||DOTW|| Love and the Moral Police.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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LOVE AND THE MORAL POLICE

Hi Guys

OK so it is my turn to do DOTW this week so I pose to you:

What are your views on love and moral policing?

Why are certain members of the community allowed to dictate how couples behave?

Why are they stopped from celebrating Valentine's Day-other than it being far too commercial?

Why are PDA's between a husband and wife still frowned upon today's society? I watched another serial where the mother in law told off her daughter in law for allowing her husband to give her a peck on the cheek, even if it was in the confines of their bedroom, because her son saw and mentioned it, although he saw nothing wrong? Shouldn't children grow up in a house where love between their parents is natural and not something to be frowned up? Even in SNS when the couples get close the shyness is still there as if they are stealing something, although the GoHem hug after the ACP incident was heart-warming and natural.

So the floor is yours. What do you think? Should children not see how much their parents love each other? Why should husbands and wives play a constant game of hide and seek and be made to feel embarrassed if they are caught?

Why am I asking so many questions?😆

Why is the font playing stupid b****rs with me? 🤣

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Interesting topic =D

I think with the parents playing hide and seek with the children😆 would be more so to conserve the innocence of the child.

Well in Australia right now, i find that children as young as 7 and 8 are talking about crushes and boyfriends. And by just looking at a child that young, you wouldn't imagine or think that these sort of things would run through their mind. So the more exposure we have to these sorts of things the more the desire🤢😆 for such thing arises =D So i guess to conceal the innocence of a child it is recommeded to not show such things in front of them even if it is nothing wrong.

Shouldn't children grow up in a house where love between their parents is natural and not something to be frowned up?
Sorry if i sound like a grandma, i think children should grow up in a comfortable environment where they see love and respect in the relationship of their father and mother. But i don't think it is neccessary to show love by hugging and what not. So the children should see how the parents care for each others well being and how they don't fight with each other and how they have respect between each other and value each others thoughts and opinions and stuff.

Why are certain members of the community allowed to dictate how couples behave?

Often the instructions of the sanskari elder member of the family has roots in vedic tradition. As by vedic tradition, the goal of life is to go back home, back to Godhead (heaven) and it is said that lust is the greatest impediments on the process of going back home. However in the Bhagavad Gita it is said that the lust which is used to produce children who will become devotees of the Lord is non-different from the Lord. So that is why elder members would dictate how a couple should behave so that they do not defy the instructions of the vedas and eventually go back home, back to Godhead.

TEXT 11

balam balavatam caham
kama-raga-vivarjitam
dharmaviruddho bhutesu
kamo 'smi bharatarsabha

SYNONYMS

balam--strength; bala-vatam--of the strong; ca--and; aham--I am;kama--passion; raga--attachment; vivarjitam--devoid of; dharma-aviruddhah--not against the religious principles; bhutesu--in all beings;kamah--sex life; asmi--I am; bharata-rsabha--O lord of the Bharatas.

TRANSLATION

I am the strength of the strong, devoid of passion and desire. I am sex life which is not contrary to religious principles, O Lord of the Bharatas [Arjuna].

PURPORT

The strong man's strength should be applied to protect the weak, not for personal aggression. Similarly, sex life, according to religious principles (dharma), should be for the propagation of children, not otherwise. The responsibility of parents is then to make their offspring Krsna conscious.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: HareKrsna108

Interesting topic =D


I think with the parents playing hide and seek with the children😆 would be more so to conserve the innocence of the child.

1) Well in Australia right now, i find that children as young as 7 and 8 are talking about crushes and boyfriends. And by just looking at a child that young, you wouldn't imagine or think that these sort of things would run through their mind. So the more exposure we have to these sorts of things the more the desire🤢😆 for such thing arises =D So i guess to conceal the innocence of a child it is recommeded to not show such things in front of them even if it is nothing wrong.

2) Shouldn't children grow up in a house where love between their parents is natural and not something to be frowned up?
Sorry if i sound like a grandma, i think children should grow up in a comfortable environment where they see love and respect in the relationship of their father and mother. But i don't think it is neccessary to show love by hugging and what not. So the children should see how the parents care for each others well being and how they don't fight with each other and how they have respect between each other and value each others thoughts and opinions and stuff.

3) Why are certain members of the community allowed to dictate how couples behave?

Often the instructions of the sanskari elder member of the family has roots in vedic tradition. As by vedic tradition, the goal of life is to go back home, back to Godhead (heaven) and it is said that lust is the greatest impediments on the process of going back home. However in the Bhagavad Gita it is said that the lust which is used to produce children who will become devotees of the Lord is non-different from the Lord. So that is why elder members would dictate how a couple should behave so that they do not defy the instructions of the vedas and eventually go back home, back to Godhead.

TEXT 11

balam balavatam caham
kama-raga-vivarjitam
dharmaviruddho bhutesu
kamo 'smi bharatarsabha

SYNONYMS

balam--strength; bala-vatam--of the strong; ca--and; aham--I am;kama--passion; raga--attachment; vivarjitam--devoid of; dharma-aviruddhah--not against the religious principles; bhutesu--in all beings;kamah--sex life; asmi--I am; bharata-rsabha--O lord of the Bharatas.

TRANSLATION

I am the strength of the strong, devoid of passion and desire. I am sex life which is not contrary to religious principles, O Lord of the Bharatas [Arjuna].

PURPORT

The strong man's strength should be applied to protect the weak, not for personal aggression. Similarly, sex life, according to religious principles (dharma), should be for the propagation of children, not otherwise. The responsibility of parents is then to make their offspring Krsna conscious.


Hi 😃.
Thank you so much for your input. It is really interesting to see it from another's point of view and backed up with writings from the scriptures. Thank you. If I may? 😃
1) The fact that girls as young as 7 or 8 are talking about their crushes, I feel has more to do with the media and they way that they have sexualised childhood to the point that children no longer retain that innocence they did in the past. This is something that I do see prevalent in some parts of the world. I don't feel that they have gone down this path because they saw their parents hugging. After all the relationship between their parents is the stability they need while growing up. It may gross them out in their teenage years but a young child looks to parents for stability.
2) I agree with you here that children do need a comfortable and stable background while growing up. But a child's impression of love and respect initially come from their parents. To know that your parents love each other is the best thing for a child. They are its first teachers and it is this memory or experience that they will look back on when they marry and embark on their relationship. Can it be that if they come from a relationship which is devoid of any affection that they will carry it forward. Already the news is full of minors or young men committing crimes because they have not been taught the value of love because they have not seen any affection pass between their parents. No affection, no trust, no understanding = confused and mixed up children who do not know the first thing about respecting another being. Maybe I am getting a bit too melodramatic here.
3) Again thank you for your references to the scriptures.😃 It is always a point of interest to me even though I have shunned religion for some time now. The scriptures, as in Christianity, Islam and Hinduism refer to a moral compass. They laid out the duty of men towards men, towards, women, beasts and towards god(s). Be truthful, pure and follow the right path. This was true of that time. However, we are now living in a society where today's values have changed. People don't always follow the rules and end up making different rules. This is probably best tackled at another time but nonetheless interesting. It is up to today's parents to instil in their child that there is nothing wrong with love between their parents.
The moral policing that I am referring to is the self made guardians of morality who will stalk couples in parks and have been known to attack them. Many a time targeting bona fide husbands and wives who have chosen to spend some time together. No body should have that power to decided that what they are doing is wrong.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Awesome topic Xari😛


Do we really need someone to tell us what is proper and what is not? Should that not come with the way we are brought up? I definitely feel so.

I come from a very conservative family but it is a matter of pride that when it is needed, the members of my family have been open minded on issues.

The way moral policing has taken a turn for the worse is saddening but all this did not start the way it is today you know.. One of the main reasons that PDAs was frowned upon or lets say not encouraged was very simple...

The joint family system.. It has a lot of advantages but it is still a family with people in different phases of their lives.. Unfortunately the mortality rates were not too high before in the days gone by which meant that there was most probably a new widow, a young one at that living in the same house as the others. Apart from that, there would be girls who were right around the age to move in with their husbands, young brides who are still at their parents home for whatever the reason,,

The reason why PDAs were generally not encouraged was specifically to avoid torture to these young urns, unfortunate as their circumstance is..

But that does not mean that any normal display of affection, gifts or words of praise were frowned upon.. those were just teased😳

However with the families getting smaller, there was no need to stop one from displaying their affection to their spouses.. It is just the inherent shyness and what one considers the decorum that stops some.. There are others who do not worry.

However, as much as I do not like this moral policing crossing the limits, I still find it stupid that some display the amount of insensitivity that is not PDA but just a sleazy scene of sudden passion.

Unfortunately, the increased rules have only led to opposition and that opposition considers that the only way to flaunt the rules is to behave stupidly.. I remember seeing a couple of school kids try to question their respective parents when they were asked not to behave out of age..Innocence and the lack of it in this fast paced world has led to multifolds of everything.. What is supposed to be a personal limit is now a tool for a few groups to restrict people and a tool for a few others to oppose just in the name of opposition


Now as much as I would love to see the PDAs that a family usually would show one another, like Hetal and Chirag.. The beauty of their relationship is how loving they both appear when they interact with each other.. that is what is the best thing about their relationship.. this trait, I see a little in GoHem but they are not there yet.

To me, PDAs are a beautiful way to show oneself and one's loved ones that they are loved and cared for.. But if it is true love it will be sensitive to others around.. Not like Jigar's moments of PDA to Rashi when Gopi was suffering from Ahem's wrath.. And certainly not Rashi's moments of PDA with Jigar just to show Gopi how bad her life is..

No.. my take is, we are our own police in these matters, We do not need anyone else to say how we should behave, rather make that decision ourselves with some thought😊

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