumudsundari was always all about choices. And Pramad, her marriage represents her "choice", in fact, the last "active choice" Kumudsundari ever made. A choice that made her feel empowered at that time, choosing to disregard her broken heart to save her family's izzat. Kumudsundari Desai consciously did that, with "family pride" and Mrs. Dharmadhikari will hold onto that choice, because if her marriage fails, if she lets herself walk away from Pramad... That will mean that her last active choice was wrong. That her epic sacrifice was all for naught. She will not let her family down and she will not let herself down. There is nothing "ego" about this one, just an imperative desperate need to look into the mirror and somewhere deep down inside still make an identification. However hazy, despite how long the process takes. Hence, all those Kumud at the mirror scenes is not showing her only who she has become and reinforcing limits for her, but also reminding her that who she has become is a result of the last conscious decision she ever made. She needs to uphold it. It is her swansong and she needs to do justice to it. Give it her one hundred percent. Even if that means taking one hundred abuses at the hands of Pramad. All that she will and can take solace at the end of the day is that she made her choice and she is living by it. As Hgg bhai said, she will take it on the chin, even literally somedays, if left to her own devices. Thank God thus, for Saras.

The huge irony here of course is that the marriage which has all but killed the girl she once was, is really all that is now representative of the girl she once was. And Kumud will fight tooth and nail to save that, because in a curiously sad way, this is about holding onto the last vestiges of her identity for her. Kumudsundari Desai, is tethered to Mrs. Pramad Dhan Dharmadhikari... She lets go of one, the other invariably follows, and then what will be left, save "korapan"... A new start... But will it be that easy, to forfeit not just one identity, but two in close succession, and all in one swift go? Because, if Saras has his way, that is what she is heading towards... But does he realise that? And will Kumud ever break down enough to permit him to access that realization... That the girl he is fighting to bring back is now linked inextricably with the woman she has become... That the disintegration of her marriage will only not kill "Mrs. Dharmadhikari" but may also erase "Kumudsundari Desai" from Kumud's consciousness... An easy situation just got a whole lotta complex. No black and white for miles here, just greys, greys and greys all around... Like smrth bhai said, does Saras really comprehend what is tearing her apart? Not at all. Because Kumud's motivations surpass all. However what is commendable, is that in her tenuous position and in her fragile state, Kumud is still fighting. The merest hint of a spark still exists, let's see what Saras does with it once he catches ahold of it. Alight the whole Dhan household to the high heavens is my guess... I jest 😛

Last thoughts: Very precariously poised narrative-wise, let's see where it all goes... Self, Respect, Love, and Identity are all at stake. And those stakes have just re-defined HUGE. Thank you CV's for that K vs K convo, execution wise, it left a little wanting but it was an Eureka moment nonetheless, of sorts... And also one that highlighted just how intricate, how incomprehensible Kumud's situation is... A mind-maze, no wonder she retreats

A song for Saras and Kumud today: What If, by Five for Fighting...

[Verse 1]
Threw a line out to pull you to me
If you don't get it, then you don't get it
You made your mind up before you knew me
If you don't get it, then you don't get it

[Pre-Chorus]
Take my hand for a minute
We're in it, imagine all the
Pain that might be forgiven

[Chorus]
What if I had your heart?
What if you wore my scars?
How would we break down?
What if you were me and what if I were you?
What if you told my lies?
What if I cried with your eyes?
Could anyone keep us down?
What if you were me and what if I were you?

Oh-oh oh-oh oh-oh oh-oh
Ooh ooh ooh-ooh

[Verse 2]
Had a dream of a new tomorrow
If you don't get it, then you don't get it
I took a step up and you might follow
If you don't get it, then you don't get it

[Pre-Chorus 2]
Take a chance for a minute
Jump in it, imagine if you
Asked yourself for a minute

[Chorus]
What if I had your heart?
What if you wore my scars?
How would we break down?
What if you were me and what if I were you?
What if you told my lies?
What if I cried with your eyes?
Could anyone keep us down?
What if you were me and what if I were you?

Ooh-ooh-ooh (x2)

[Middle 8]
Do the ones who make it better
Find to get out, got to touch the other side
What if all that it took to save our lives
Together was to rise up

[Chorus - variation]
What if I had your heart?
What if you wore my scars?
How would we break down? (Break down?)
What if I were you?
What if I told your lies?
What if you cried with my eyes?
Could anyone keep us down?
What if you were me and what if I were you?

[End]
What if your hand was my hand?
Could they hold on or let go?
What if your life was my life?
Could they love what we don't know?
What if your hand was my hand?
Could we hold on or let go?
What if your life was my life?
And what if I were you?

Edited by IdiotViewer - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#30

Originally posted by: hotdogg

arshi...

on the dot as usual...perfect song reflecting the sentiment for the epi...

1) And well we are off the treadmill and have boarded the train which is leaving the station for the next leg of the journey. Finally!!

I actually went back and referred Ivy's post in the last CB...it was so prescient...
Take a bow Ivy! Most of the below flows from the understanding of your last post. 👏

2) Kumud has regressed in a submissive Beta state and her instinct is to remain in that because:
- she has no control in the new environment and everything has slipped away.
- she's at the total mercy of every-one and everything in this new world.
- she's broken because her true love deserted her. So why even bother to live let alone fight.
- she's like a zombie ...a living dead.
- the trauma of this fall into the abyss has almost entirely erased her old identity

But even in this abyss she's still fighting.

The paradoxial problem though is that the ONLY REMAINING vestige of her old identity ... of the old kumud she knew she used to be ...in her present environment ...is her marriage to Pramad... Take this out and poof! ...there is no old kumud...The End.

Consequently, chained into a cage, deep down in the abyss...she is holding on to this shred of her old identity...and defending it to the extreme...

The moment she even admits that there is something wrong about the whole personal relationship with Pramad and / or her marriage...its all over for her..she won't exist as the kumud she knew she used to be...

So the irony is that a previously strong kumud has become a subservient kumud in order for the strong kumud to survive!

Loved the depiction of this irony in the double role scene!!

3) Saras is now bathed in the light of enlightenment (Finally!!!).
- He's realized that his need for an apology is too trivial a need. There are significantly huge stakes in play now.
- The past cannot be changed and in the present the kumud he loved and still loves is all but lost.
- Even kumud does not realize how far gone she is.
- If he does not intervene there will be no kumud that he loved in the future.
- Therefore to ATONE for his mistake, the LEAST he can do is unshackle kumud and bring her back from her abyss.
- He will have to push the envelope.
- So he's now an Alpha because he now has a purpose.

4) And what an EXACT role reversal...
- first saras did not know the why, what, how, when he was broken...and now kumud is the same.
- saras fought tooth and nail to remain in his abyss...and now kumud is doing the same.
- earlier kumud was aggressive and pushing saras up through the steps of the ladder out of the abyss BUT which had the potential to create far more irreversible damage...steps which often bordered on being utterly reckless...and now saras has started on that path!
- when kumud was pushing saras and saras was pushing back he still followed kumud anyway because of Mr. Ehsaas which he could not define at that time ...but which caused an implicit faith in kumud...I am sure we will see this same effect when kumud starts coming up..e.g. After all this the fabulously powerful 'Tumhe Meri Kasam' ...Mr. Ehsaas is still around though now kumud can't define it under the new circumstances.
- kumud cared a damn what others thought, what is right, samaj kya kahega etc. etc...saras is doing the same..
- kumud BROKE all the rules / asks / requests SET by saras when she single-handedly went to war for his soul...now saras is doing the same...

So I don't think it was thanda at all...in fact red hot for me as the pieces came together...

😊

Edit:
@smrth-
your question on locus standi of saras hopefully answered today.
Believe its a combo of above points and an emotion / rationale level higher than marriage, ex-lover, current lover etc. >>>> Duty.






Hgg Bhai, we are SO on the same page today that it is positively uncanny! I should have read your post before... I could have just added my new points on to that... Today's epi left me wanting majorly, esp in terms of Kumud... That "light-bulb" regarding her was the only redeeming feature as was Saras... Positively hate the ghoonghat to the deepest depths... Feel like leaping into the screen and tearing it off... Kumud is being tortured on every level, give her some respite aesthetically, please 😡

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