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Posted: 12 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: Justlikethat1

Dipsy, as much as I agree that Gopi has secrets from Koki and Ahem, I do not believe that her relationship with them is dishonest.


Gopi has been honest about her love and her respect for both Koki as well as Ahem. Her hiding certain truths about UrShi from Koki or Ahem is not because she is dishonest with them about her relationship.. It is just because she is honest with herself about them. She understands that for KoHem, what UrShi do will be par the tolerance level.

I am actually happy that Gopi is totally honest about that to herself. She is also correct in her assumption that KoHem will not stand for injustice and that me think that Gopi does know that she is siding with gross injustice when she hides UrShi's acts from KoHem and hence her furtive glances and the guilt. However wrong I think her hiding the truth of UrShi is, I still consider Gopi honest about her intentions regarding them.

Koki on her part also understands Gopi's weakness. I don't think she agrees.. She however understands that her Gopi vahu cannot help herself from siding UrShi and that is why we see her listen to Gopi's pleas regarding Rashi and Urmi. That is the honesty I like. Both talk to each other and share in PoVs, however different it maybe.
When Gopi hides something from Koki, it is only when that truth will lead to Rashi being sent out. Remember that Gopi knows Koki's sense of fairness completely and Also Ahem's anger. She was the victim for a year when she was sent out of her sasural for her mistake. Do you think she will wish the same fate on her cousin who she loves? I don't think so.

The honesty I am talking about is more the honesty of oneself about one's relations. GoKi and GoHem's relationship between each other is clear and truthful. They however are blinded by gratitude when it comes to anyone from MBP. Koki is blinded by her gratitude for Mota Bhabhi for sustaining her over the years while Gopi is filled with gratitude towards Rashi and Urmi. That is why they do not let them get the punishments they deserve. This is their only fault.

As for Ahem, I do not think it is right to stay so far away from his family tensions but then I cannot blame the guy. .When you have a person like Rashi in the house, every day is drama whether you like it or not. 🤢 But I still keep hoping that he would see Gopi's eyes and understand her plight one day and talk to her like a friend and tell her that she needs to overcome her gratitude😊

I am not doubting Gopi's intentions Harini...whatever she does is with the sole intention of keeping the family together. But is she right in making decisions for the Modis? especially when she knows to what extent Urshi can go? for me hiding the truth amounts to dishonesty as well...and if she thinks that Kohem will simply throw Rashi out if they know the truth then she is not being fair with them..remember even Koki knows how Rashi is, Gopi has seen Koki forgiving and trying to correct Rashi as a mother would. She even agreed when Gopi said Rashi is good at heart. Koki is not the same as she was during the Sonal track. Even Ahem for that matter, remember when Rashi came back after Gopi's fatal accident, he actually helped Gopi reunite RaJi inspite of knowing how Rashi is...he may not know what they have done most of the time but he knows how they are..yet he tolerates them and has always done much more than Jigar whenever Rashi has been in trouble. When Gopi came to know about Vansh, she had decided to tell Ahem but didnt. She hides because the truth will break their heart. But then is it true happiness? Now what happened today? For Rashi's happiness, Gopi convinced Koki to let Urmi come to MM. Inspite of knowing Urmi Koki agreed just for Goshi. And what did Urmi do? she sent Koki to jail 🤢. You give a second chance to someone who shows remorse. Gopi may be naive but she is not a fool. She knows Urshi do not repent for what they have done so far and by letting them go she gives them yet another chance to torture her family (read Modis). Yes Koki will come out but it's not about Koki saved from rotting in jail, just the trauma and humiliation of being handcuffed in public and paraded from the hospital was punishment enough for Koki for no fault of hers. And how distraught was Ahem to see her like that. I am very interested to see what Gopi does now. I know for sure that Urmi will spill the beans in front of Rashi, and again Rashi will support her. What will Gopi do? She gave a chance to Rashi to start anew and Rashi is going to break it..what do you think she will do Harini?
Of course, Gohem and Koki are honest in their relationships with each other...but when it comes to Urshi there is a gap between Gopi and Kohem.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Dipsy, I thought we were talking about dishonesty in their relationships and not dishonesty per se😉😆

I do agree that Gopi has been giving a lot of chances to UrShi and I do not think either Rashi or Urmi deserve any of those chances. .As much as I do not agree with her choices, I do understand them. It is like me understanding Koki even when she was at her mean best to Gopi before. She as a possessive mother. I may not agree with her but I understood her emotion.

Now lets come to your question on whether Gopi will do something to clear Koki or will she side with Rashi and Urmi.. Well, the Cvs want us to believe that Rashi is not evil.. So I see even her wanting to somehow help Koki come out..

Now will Gopi remain calm and let Urmi slide away in the advent of her MIL's humiliation? I don't think so.. And even without the spoilers I would have said the same thing. I do not think Gopi would let Koki rot in jail if she found out about what her Maami did..

Now you tell me.. Is Gopi this generous about her forgiveness only with UrShi? No.. She forgave Ahem for all he did. .Heck, she did not even blame him for treating her like an object and using her as his punching bag.
She did not think Koki was horrible for putting her in a storeroom and shouting at her.. She thinks good of everyone Dipsy, good and bad. And that is her weakness. She finds reasons to forgive them. She thinks Rashi is miled and she feels Urmi loves Rashi too much and hence makes mistakes. Excuses that do not hold water with me.. No doubt but that makes her a fool but not dishonest.

You tell me that Koki agrees to Gopi's demands because she loves her. But I think Koki agrees to Gopi's demands inspite of knowing the truth about UrShi. She does that for the same reason that Gopi hides the truth for.. For the family and their happiness. Not for anything else.

Both Gopi and Koki IMHO care too much about their family and that is where their fault lies. They are not dishonest, they are weak and also they do not value their own generosity and forgiveness. That is why I talk of a clean break from MBP for both.

Gopi needs to get out of feeling gratitude towards UrShi and Koki needs to come out of the need to protect and save MBP from UrShi.. Then they can move on.. Until then, however honest they are in their own relationships, they will be nowhere.. Just my PoV😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Justlikethat1

Dipsy, I thought we were talking about dishonesty in their relationships and not dishonesty per se😉😆


I do agree that Gopi has been giving a lot of chances to UrShi and I do not think either Rashi or Urmi deserve any of those chances. .As much as I do not agree with her choices, I do understand them. It is like me understanding Koki even when she was at her mean best to Gopi before. She as a possessive mother. I may not agree with her but I understood her emotion.

Now lets come to your question on whether Gopi will do something to clear Koki or will she side with Rashi and Urmi.. Well, the Cvs want us to believe that Rashi is not evil.. So I see even her wanting to somehow help Koki come out..

Now will Gopi remain calm and let Urmi slide away in the advent of her MIL's humiliation? I don't think so.. And even without the spoilers I would have said the same thing. I do not think Gopi would let Koki rot in jail if she found out about what her Maami did..

Now you tell me.. Is Gopi this generous about her forgiveness only with UrShi? No.. She forgave Ahem for all he did. .Heck, she did not even blame him for treating her like an object and using her as his punching bag.
She did not think Koki was horrible for putting her in a storeroom and shouting at her.. She thinks good of everyone Dipsy, good and bad. And that is her weakness. She finds reasons to forgive them. She thinks Rashi is miled and she feels Urmi loves Rashi too much and hence makes mistakes. Excuses that do not hold water with me.. No doubt but that makes her a fool but not dishonest.

You tell me that Koki agrees to Gopi's demands because she loves her. But I think Koki agrees to Gopi's demands inspite of knowing the truth about UrShi. She does that for the same reason that Gopi hides the truth for.. For the family and their happiness. Not for anything else.

Both Gopi and Koki IMHO care too much about their family and that is where their fault lies. They are not dishonest, they are weak and also they do not value their own generosity and forgiveness. That is why I talk of a clean break from MBP for both.

Gopi needs to get out of feeling gratitude towards UrShi and Koki needs to come out of the need to protect and save MBP from UrShi.. Then they can move on.. Until then, however honest they are in their own relationships, they will be nowhere.. Just my PoV😊

By being dishonest per se with Kohem about Urshi, somewhere dishonesty does creep in their relationship, does it not? if it keeps going on this way, it will...and after Urshi have almost murdered the Modis about 100 times, if Kohem come to know that every time Gopi knew the truth, what would they think? will they not feel let down that Gopi did not trust them enough to confide in them?
you are right about Gopi's forgiving nature...I was mad at Gopi for ages for forgiving Ahem so easily 😆...sorry Sherry but I really wanted to see Ahem pine and suffer for Gopi the way she pined for him..but in a way Ahem did right? for more than a year we saw Ahem trying to bridge the gap between himself and Gopi and it was not easy for him as Gopi was so afraid of him. Gopi may not have done it knowingly but Ahem did suffer for quite a while. He even got slapped 😆(geez I loved that 😆) We were never sure about his feelings for Gopi and I remember the posts analyzing his actions (lol 😆) but he probably fell in love with her much much before we saw the confession. I do not approve of Ahem's behaviour but he had a past which made him the way he was. Yes Koki was downright mean to her too...but she changed in a few months right? But Urshi? They are just mean to Gopi for no reason? Till date I havent understood why Urmi hates Gopi sooo much and she has passed it on to Rashi too..Gopi is with Urshi since donkey's years, she could bend backwards for them but they continue to treat her like trash...nothing seems to faze them...Rashi almost lost her life twice (when she was kidnapped and in the borewell) but Urmi is as conniving as ever. Gopi and the Modis move heaven and earth every time Rashi gets into trouble mostly because of her own stupidity but Rashi still enjoys seeing them in pain. Gopi told Rashi point blank that she did not reveal Vansh's truth to the family because she was pregnant. So now CVs will never show Rashi paying for her sins because she will be a mother?😕...the so called fake happy family will go on 😕
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Getting back to he subject of honesty, do you remember in the early days of Gohem when Hetal gave Gopi the sari that she was given as a present to Gopi and told her that Ahem had gifted it to her. Here she was being dishonest with Gopi, although her intentions were good they were bound to have created a misunderstanding and heartache for Gopi in the long run. Koki saw this and revealed to Gopi the truth. It hurt Gopi at the time but at least she was not under any illusions. So how is it that Gopi can see but cannot or will not reveal Urshi's antics? Isn't this creating an illusion no matter how good or considerate her attentions are? The truth hurts but in the long run it is the best option. Gopi needs to see things as they are for it not to impact upon her in a less favourable manner.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Dispy, hence my request for the clean break see?😊

Will Gopi hiding the truth affect her relationship with KoHem.. A bit maybe but I think they would understand her just like Ahem understood her need to lie during the batwara track.. She did it for the 'greater good' you see (meaning for lallu Jigar and evil Rashi).. I totally do not agree with the logic but this is how the CVs will want us to believe🤢

And I do ask myself.. why should KoHem let Gopi's decisions about UrShi affect their relationship? After all MBP is KoHem's extended family.. What happened with vansh does not have any direct connection to their relationship anyway and if Jigar or Mota Bhabhi do not care for what exactly happened, why should Ahem or Koki. It is natural that they would have dropped it too..

Now coming to Koki's arrest. that is now a serious thing. If it comes out that Urmi is the reason for what happened, then there will be war and Gopi seems bent of revealing the truth to all this time. That is where I think Gopi is honest .. She is when it comes to KoHem and their immediate relationships.


I again will say that I do not agree with Gopi at all when it comes to hiding the truth about UrShi. But I can see why she does that. She does not want to see the real them and formulates her own excuses.. Illusions she creates for herself. I do not agree with that. But I also think KoHem need to help her get over those 20 years of her life.. Take her to a psychiatrist.. Help her come out of the stockholm's syndrome she so much displays
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Xarina

Getting back to he subject of honesty, do you remember in the early days of Gohem when Hetal gave Gopi the sari that she was given as a present to Gopi and told her that Ahem had gifted it to her. Here she was being dishonest with Gopi, although her intentions were good they were bound to have created a misunderstanding and heartache for Gopi in the long run. Koki saw this and revealed to Gopi the truth. It hurt Gopi at the time but at least she was not under any illusions. So how is it that Gopi can see but cannot or will not reveal Urshi's antics? Isn't this creating an illusion no matter how good or considerate her attentions are? The truth hurts but in the long run it is the best option. Gopi needs to see things as they are for it not to impact upon her in a less favourable manner.


Xari - I totally agree with what Koki did that day and yes. I think Gopi needs to come clean about UrShi's actions but also remember that unlike Koki, Ahem supported her in her lies when it came to keeping the family together.

That is where the problem lies. Ahem has to sit Gopi with him and tell her that the 'greater good' in her mind is all ok but not at the expense of letting two monsters get away and who is Gopi to actually think of the greater good? What does she know?

Gopi needs to have her illusions of UrShi's kindness and 'love' broken. She needs to be shown that keeping Rashi's actions hidden will only break the family in the future.. If she does not want Rashi's child to suffer later, she needs to let Rashi face the music now..

Yes.. Gopi needs to break her illusions about UrShi. that makes her dishonest about her relationship with them but does it make her dishonest with her relationship with KoHem?😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Justlikethat1


Xari - I totally agree with what Koki did that day and yes. I think Gopi needs to come clean about UrShi's actions but also remember that unlike Koki, Ahem supported her in her lies when it came to keeping the family together.

That is where the problem lies. Ahem has to sit Gopi with him and tell her that the 'greater good' in her mind is all ok but not at the expense of letting two monsters get away and who is Gopi to actually think of the greater good? What does she know?

Gopi needs to have her illusions of UrShi's kindness and 'love' broken. She needs to be shown that keeping Rashi's actions hidden will only break the family in the future.. If she does not want Rashi's child to suffer later, she needs to let Rashi face the music now..

Yes.. Gopi needs to break her illusions about UrShi. that makes her dishonest about her relationship with them but does it make her dishonest with her relationship with KoHem?😊

The big question is what will it take for Gopi to make that stand against Urshi? She is aware of the level they will stoop to but not to the depths of their depravity. I call it that because that is how they are. How much longer? Do we really want to see another cat and mouse game with now Gopi in place of Koki? In all this I want my angry Gopi back with Koki being her second in command.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I will even start watching SNS again if Gopi is made the angry woman with Koki being her second in command Xari

I want Gopi spewing fire like your SS. I want her to show Rashi and Urmi who they really are and how evil. But you seem it will never happen. Dev once said in her interview that when she is told to react to certain situations she is asked to school her emotions to equal Sita Maiyaa..

Sita Maiyaa is considered to be the most forgiving of all. She was so generous and so forgiving that she forgave even her tormentors. It is said that she forgave and saved the demons who tortured her when she was kept captive by Raavan.. If Gopi is Sita then there is no way that the CVs will show her being the woman we want her to be

You know, there is a saying in my mother tongue which actually means "Don't wake up a sleeping lion"

What would it take to wake Gopi up to UrShi's evilness? What will make her see their faults for what they actually are? Ahem, Koki getting hurt? Koki has been sent to jail.. What more does she want?😕
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Posted: 12 years ago
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That was some SS wasn't it 😃 I should repost it, if only to give us an insight of what might or could be.

Gopi is capable of standing up for her loved ones. Remember her beating Rashi black and blue during the Anita bhooth track. But at that time in her mind she was fighting the unknown for the safety of her husband. When she found out it was Rashi it was she herself who saved her again from being thrown out. But do I see Gopi stand up for those who cannot fend for themselves? Possible. Whereas she has sympathy when it is Koki, Ahem or the family she shows a level of impotency to act in the correct manner. But see her anger when it was the issue of Vansh. Her anger was palatable then.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Post the SS Xari😊 It would be awesome wouldn't it if Gopi got angry?

It is really no surprise that Gopi does not let others who are in a worse position than her be bullied while she has this immense sense of dilemma when it comes to those who can stand up for themselves, meaning Koki and Ahem.. it is not that Gopi does not support them.. remember a similar arrest when Koki was accused of hurting Rashi physically after she was thrown out? Gopi was the one who made Rashi see the dangerous nature of her allegations.

But when it comes to her own hurt ,she cares naught. She lets UrShi walk all over her..

But with Koki helpless in Jail and Ahem most probably in distress because even the commissioner is unwilling to help, will not Gopi find it in her to stand up and expose Urmi atleast this time? Rashi escapes her past sins but I think Urmi, who Gopi fears will not escape this time because her Maaji is in deep trouble?

BTW, how does Koki come out to celebrate Holi if the truth is not out? Guess Urmi makes the nurse take back her statement🤢 I just wish Urmi is paraded publicly and shamed for all that she is doing😡

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