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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: monalidp

Yeah...cooking and cleaning are not the qualities for someone to fall in love with...but you are very close to the truth. Men DO want their wives to do cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc.😆 If a girlfriend aspires to be a wife someday, she must demonstrate these essential qualities or she has slim chance to succeed.😕 Gopi has much more to her than cooking and cleaning which you are failing to understand. She deserves to be loved for her goodness of heart not for cooking and cleaning. Also, Aham is not 'required' to fall in love with her. Big Deal. She can get much better person that rude Aham Modi. But I am sure he will do it by his on volition when time comes.

The point is Gopi does not sell - she does not have a personality. She offers the housemaid look, in traditional garb and is just "NICE" - a person has to be interesting. This is what no-one here comprehends.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: saomom


Why do you not think I cannot see a different opinion? Of course I can see it! I just don't agree with it. Apparently that makes me intolerant. As long as I agree with you I have tolerance? Rubbish! How about seeing things from my point of view?

I never told you to get out. In fact, this is what I said: If you would like to be a part of this SNS family, I will be the first to welcome you. If you come here only to be argumentative, then we would rather you not visit our little part of the world. No one here has a problem with a different opinion. What we do have a problem with is the way that opinion is delivered. Most of us here prefer to be gracious to each other in our differences. While we may not agree, there is an unspoken respect amongst the members.

We have grown up discussions all the time on this forum. People have differing opinions about Aham and Gopi. Some like Rashi and some don't. Heck, we can't even agree if this show is worth watching! And yet, no one throws a tantrum. The opinions are stated and no one feels attacked.

In the real world, adults speak nicely to each other. They know that when there is a differing opinion, you don't start lashing out and tell people they are intolerant because that only makes you appear to be the intolerant one. We discuss - not accuse.

The accusation of my close mindedness baffles me. I came to this forum with nothing in common with any of the members here. I took a leap of faith and came to help myself learn the language and the customs of the Indian people. By my good fortune, I was embraced by the members here when they had absolutely nothing to gain from welcoming me. I would say the people on this forum have been tolerant beyond measure when dealing with me. I have made blunders and mistakes as I have tried to learn and yet I was still welcomed.

I've been on the internet for over 16 years. One thing I have learned is that when you come to a new place, you lurk for a while to get a handle on the feel of the place. You introduce yourself to other people on the forum. You start off slowly and pretty soon you're part of the group. Here on the forum, the GupShup thread is the best place to introduce yourself - and the best place to meet the other members. Please drop by there and meet the other members of the forum. You may find that they are not the intolerant, close minded group of people you seem to think they are.

ps - tellyaddict's name is Sadhli not TD. And for the record, we would appreciate you treat her with a bit more respect. We happen to love her. And yes, in this instance I am talking for the other members of the forum.

pps - please keep in mind that the reality is, we are talking about a TV show. It's not real! Most of us here are hopeless romantics that want to see Gohem together. We know full well that the Aham character is deeply flawed and so is the Gopi character (along with every other member of MM). We simply don't really care. We just want to see them happy together. We know that the CVs have totally screwed up the characterization and we are trying to figure out how they're going to make this right. So to get so riled up is ridiculous. The brutal truth is that it's all pretend. We just choose to spend a bit of time each day in this pretend world - hoping for a bit of romance to blossom between Gohem.

This is a very patronizing post and I suggest you re-read it. I have been on the internet for over 16 years as well - when we had AOL dial up etc and have used email using Unix (that's before it went web-based). 😛 So what's your point? Suddenly you're an expert in educating me on how to function on a forum? 😆😆😆 Can I see your credentials please?😛
If you come here to do this and that and this is how you need to behave...REALLY, you want me to follow your guide book? Hate to say you might be bit full of yourself here. We are talking about a show but do you see how upset everyone is getting? Whoa!!! You'd think ya'll knew Gopi personally and I was after your bestfriend.
O by the way, I do know the writer of this show and have emailed him. He is a lot more welcoming and I did post this link to him. He was appreciative of it and we had a bit of discussion about it. I wish I could say the same for the poeple here. 😊
Edited by Laila2009 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
#83
@ laila----it seems as if u would like to have the last word........the discussion looks like it's not only about Gopi....
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@laila and how would you know that
Posted: 14 years ago
#85
Hey Laila!
I think (only think) I got your point. You say Gopi is nice, can cook and clean but not interesting right? Wait till Aham falls in love with her. He will find everything about her interesting.
But how is he going to fall in love with her? That's for the CVs to know and for us to wait and watch. But he will surely love her. Yeah maybe he can't share his business stuff and all with her but what to do? You can't have everything perfect na?
My own relatives (my father's side) are villagers and the ladies there are mostly Gopis. But they too (only some) get married to modern and rich businessman from cities and get loved and are happy. She will learn to adjust.
But really can't wait man for Aham to love Gopi and find out the 'interesting' facts about her ;)
Edited by khansk - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
#86
Conclusion on this thread till now is...

Gopi should not be liked coz of following reasons:
1. She JUST Cooks and Cleans.
2. She is A Wimp
3. She is Boring
4. She does not have A Personality.
5. She Is Selfless
6. Naive, Innocent
7. illiterate


But for me Gopi should be liked not just of above qualities but with some....

1. She JUST cooks and cleans....
m not sure is there any gal in this whole world who should not learn Cooking and Cleaning, even if u think to get maid for all cooking but if u urself do not know what to prepare and how to...then ur Maid will Fool u forever......u will have money but does not have any chance to eat what u want to eat in ur way as u do not know how that dish is to be prepared. then there is a Saying "Road to Husband's heart is through his stomach"
and in every day when ur husband wants to have some thing to eat...u'll start entertaining him with all sorts of Seducing looks...will that fulfill his Hunger for food....
nope...coz Bhukh Khaane se mit ti hai Adaao se nahi.............

abt cleaning or i'll say cleanliness....if an individual, let alone be a girl or a boy, does not know cleaning then m sure they will be living in one of the most Unhygienic places in the world.....coz everytime one cant have maids everywhere to clean there house....and there is nothing wrong in cleaning their own home.....

Gandhi ji did it to prove...he himself used to do all his daily cleaning even for others also...
When he was traveling in train, there was a person who was spiting inside the coach and Gandhi ji warned him 2-3 times but he dint stop, so he started cleaning it everytime w/o saying anything and that person was happy that he is making another person cleaning w/o knowing who he was...but when train reached station and he came to know "Gandhi ji was cleaning all the way" he just knee down in front of him....


and if u compare maid doing all cooking and cleaning......then do u consider every House Wife better say "Home Maker" in this world As A Maid....coz they consider their kids, their husband, their home, their Family more than anything else in their Life...

2. Wimp
Being Silent can never be considered as Being Wimp i hv already mentioned it in my older post...
its just Wiser To Be Silent in front of Someone who does not understand what other view points are.....

apt Hindi saying....
Bhains Ke Aage Been Bajaye, Bhais Khadi Paguraye,

Translation:
A Buffalo cant understand ur saying and will react as per its own nature......

Meaning:
instead of wasting ur energy in convincing someone who does not understand it best policy is to Keep quite....

so Being Silent is always the best Policy to not to lead any useless fights.


3. She is boring..
do u want all the wife to be an item girl in front of their husband...so as soon as he wakes up in the morning wife should wish him with dancing and entertaining him by some Hot numbers.....or when he comes back from office wife should again serve him tea withAnother hot shot dance just to prove she is NOT Boring and Entertaining indeed..........
this might be possible and feasible in
few early days of marriage....but as soon as time pass husband wife's relation crosses the limit of just Being Entertaining to Each Other...there should be an understanding, maturity to know more abt ur spouse rather than trying to impress or seduce ur spouse with Ur so called entertainment.

Also....its again a matter of personal liking...one can consider a person as boring and not so intersting coz their liking does not match but some other person will say "that person" one of the most interesting person on the earth....
so Gopi is Good and Interesting for us...coz from her we get to learn "we should NOT react in such ways and in some situations"
and how to keep a Family Happy and Intact.


4. she does not have a personality...
what personality means to u.....just Being Entertainer....or person with good characters.....

U know in hindi there is another saying comparing a needle and a sword...
and if one considers a Needle smaller and weaker than sword then they have to understand Sword always Cuts and Separates the things while Needle always used to Join and to Unite the things.....

so ones looks means outer appearance and it should not be a measure of anyones personality...its always ur Character, ue values, ur nature, Attitude in life, Behavior towards others, how they lead life......ir-respective of their So Called Personality and Good Looks...

Dil Ko Dekho Chehra Na Dekho, Chehre Ne Laakho Ko Luta, Dil Sachha aur Chehra Jhutha.

Surat aur Seerat ke farak ko samajhne me hi bhalayi hai...


5. Being Selfless....
hmm....another good point to show what Gopi is and how she is best....She is Selfless and thinks that her family, her husband and their happiness is more important then anything else........
when she saved her husband from snake, was she forcing herself on him...nope she was selfless to save him w/o thinking of her own safety.....here u can say "What was the need for her to save him if never wanted to force her on him" so here is the difference as she thinks
"Neki kar dariya me Daal" = "Do w/o expectations"
and "things come w/o expectations are always best as there was no expectations"
and our Gopi is same....

she never expects anything in return...she just believes in Doing good as she knows God "her kanha ji is seeing" all this.....and thats true to what ever u do is all seen by God.

6. Naive n Innocent....(in ur words she is stupid)
Being naive is just her character and the reason is her upbringing.....and for me thats her qualities which makes her Unique and Respectable in this Cunning and Clever world......as in todays world each and every person tries to prove them so Smart, Forward and Modern by showing all sort of show off in their life style....which does not make any sense to me...just to show off u are leaving ur roots to which Gopi is closest....being a gal should always be Shy...Sharam Ladkiyo Ka Gehna Hoti hai....

Stupid:
If u succeed in tricking sumone, never think tht the person is a stupid,
Just know that its becoz that person trusted u so much!!!


same is for Gopi....she just trusts everyone and which makes her such character in few people perspective...

7. Illiterate:
as Mona mentioned il-literacy is not a diseases.......then how can an il-literate person can be considered as Worthless....
Education and Being Inteligent are two different things...Gopi does not have education but she is intelligent to convince her family to not make snake drink milk, she is intelligent enough to use her common sense to get rid of Camera man to save Family's pride...

on humanitarioan ground:
Did Aham ever asked her whether she wanted to study...he was a person who never liked a il-literate maid, so cant he ask Gopi whats her wish coz she is HIS WEDDED WIFE.....
If he followed his mom's advice to get marry to Gopi then he should have be a Man and should follow her wish in married life too....
why he never gave Gopi a chance, even when she saved his life he shouted at her saying all this is her show off........so was Aham right then.......
And when poor gal loses all hopes he comes in front of her for dressing her wound, asking her to help him in saving family's pride was not it Aham's double standards...
He should make it clear either NOT to look at her and if he cant resist looking at her then stop acting that he Hates her.....

So in short we should look at Both the Sides of the coin which is Both Gopi and Aham in this Story of SNS....rather than passing the Judgement that Gopi is Worthless and Aham should not fall for her just coz few people dont like her.

Thanks
a lot for ur efforts of making Show's writer to peek in this thread.
I am sure then he will lurk around the forum at least once and will get an dea....
as Loyal Veiwers of SNS what we Love or Hate to Watch...
Edited by -tellyaddict- - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Laila2009

The point is Gopi does not sell - she does not have a personality. She offers the housemaid look, in traditional garb and is just "NICE" - a person has to be interesting. This is what no-one here comprehends.

You are diverting from your original post. Please stick to the point. Here you have made some new points and I am answering those. Gopi DOES sell, she has hundreds of supporters on this forum alone. She DOES have a personality, which is that of a nice, caring and selfless girl. Her traditional garb appeals to 99% of viewers. Her look is NOT that of a housemaid, you don't get housemaids wearing designer sarees/lehengas and expensive jewellery😆 As to being interesting, she does interest 90% of the viewers, there are some who don't like her, but they aren't much bothered with it. If you don't find her interesting, no one can help it. I think you have exhausted your capacity to reason logically and now making random statements. Please stop posting if you don't have anything worthwhile to say. I do not expect any response to this post unless you want to quote individual statements and lash out at me. I won't be responding again. Period.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Laila2009

Gopi and Ahem are NOT what this whole show is about. Telling someone not to watch a show because there are problems with a story line is a very immature response. Again read my post - why should he like Gopi? She did a few "nice" things - great but that does not make a wonderful person. She herself does not want to educate herself (and of course her mother-in-law is to blame as well). And yes, Gopi's personality says she is BORING.


i didnt ask u 2 not watch the show... re read my post if u dont comprehend what i am trying 2 say to u...., i dont think i can put my opinion in a more straightforward way......btw wt are the qualities u feel that gopi should have so dat u feel ahem would fall for her..... if u want i could put it in a more clearer way...... wat are the qualities u find her lacking in???

She whines all the time - her voice is annoying. Also to be outspoke is not equivalent with being rude, disprespectful or respnosible for destroying a family. Neither Ahem nor Kinjal can speak up against their authoratative mother. NEITHER has a right and the whole family works as a team to push them to marry even if they do speak up. Kinjal is begging her mother and the family - do you see them relinquish?

if u feel her voice is annoying u or i cant do a thing bout it..... it's the voice of the actress dat is playing the role.....and the girl is playing the role very well.... i dont think just bcoz of the voice they would be needed 2 replace her......she is being outspoken ...... but in a silent way..... we need not voice out ..... hey as parents they have rights over their children 2 take decisions for them when they do things wrong..... and marriage is a big thing ..... n if the girl or guy whom they would marry does come into the family....and if the mother feels dat she is not right for the family then she can voice it out n if the guy agrees to his mom then he should keep up with ... he shouldnt treat her like unwanted....or something......

Dhawal accepted her because that annoying pressured him into it and he is such a dunce he does not know any better. Just because he agreed to accept her does not mean you have to MARRY that person. Goodness. And NO-ONE, no matter how bad is required to live their life for someone else. You have to learn to live your life for yourself WITHOUT hurting others intentionally what kind of 19th century views are pushing on this forum?

excuse me .... u need not teach me how 2 live my life .... got dat...... according 2 to u...... from wat i get from ur post.... u seem like a person who want all the people in the world 2 be exactly like u..... have opinon exactly like u....n live exactly like u..... others ppl dont have d right 2 live in dis world... as per ur opinion.... if each n everyone having the same qualities will make the whole world boring......
Education and confidence are not important? REALLY - talk about putting yourself and others, including your own children, at a disadvantage.

i m not saying dat they arent important..... it is a necessity...... but wat if ppl dont have them...... u wold go n kill them...... wat kind of narrow mindedness is dis ......

i m an educated girl...... i never said education is not needed..... n did i say dat i would not let my children get educated???? huh???? try be broad minded n not narrow minded dat only education n being moden is important okay?????





Humbleness is NOT a compensation for a BORING/ZERO personality. Excuse me BUT there are a number of people who are modern who have great qualities and a FABULOUS personality. Traditional, boring, illiterate people do not EQUATE with goodness. Neither does passiveness. And these are NOT the qualities that make you want to marry someone. How does THAT create chemistry or make someone interesting to know?


not all modern ppl are literate n not all traditional ppl are illiterate...i feel dat u have got the mindset dat traditonal ppl are illiterate n boring n modern ppl are literate n entertaining...... we dont disrespect ur opinion... pls dont try 2 change our opinions n mindset...

Originally posted by: Laila2009

Who the heck does stand up to their parents for each and everything? We need to stand up only if each and everything they do is wrong!!! And parents like should not be having kids if they do each and everything wrong. By the way, you need to live your life for yourself. You need to learn to form your OWN opinions, ideas and viewpoints. Parents and husbands are not there 24/7 and if you cannot think for yourself or learn from your own actions, how do you plan to survive in this world? Do you always plan to be a child? Helpless, indecisive and lost?


ppl do stand up for each n everything.... for example kinjal on d show.... n i have a real life example for that too.... who spoiled her life trying 2 stand up for everything..... who is now suffering a lot.... n who r u 2 say dat parents shouldnt have kids...... n one more thing..... i dont think parents will try 2 spoil their life making wrong decisions for children......parents would want the best for their children....... i do have my own opinion ideas n viewpoints n i follow them....n dat wat i mstating here.... u r d one who is trying very very hard to change our opinions n viewpoints n evrything......we do think for ourselves n learn from it ... u need not teach us...... n who r u 2 ask me how to survive in dis world... n have u seen me in real life dat u r saying dat i m a child , who is helpless indecisive or lost..... i do make my own decisions i do stand up 2 my parents if they make any mistake..... i m not a helpless indecisive child....... sorry if i m being rude ..... but i cant help.it... u have gotten on my nerves..... shut up about commenting on my personal life n on my view points.... i dont like ppl advicing me 2 change myself got dat........u need not comment on my personal life......


u gave out ur opinion on the characters.... if u want 2 help the cv's 2 make a character change do email d cv's ..... nobody is forcing u not to.... we gave out our opinions.... u cant consider them as a viewpoint n consider them as personal attacks then it's ur problem ......


bubye i dont think i can talk anymore 2 u.... since u seem like a person who only wants ppl 2 have ur opinion..... u dont buy other ppl's opinion.... it's either ur way or the highway.... so bubye take care... n yeah hope u get 2 meet ppl who do agree with u.....


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: monalidp

You are diverting from your original post. Please stick to the point. Here you have made some new points and I am answering those. Gopi DOES sell, she has hundreds of supporters on this forum alone. She DOES have a personality, which is that of a nice, caring and selfless girl. Her traditional garb appeals to 99% of viewers. Her look is NOT that of a housemaid, you don't get housemaids wearing designer sarees/lehengas and expensive jewellery😆 As to being interesting, she does interest 90% of the viewers, there are some who don't like her, but they aren't much bothered with it. If you don't find her interesting, no one can help it. I think you have exhausted your capacity to reason logically and now making random statements. Please stop posting if you don't have anything worthwhile to say. I do not expect any response to this post unless you want to quote individual statements and lash out at me. I won't be responding again. Period.

Actually she doesn't have a personality. She is not interesting as a person. Not in the slighest. There is a saying, "humbleness does not compensate for a boring personality." Does she display wit, humor, smartness, etc? These do not have to equate with being cunning and malicious. In India we assume niceness equates with an interesting personality. Not the case here. She appeals to a particular audience in India who like her - I made this point in my initial post - do take a look. It might appeal to a particular group but we are assuming that it what appeals in general. Doesn't matter about her "look" - she cooks and cleans and if those are the characteristics that sell, then every man in India would fall in love with a housemaid. She appeals to the people of this forum. That's it. You cannnot say 99% of viewers since you never did a statistical count.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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ppl do stand up for each n everything.... for example kinjal on d show.... n i have a real life example for that too.... who spoiled her life trying 2 stand up for everything..... who is now suffering a lot.... n who r u 2 say dat parents shouldnt have kids...... n one more thing..... i dont think parents will try 2 spoil their life making wrong decisions for children......parents would want the best for their children....... i do have my own opinion ideas n viewpoints n i follow them....n dat wat i mstating here.... u r d one who is trying very very hard to change our opinions n viewpoints n evrything......we do think for ourselves n learn from it ... u need not teach us...... n who r u 2 ask me how to survive in dis world... n have u seen me in real life dat u r saying dat i m a child , who is helpless indecisive or lost..... i do make my own decisions i do stand up 2 my parents if they make any mistake..... i m not a helpless indecisive child....... sorry if i m being rude ..... but i cant help.it... u have gotten on my nerves..... shut up about commenting on my personal life n on my view points.... i dont like ppl advicing me 2 change myself got dat........u need not comment on my personal life......


u gave out ur opinion on the characters.... if u want 2 help the cv's 2 make a character change do email d cv's ..... nobody is forcing u not to.... we gave out our opinions.... u cant consider them as a viewpoint n consider them as personal attacks then it's ur problem ......


bubye i dont think i can talk anymore 2 u.... since u seem like a person who only wants ppl 2 have ur opinion..... u dont buy other ppl's opinion.... it's either ur way or the highway.... so bubye take care... n yeah hope u get 2 meet ppl who do agree with u.....

Sounds to me that you have never had your views challenged before that's why you are being rude and telling me to shut up. Er, that is not a viewpoint but a personal attack. Kinjal could not stand up to her mother as she is authoratative. She wanted to marry Umang so she lied. It backfired in the end. And what happened, no-one got what she wanted and they're pushing her to marry someone else. Kinjal is not a likeable young girl but no-one deserves to be pushed into a marriage no matter how nice they are. Parents might think they want what is best for their child but that does not include the person with whom they must spend the rest of their lives including sleeping with them.
You use your personal life in this debate on a thread started by me, but you do not want me to respond. Is that not rather hypocritical?
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