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Posted: 15 years ago
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Craetives are gicing example after example to show the contrast. we had a doubt that Ragini doed not know about Kaushi's health, but then a scene was shown where Rgaini herself saw Kaushi's condition, but still could not feel that. Ragini spreained her leg and she was engrossed in her own pain.

If one has seen Bidaai from the beginning, one might remember how Sadhna dropped one big pot on her leg herself, just that she does not need to come to the forefront when Ragini's marriage proposal was being done. People might argue that noone told Sadhna to do that, but there are few people who will understand and appreciate the goodness of Sadhna's character . This is bitter truth, but creatives are giving example after example but people are not still convinced.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Creatives created a show for two sisters and about their love, but was it ever mentioned that both will have the same qualities and priorities when faced with rea-life crisis. Does sontrast mean only contrast of complexions, not basic qualities.
we need to accept what is being shown and what examples are being given to establish their logic.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Omshanti1111

Craetives are gicing example after example to show the contrast. we had a doubt that Ragini doed not know about Kaushi's health, but then a scene was shown where Rgaini herself saw Kaushi's condition, but still could not feel that. Ragini spreained her leg and she was engrossed in her own pain.

If one has seen Bidaai from the beginning, one might remember how Sadhna dropped one big pot on her leg herself, just that she does not need to come to the forefront when Ragini's marriage proposal was being done. People might argue that noone told Sadhna to do that, but there are few people who will understand and appreciate the goodness of Sadhna's character . This is bitter truth, but creatives are giving example after example but people are not still convinced.


ya i remember
very well said👏
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Posted: 15 years ago
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The examples that the CT are giving to contrast the 2 sisters are very different from the examples given to contrast them before.
Ragini's character HAS had a 360 degree turn in this track, and I don't think anybody can deny that. She was NEVER oblivious to Sadhna's or her maayka's pains/problems before and this was showed even AFTER she got married.
Examples:
beofre marriage:
Ragini was the ONLY person who did not doubt Sadhna's intentions when she married Alekh. She refused to marry Ranvir because Vasu insulted her parents and put Vinu in jail. After that mu was solved, she still refused to marry Ranvir because her mother was strongly against her marriage to Ranvir. She would have married Shishir but she didnt because Shishir refused.
after marriage:
Ragini told Ranvir that they should support Sadhna with Shlok. Whenever Vasu would yell at Sadhna, it was Ragini who would always feel bad. In fact, she even told Sadhna that how can sadhna take it because Ragini cannot. She always kept trying to teach Alekh how to be a good dost to Sadhna.
Beofre this track, Ragini was not self-absorbed and definately, it was not all about Ranvir beofre too.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: chocolover89

The examples that the CT are giving to contrast the 2 sisters are very different from the examples given to contrast them before.

Ragini's character HAS had a 360 degree turn in this track, and I don't think anybody can deny that. She was NEVER oblivious to Sadhna's or her maayka's pains/problems before and this was showed even AFTER she got married.
Examples:
beofre marriage:
Ragini was the ONLY person who did not doubt Sadhna's intentions when she married Alekh. She refused to marry Ranvir because Vasu insulted her parents and put Vinu in jail. After that mu was solved, she still refused to marry Ranvir because her mother was strongly against her marriage to Ranvir. She would have married Shishir but she didnt because Shishir refused.
after marriage:
Ragini told Ranvir that they should support Sadhna with Shlok. Whenever Vasu would yell at Sadhna, it was Ragini who would always feel bad. In fact, she even told Sadhna that how can sadhna take it because Ragini cannot. She always kept trying to teach Alekh how to be a good dost to Sadhna.
Beofre this track, Ragini was not self-absorbed and definately, it was not all about Ranvir beofre too.



You have given some good examples. But lets not forget that Ragini preferred to stay at her granny's place even after knowing her father-in-law is sick just because she had some issues with Ranveer. So its very clear that her character has evolved as a married woman, her priorities have changed.One more thing Ragini did care about Sadhana a lot but in her good times only.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Omshanti1111



how can you say Ragini does not know? did she not see the dark circles aroung her mother's syes and then did she not see her mother having "chakkar". Why Sadhna has to be blamed.
the simplest thing is why cant people seewhat the creatives are trying to show through Ragini's character ?

now, pls do not report against me saying that I am Sadhna's fan. I am indeed Sadhna's fan, as is shown and is proved over and over again in the show, that she is the character with whom everyone should fall in love...hope that explains.

I know its a show, but keep aside the blaming of creatives, if we do a character analysis, as per my understanding this particulat situation is like "a bad carpenter quarels with his tools" or if "I cannot do something good, torture and blame the other person who is trying to do good".



Very well said.
One more thing I would like to add here as far as I can see members were having a discussion in this topic. So there should be not be any problem unless members go overboard.
Edited by --Anu-- - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: chocolover89

The examples that the CT are giving to contrast the 2 sisters are very different from the examples given to contrast them before.

Ragini's character HAS had a 360 degree turn in this track, and I don't think anybody can deny that. She was NEVER oblivious to Sadhna's or her maayka's pains/problems before and this was showed even AFTER she got married.
Examples:
beofre marriage:
Ragini was the ONLY person who did not doubt Sadhna's intentions when she married Alekh. She refused to marry Ranvir because Vasu insulted her parents and put Vinu in jail. After that mu was solved, she still refused to marry Ranvir because her mother was strongly against her marriage to Ranvir. She would have married Shishir but she didnt because Shishir refused.
after marriage:
Ragini told Ranvir that they should support Sadhna with Shlok. Whenever Vasu would yell at Sadhna, it was Ragini who would always feel bad. In fact, she even told Sadhna that how can sadhna take it because Ragini cannot. She always kept trying to teach Alekh how to be a good dost to Sadhna.
Beofre this track, Ragini was not self-absorbed and definately, it was not all about Ranvir beofre too.



I agree, I love Ragini for these two and would like to see more and more, which was consistently absent.

I have a lot more to disfavour

1. She doubted Sadhna's intentions, by getting instigated from Malti about the college guy.
2. She never ever stood beside Sadhna when Kaushi used to abuse her.
3. During her romance with Ranveer as Anamika, she misunderstood.
there will be lot of other examples, people can add more.
Post marriage, except Shlok (which was a small sentence for Sadhna's favour), the way she treated Sdhna is unpardonable. Rgaini has her own logic, she is blaming Sdahna for miscarriage. Its not bad that she is blaming Sdahna, but the words and her expressions of Sdahna can never be forgot.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Regarding Shlok, I'ld have loved to see that what Rgaini would have done if Ranveer did not agree at the first attempt and Rgaini had to choose between Ranveer or Sdahna's decisions.

I'ld love to see more and more of strong Ragini and this is what is expected from her. But sorry to say, her act of balance before marriageled to finallly change her priorities towrads right or wrong post marriage...she is the worst sufferer because she is trusting all those people, who are using her as a weapon against Sadhna. These same people will never take a moment to throw her out just what they did to Sdahna. Only consolation is her husband is Ranveer, but Ranveer also will not give in to her hatred towards Sdahna for a long time in the pretext of miscarraige.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Omshanti1111



I agree, I love Ragini for these two and would like to see more and more, which was consistently absent.

I have a lot more to disfavour

1. She doubted Sadhna's intentions, by getting instigated from Malti about the college guy.
2. She never ever stood beside Sadhna when Kaushi used to abuse her.
3. During her romance with Ranveer as Anamika, she misunderstood.
there will be lot of other examples, people can add more.
Post marriage, except Shlok (which was a small sentence for Sadhna's favour), the way she treated Sdhna is unpardonable. Rgaini has her own logic, she is blaming Sdahna for miscarriage. Its not bad that she is blaming Sdahna, but the words and her expressions of Sdahna can never be forgot.

@ underline There is a difference in standing by someone and being there with them than actually speaking up for them. Ragini did not strongly speak up for Sadhna with Kaushi, but you can't stay she never stood beside Sadhna, because again and again she told Kaushi her fears were baseless and that she was wrong about Sadhna. Granted, she wasn't firm enough because Kauhsi neevr understood, but she was there for Sadhna when Kaushi would insult her.
See you and I are arguing different things. You're pretty much saying Ragini supported Sadhna in her good times. I'm saying that beofre this rift track, it was never all about Ranvir and romance for Ragini. She did care about others and their opinions- hence to show her as so self-absorbed now is a 360 degree turn in character.
Ragini's character HAS changed. Before, she misunderstood Sadhna twice and got over it within an instance, and btw those are the only times when Ragini doubted Sadhna besides this wonderful track, but there are many more of when she cared about Sadhna and her parents and everyone else in Bidaai and wasn't oblivious to them.
Another one: she was the to get naveen's position back in the office, if she really was that shallow, then she would let him just stay at home after what he did to her brother.
@ red When Ragini woke up in the hospital after her miscarriage, the first person she asked for was Sadhna. But, Vasu and Kaushi did not let her meet Sadhna and brainwashed her completely when she was at her emotially weakest possible point: losing husband and child both within maybe 24 hours? Ragini never really got to know why Sadhna did what she did becasue she was neevr in the right state of mind to understand. Now that she is, the hatred that Vasu and Kaushi so strongly instilled in Ragini for Sadhna overpowers her rational thinking. Anyways, all of that is a matter of perception. I still don't think this really justifies Ragini's dialogues.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: dharaa

No one is blaming Sadhna here. We are just saying she could have informed everyone spcly Mamaji and Ragini as soon as she got the news. Ragini would def nt hv insulted her, cuz this time it was abt her mother's life. Things become easier when all our close ones are with us. One cant win every situations as a one man army.

😊you should read the topic starter post once more....if that is not blaming sadhana then i dont know what is.

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