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MistyDawn

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Posted: 12 years ago

#71

Originally posted by: hotdogg
hmmm...

I am not taking a moral stand against the event...just struggling to fit the pieces together basis the character development so far (at least regarding kumud) and the context against which this may happen...

however, let me give it a shot...
from last comments from vaishali,smrth and kaadal..

- in the novel, the letter of rejection happens after they declare their love and later saras spends the rest of his life nursing a major guilt trip regarding his action...which causes his 'growth' and lifelong 'obligation' to make up for it to kumud.
- kumud's 'stigma' which forces VC hand to get her married in the novel is the engagement break-off.

- makers are definitely trying to turn out the saras character more as flawed than weak.
- therefore the logic of his overarching desire to do good for society for which he leaves behind everything does not stand / will not work.
- nor does the 'stigma' of an engagement break-off in current times.
- BUT public knowledge of her having premarital sex followed by an engagement break-off is a ;stigma' of sufficient magnitude, which may force VC to get her married off to a character like Pramad.
- then what will cause his life-long guilt trip over a hurt to kumud basis his action after a seperation and which will drive him till the end?

- it could be a combo of the premarital consumation followed by an impulsive seperation (caused by guman), resulting in kumud all alone for sometime, probably publicly or at least in family 'shamed' (can't think of any other word here) resulting in a quick marriage ...and we are back to the original track..

so maybe there's a reason why this fits...

however the CVs have continued to surprise..

so lets see how this goes..

@ bold- now that is what makes me say that SC in the novel is more flawed than weak and the one in the show is just the opposite.. he is also more vulnerable and flexible but in a good way.. Despite his reservations, he did change for Kumud...infact he was always willing to change for the better..He wanted help (recall his cry for help from Dukhba) and opportunity.. Kumud gave him that and he seized it earnestly.. Also, in the novel I am sure they have stressed on SC's inclination towards social reforms, charity etc a lot more than it has been in the show, which made sense in that era.. Here it seemed more like something Saras took up as his way to connect to his mother than his own inclination towards any cause..So it won't make sense to if they show him leave Kumud deal with her problems alone and set out to do social reforms.. he has never been shown overtly inclined towards all that barring few episodes in the beginning.. so I don't know how they can justify that when he will see Kumud drown in depair infront of his eyes, the girl who gave him a new life, gave him his father ..his life back basically.. he doesnt seem that ungrateful and insensitive to me.. two lines from the show give me hope of a happy ending after all the trials and tribulations they go through during the separation phase :

1. VC in the beginning - '' ye dono ziddi hain.. dono milke saare niyam kaanoon badal denge ''

2. Saras recently - '' haan mujhme tumhe paane ki zidd hai..''

Also the novel's ending doesn't go with the channel's tagline '' naye rishte , nayi soch '' A widow not allowed to get her life and happiness back is not nayi soch for me..

Edited by vaishali-AR - 12 years ago

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Arshics

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Posted: 12 years ago

#72

Originally posted by: smrth

That's understandable...It affords them showing all out melding into each other...besides, all rituals of a real marriage performed on them without showing the actual! 1) Mahendi 2) Haldi touched by the 'groom' 3) Hasta melap- they show it twice- Saras passing his palm over her Mahendi anointed palm and then again placing his own hand on her hand resting on the wall. 4) Sindoor...only two elements are missing; Kanyadaan and Fera...now this later they may yet come up in some beautiful conjecture/sequence...

So hasta melap is key wedding ritual in a Gujrati wedding? That's why they showed it after the mehendi!

Thanks smrth, i was not aware of this and so missed the significance of his placing his hand over hers at that moment

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Arshics

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Posted: 12 years ago

#73

Originally posted by: shana0127
it was ok

look u said na logic bhaiya is back ...thats why i said in my post by logic marriage hundred percent sure

but cant say much may be logic bhiya faits on crucial time of marraige ceremony ...

..or if say marriage happen and then no marraige night ...so leading to a adhoori dastaan logically :(

I have a feeling that marriage itself will not happen, Shana, not the formal band baaja marriage, a secret, symbolic one between the two seems to be what we are heading for

so adhoori dastaan, will come from married spiritually to each other, but in terms of wordly reality, married to someone else

Kumud being what she is, will not agree to marry anyone else, if she feels like a parineeta.

so the wedding will be entirely symbolic, with the two probably not even realising that they are going through the rituals in the right sequence

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Arshics

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Posted: 12 years ago

#74

Originally posted by: hotdogg

agree with smrth...

also i guess we are getting fixated on the semantics of the 'gandharva' element...

what they want to probably simply depict is that saras & kumud actually go through all the rituals of a proper marriage...

I have a bad feeling that it is going to unravel in this way:
1) both will complete the rituals in private...so in each others eyes..they are husband & wife..
2) official declaration & engagement - maybe not...
3) at this point guman will strike ...it will be a massive hit & full on surprise...for the first time there is total suspense on her plans from CVs..all this time we knew what she was planning...
4) and there is a seperation
5) so now our jodi is technically / officially seperate...but privately / with each other married..

the cause will be something personal for saras / VC (the flashback mentioned DB getting this guy arrested to save VC. What immense trouble was VC in?)...and both will be forced / tricked into taking respective sides on grounds of duty / sacrifice etc...

so it has started to drizzle...expecting the storm to hit in the next week...

...unless bowing to trp mata...we get an extended happy next week...but that's the tops...then it begins...

I think you are right, we seem to be heading for something dramatic and shattering, but before that tonite the wedding rituals should complete, and then everything will explode

But I feel smrth's prediction of an engagement or atleast, a declaration of intent by Saras is on the cards

so even if a formal engagement doesnt happen, maybe an announcement and rejoicing by family to close the rejection loop will make sense at this point.

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Arshics

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Posted: 12 years ago

#75

Originally posted by: smrth
Hgg (don't mind pl.)
This makes sense. I didn't know about that old spoiler, but Saraswati's Jewellery in Guman's Box was a passing thought while watching today...you confirm it...besides they already mislead viewers with Dukhbaa's intervention at her first attempt...so yes, it looks like this only...it also fits with the question mark in the other spoiler, "will he ?"...so I lose one more bat with Srushti, " he will admit in public". This means everything remains undisclosed...but for some privileged. Here they may also create another family feud...involving two fathers once again.

But Saraswati's jewellery on Kumud - 1. what reason would Guman give to get Kumud to wear it?

2. Saras flipping the lid - why, his mother's jewellery to go to his wife is the natural order and a matter of pride, he has already declared Kumud is his

But that it is some jewellery with a potential to stir up trouble is obvious, so I am intrigued, and it had better be so big, that it cannot be bridged, bigger than any of the storms the friendship of VC and LN has ever weathered

Edited by arshicritic - 12 years ago

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Posted: 12 years ago

#76

Originally posted by: smrth

@ Blue,

In the book, Sahas rai was a fugitive speculator...so maybe he had duped VC in signing some surety or fraud.

@green...amen! Before sadism strikes in full force.

smrth, why the name sahas rai - all character names are so yatha naam tatha gun, then why this aankh ka andha naam nainsukh here?

sahas means courage,na?

or does this word have another meaning in Gujrati?

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Arshics

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Posted: 12 years ago

#77

Originally posted by: smrth
But Hgg bhai, we are scaring ladies in the bloom season...let's stop.😆

the ladies here, smrth bhai, are all shernis and will not be scared away, so no worries!!

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Arshics

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Posted: 12 years ago

#78

Originally posted by: smrth

That was Happy chappy, bro...and I admit, I wanted to tell him/her then, 'I don't want to be 'brave hearted' on these two!😲 He/She is absolutely right. Just imagining reverses on each utterances of Saras gives me depression...and let me tell you, SLB is no match as a sadist to G.M.T. grand master of all...even Sarat chatterji is no match.
To give a sample, he has actually written a scene, Navin aka SC wanted to hug aggrieved Kumud after a strike or exit by Pramad...she speaks, " you have lost the right"...can you imagine suspended hands?!🤢

smrth, every time you quote from the original, i rue my lack of inability to read the original

and I want to see this scene, in the show!!

The way SC left her in the original, the scene and the line "you have lost the right " - so apt!!

Right now Saras, the rejector, is taking the lead towards becoming the Saras the pati.

Another reversal back to rejection, will be a torture, for Kumud and for us all

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Arshics

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Posted: 12 years ago

#79

Originally posted by: hotdogg

BTW: the more I learn the more I realize the story is entirely about kumd...then why did the author name it SC.?..haven't got the answer yet...maybe in the period it was written a novel with the name of its female protaganist would not have had a wider appeal...or maybe the author was trying to be cheeky and naming it after the bozo whose one impulsive decision caused all the trouble for all the characters and permitted him to write 5 volumes over 15 years! 😊

Or could it be that in the social system of that time, what Saras did was considered honourable, and as for Kumud, it was anyway a heroine's lot to suffer,

bravery in that era for a woman was to silently accept as much suffering as possible, in the name of honour and sanskar, so to suffer was kumud's lot anyway

Today, a girl like Kumud, who loves one man deeply and gets married to another - it will be interesting to see how she balances this relationship

Esp if pramad is a bad one, what will keep her in the marriage is to be seen.

Dugba's experience shows that VC will not insist that his daughter stay on a marriage where she does not get the kind of respect she deserves

so why would she stay on?

Or am i racing too far ahead, and need to wait for things to unfold?

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Arshics

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Posted: 12 years ago

#80

Originally posted by: -Srushti-

Hi Sorry to jump in...Was just going through and this one caught my attention..Nice point Hotdogg(If I can address you by that name?? if not pls tell me how to??)
About the novel being named after Saraswatichandra...yes it struck me then too...it is definitely about Kumud and her family more than Saras and his...but I think, Saras in most parts is the narrator...It is very much as per Saras' point of view...how he sees the charcters' story unfold...and also ...Saras being the one character who changed lot of shades...Also as you pointed out it was his decision which changed the fate of So many lives...

Good rationale Shrushti, makes a lot of sense, yes, that could be the reason

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