Vulnerabilities and Manipulators!

Justlikethat1 thumbnail
14th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 12 years ago
#1
After watching today's episode, I was left confused and wondering about Gopi. Not only was she abused and threatened by Urmi at MM, she also went to RN to get more crap from Urmi herself and I was frustrated with gopi... Why would someone do this? Why would they take so much degradation and yet feel that they are at fault.

So this is what I found about Manipulators and Vulneribilities that the manipulators use. Urmi and Rashi fit perfectly.. Love to hear your thoughts on this😃

According to Wiki manipulators exploit vulnerabilities and use it to their own benefit.. So what are Gopi's vulnerabilities

1. navete - victim finds it too hard to accept the idea that some people are cunning, devious and ruthless or is "in denial" if he or she is being victimized.

This is Gopi's definition. She is just blind to people's faults

2. over-conscientiousness - victim is too willing to give manipulator the benefit of the doubt and see their side of things in which they blame the victim.

Isn't this typical Gopi? It is one thing to see from another's PoV. It is another to always give them the benefit of doubt like she does with UrShi

3. low self-Confidence - victim is self-doubting, lacking in confidence and assertiveness, likely to go on the defensive too easily.

I had hoped that the above had reduced. But Gopi still cannot be assertive enough. She lets Urmi and Rashi walk all over her and is their doormat😭

4. masochistic - lack self-respect and so unconsciously let psychopaths take advantage of them. They think they deserve it out of a sense of guilt

Again.. Gopi isn't it? Gopi also has the "disease to please" and also has an addiction for acceptance from others..

With so many vulnerabilities, it is no doubt that UrShi take every advantage and use manipulations to get their own way. Now lets move on to what these manipulations from UrShi are classified as.😉

Some of the things that Wiki says are part and parcel of Manipulators are

1. Lying - We all know how Rashi uses it, don't we?
2. Denial - Manipulator refuses to admit that he or she has done something wrong.
3. Covert intimidation - Manipulator throwing the victim onto the defensive by using veiled (subtle, indirect or implied) threats.
4. Guilt tripping - A manipulator suggests to the conscientious victim that he or she does not care enough, is too selfish or has it easy. This usually results in the victim feeling bad, keeping them in a self-doubting, anxious and submissive position.
5. Shaming - Manipulator uses sarcasm and put-downs to increase fear and self-doubt in the victim. Manipulators use this tactic to make others feel unworthy and therefore defer to them. Shaming tactics can be very subtle such as a fierce look or glance, unpleasant tone of voice, rhetorical comments, subtle sarcasm. Manipulators can make one feel ashamed for even daring to challenge them. It is an effective way to foster a sense of inadequacy in the victim. (Urmi all over?😲)
6. Playing the victim role ("poor me"): Manipulator portrays him- or herself as a victim of circumstance or of someone else's behavior in order to gain pity, sympathy or evoke compassion and thereby get something from another. Caring and conscientious people cannot stand to see anyone suffering and the manipulator often finds it easy to play on sympathy to get cooperation. (Rashi to the T?)


Thanks to some google search, I get what the CVs are doing. They are all using UrShi to teach us things about manipulations and then using Gopi to show vulnerabilities and as wiki does not have the answers of how one overcomes these manipulators, the CVs let UrShi win all the time😉 Sorry Kidding.. But the above made a good study😛 I guess now, I can be less confused and wonder more about how close the person writing for UrShi should be from becoming a pshycopath himself😆
Edited by Justlikethat1 - 12 years ago

Created

Last reply

Replies

19

Views

1.3k

Users

6

Likes

34

Frequent Posters

Xarina thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Visit Streak 180 Thumbnail + 7
Posted: 12 years ago
#2
Harini I will come back to this once I have had a welcome cup of tea. All I can say right now is The Stockholm Syndrome. Brb.
NazimKiDewani thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 12 years ago
#3
brilliant n very interesting post Harini 👏 its all abt educate ppl or beware from manipulators like Urmi..

Gopi is extra innocent she saw every one in her way.. Even knows how the person bad.. Like Rashi she very much aware with Rashi deeds n intentions beside that she love her n want her be better person.. Exactually with Urmi since from childhood n till date Urmi behave with her like she is her servent more then neice.. n Gopi love her so called family n more i think so thankful n grateful from Urmi for her up bringing.. 😕 now its High time for Gopi to understand the fect n feel wht actually Urmi upto.. Every time both UrShi felt her as a oprhan they push her killing n weak nerves n give her pain.. thats really rediculous.. I wish Ahem saw that how badly Urmi push Gopi or the way her talk.. Imsure Ahem gives her earful nicely.. I really want Gopi burst out on UrShi n warn her abt that now isnt an oprhan any more i know Gopi do that.. Just she realise UrShi words n stop herself blaming n victimize.. Gopi is such stupid why she waste her tears on them who didnt care her penny persent.. 😕 hope gopi realise n move on from her real family how needs her more then Rashi..
yhm_craze thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Rocker Thumbnail Fascinator 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 12 years ago
#4
what a brilliant post Harini! 👏👏👏...yes we all get frustrated and even angry with Gopi's behaviour but she has lived her whole life being told by her only family that she brings bad luck and even caused her parents' death! imagine a child bearing that kind of guilt! 😭...its really unforgivable! and she did it today only when she spat at Gopi that she was an orphan! Gopi's wounded eyes broke my heart 😭..she longs to be accepted and I think somewhere she continues to fear losing people who have accepted her...I just remembered the scene where she accidentally dropped glue on Ahem's papers and he scolded her...it was such a normal thing between husband and wife but Gopi looked really scared and started crying..does she feel inadequate or fear losing his love?...it would be unfair of us to expect her to let go of a lifetime of abuse and suddenly start being super assertive..still I would say in between all that unnecessary shedding of tears she stood firm and refused to promise Rashi that she would not stop her from doing anything wrong..and that is laudable👏...i just hope she does not let all this guilt completely absorb her..but i think that is going to happen..maybe thats why Koki will feel gohem are drifting apart..
Justlikethat1 thumbnail
14th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 12 years ago
#5

Originally posted by: Xarina

Harini I will come back to this once I have had a welcome cup of tea. All I can say right now is The Stockholm Syndrome. Brb.


I thought so too Xari😊 It is typical Stockholm Syndrome.. And there should be some psychiatrist who can help Gopi. She has undergone so much abuse and yet she defends and protects her abusers in all possible ways.

I also wanted to know what UrShi are called. Socio paths I think🤔
Justlikethat1 thumbnail
14th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 12 years ago
#6

Originally posted by: -GiNa-

brilliant n very interesting post Harini 👏 its all abt educate ppl or beware from manipulators like Urmi..

Gopi is extra innocent she saw every one in her way.. Even knows how the person bad.. Like Rashi she very much aware with Rashi deeds n intentions beside that she love her n want her be better person.. Exactually with Urmi since from childhood n till date Urmi behave with her like she is her servent more then neice.. n Gopi love her so called family n more i think so thankful n grateful from Urmi for her up bringing.. 😕 now its High time for Gopi to understand the fect n feel wht actually Urmi upto.. Every time both UrShi felt her as a oprhan they push her killing n weak nerves n give her pain.. thats really rediculous.. I wish Ahem saw that how badly Urmi push Gopi or the way her talk.. Imsure Ahem gives her earful nicely.. I really want Gopi burst out on UrShi n warn her abt that now isnt an oprhan any more i know Gopi do that.. Just she realise UrShi words n stop herself blaming n victimize.. Gopi is such stupid why she waste her tears on them who didnt care her penny persent.. 😕 hope gopi realise n move on from her real family how needs her more then Rashi..


Sherry, one has to understand that Gopi has undergone a lifetime of abuse. She was abused and played with right from the time she was born. Rashi plays victim, good cop and bad cop with her mother making Gopi more vulnerable.
Gopi is not stupid but she is naive and she surely feels an unimaginable debt she owes her Maami, Maama and Rashi ben who she has been told since forever that she was a burden to.

Not only that, for almost a year into her marriage, she was rejected by her husband. For the initial few months she was abused by her MIL and even after her MIL has become almost a mother to her, Gopi still is afraid of Koki.

Ahem may have been the best husband once he changed but it is too early for Gopi to see that he will not even leave her or scorn her. Remember? Gopi has been too much abused, too many times rejected to ever feel comfortable about her relationships.
That is why she does everything to please people. And she hopes that they stay happy and she gets to stay in their lives.

If the Modis pampered her like Rashi, if they made her feel extra special, if they show her time and again that her mistakes will not be punished by rejection, then maybe Gopi will become secure. Remember Sherry... Gopi did not grow up like you or me. She was illiterate, was tortured, was shouted at and called unlucky by her closest relations at one point or other in her life.

I do not expect her to stand up to her abuser so easily. It will have to be someone other than her. Like Koki who came to Gopi's rescue today. It has to be someone like Ahem who should put Urmi in her place and for once in his life also pay attention to why his wife is so worried instead of looking at his blue file and conference calls
Justlikethat1 thumbnail
14th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 12 years ago
#7

Originally posted by: dipsy80

what a brilliant post Harini! 👏👏👏...yes we all get frustrated and even angry with Gopi's behaviour but she has lived her whole life being told by her only family that she brings bad luck and even caused her parents' death! imagine a child bearing that kind of guilt! 😭...its really unforgivable! and she did it today only when she spat at Gopi that she was an orphan! Gopi's wounded eyes broke my heart 😭..she longs to be accepted and I think somewhere she continues to fear losing people who have accepted her...I just remembered the scene where she accidentally dropped glue on Ahem's papers and he scolded her...it was such a normal thing between husband and wife but Gopi looked really scared and started crying..does she feel inadequate or fear losing his love?...it would be unfair of us to expect her to let go of a lifetime of abuse and suddenly start being super assertive..still I would say in between all that unnecessary shedding of tears she stood firm and refused to promise Rashi that she would not stop her from doing anything wrong..and that is laudable👏...i just hope she does not let all this guilt completely absorb her..but i think that is going to happen..maybe thats why Koki will feel gohem are drifting apart..


Thanks Dipsy😊

You wrote exactly what I wanted to show. Yes. Gopi sometimes frustrates me no end. Her constant guilt and her support for her abusers be it Rashi, Urmi or Ahem for that matter gets to me but then when I think about her life, I see how much she is frightened still about rejection and about losing whatever she has.

Gopi has always been abused by UrShi but she has also always been fostered with this guilt that if not for UrShi, she would not have survived. Added to that her Maama's love has left Gopi weak against the people in her Maayka. She has I think learnt to see only the good and live with that because let us face it, Gopi would be gone mad otherwise😭

Then she gets married. See what happens. Her husband rejects her. Her MIL punishes her for the smallest mistakes. She faces the same nightmares again.

Maybe Koki took her under her wing once she realized Gopi's innocence and honesty but Gopi jumped hoops to prove that to her. That is why even now you see that fear in her eyes when Koki pulls her up for her carelessness.
Your example of the glue was so true. Gopi fears that the people who have accepted her would find her too inadequate and will tire off her. That keeps her wanting to constantly make other's feel happy.

It is unfortunate really. Just see how Gopi's face blooms if she hears one word of praise or if someone asks after her. The Modis are all so worried about Rashi and they pamper her every whim and fancy but are so blind to see that insecure little child Gopi is..

Gopi never says anything or complains and except Baa, I have never seen anyone take her aside and tell her that she is loved and cherished in the house. Yes. Koki praises her when things are well done but it is too far in between.

Ahem, who used to read her face and ask her about her troubles before, now seems to have no time to his worried wife. Mota Bhabhi and Jigar are total wastes. Jigar is a Devdas within 2 hours and Mota Bhabhi takes about Seva for her DIL already.

Gopi in my opinion needs someone who can boost her confidence in herself and her relationships. Someone who will tell her that it is ok to make mistakes. Someone who holds her hand and stands in front of her and defends her a few times and shows her that her Maami is completely wrong.

As long as Gopi is left alone to her thoughts and is left worried, she will do what she can to keep everyone happy even if it means she takes on lots of guilt and suffers for it
yhm_craze thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Rocker Thumbnail Fascinator 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 12 years ago
#8
thanks for the super reply Harini...you are right, Motabhabhi and Jigar are total waste so no point discussing about them, but coming to Koki , I think that is a character flaw she always had, she is not very open in showing her love and she is like that with all not just Gopi, I think out of all, Gopi is most comfortable with Koki and feels most secure with her 😊. I always find it endearing that Koki gets visibly upset when Gopi states that she is an orphan, she has proved her love towards Gopi time and again and she stood by her even against Ahem when he refused to accept his baby. So I dont think she is scared of losing Koki...but Ahem yes..Ahem himself is not very open about his feelings..yes he has confessed his love and till Meera's birth he was constantly trying to prove it to Gopi trying to make up for his beastly behaviour..but I think now with Meera's birth, he has moved into a comfort zone where maybe he does not feel the need to express love towards Gopi, still we did have that cute moment between them on Valentine's day...I think Ahem needs to do those small things for Gopi and not wait for anniversaries and Valentine's day! surely he realizes that Gopi deserves it and more! by the way when is Holi? its always brought a landmark moment in the gohem relationship, wonder what will happen this time? 😛
Justlikethat1 thumbnail
14th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 12 years ago
#9

Originally posted by: dipsy80

thanks for the super reply Harini...you are right, Motabhabhi and Jigar are total waste so no point discussing about them, but coming to Koki , I think that is a character flaw she always had, she is not very open in showing her love and she is like that with all not just Gopi, I think out of all, Gopi is most comfortable with Koki and feels most secure with her 😊. I always find it endearing that Koki gets visibly upset when Gopi states that she is an orphan, she has proved her love towards Gopi time and again and she stood by her even against Ahem when he refused to accept his baby. So I dont think she is scared of losing Koki...but Ahem yes..Ahem himself is not very open about his feelings..yes he has confessed his love and till Meera's birth he was constantly trying to prove it to Gopi trying to make up for his beastly behaviour..but I think now with Meera's birth, he has moved into a comfort zone where maybe he does not feel the need to express love towards Gopi, still we did have that cute moment between them on Valentine's day...I think Ahem needs to do those small things for Gopi and not wait for anniversaries and Valentine's day! surely he realizes that Gopi deserves it and more! by the way when is Holi? its always brought a landmark moment in the gohem relationship, wonder what will happen this time? 😛


I agree Dipsy. I think Gopi knows too that Koki is there for her all the time. But that flaw in Koki to be kind and love others but yet not show it may not have mattered when it comes to Kinjal and Ahem but with Gopi, it sure does not help her.
Today I was cheering when Gopi immediately went and stood at Koki's back as Urmi was given left, right and center😊 Gopi really does feel secure with Koki. But it would be awesome if atleast once Koki takes her aside and makes her sit and talks to her about not taking all this c*** from her Maami. Instead of ordering her not to hide anything or talk to Urmi, Koki has to atleast once tell Gopi why she is giving her that order. But yes. As you said, it is a flaw and that flaw is the reason why GoKi moments are so fabulous for us. 😳

And you are so right about Ahem. This is what I mean. Ahem has taken a laid back approach to Gopi now. It seems like the urgency that he had to make her confess, the constant attention that he previously needed, He has given up all that in order to become a model dad. Ahem should remember that he is still Gopi's husband and only friend. She will never come to him with her problems unless he asks her himself. What Gopi fears to tell Koki because of her anger, she tells Ahem. She asked Ahem for his help to unite RaJi, she took Ahem's help for the achaar thing.. She feels secure with him when he stands by her. But Ahem is so lost in his own world now😕

Maybe this is what Koki sees. Gopi worried and Ahem having no time for her and decides that she has to do something about it.😳
Xarina thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Visit Streak 180 Thumbnail + 7
Posted: 12 years ago
#10

Originally posted by: Justlikethat1


I thought so too Xari😊 It is typical Stockholm Syndrome.. And there should be some psychiatrist who can help Gopi. She has undergone so much abuse and yet she defends and protects her abusers in all possible ways.

I also wanted to know what UrShi are called. Socio paths I think🤔

Sorry. That cup of tea went on forever 😳.
Gopi's behaviour is true to the Stockholm syndrome in every sense of the word. Such is Gopi's brainwashing by these two that she conveniently forgot the mistreatment, the beatings, the beating down of her spirit that she accepts whatever they did and did not even question them. This is the same girl who stood in front of her kanaji and berated him for breaking her dreams yet she cannot bring herself to tell these two witches. Gopi had better wake up to the reality of her past lest it becomes her daughter's future. Meera might not be another Gopi, I hope but can there be a danger of Gopi becoming a jave dena and overlooking what might happen to her own daughter.

Related Topics

Top

Stay Connected with IndiaForums!

Be the first to know about the latest news, updates, and exclusive content.

Add to Home Screen!

Install this web app on your iPhone for the best experience. It's easy, just tap and then "Add to Home Screen".