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Posted: 14 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: bips




But then isn't that exactly like the chaturs - As long as you understand us, agree with us, we will behave well with you otherwise we will yell and scream. So her dad agrees with her, so she is ok with him but her mom doesn't so she is subject to tantrums.

The trust issue is obviously there but toasty is eligible for minimum respect. Who gave them the right to throw out toasty from the home ? After marriage the girl considers her sasural her home ... No one has the right to evict you from your house ... If someone can do that, then it means it was not your home to begin with ... They didn't listen, didn't talk except make accusations and throw her out.

... And for that Toasty should be angry at them not her parents. The chaturs don't trust women. They are essentially punishing her for malti's past actions. Why should she jump around in hoops to earn respect and make up for something that happened when she wasn't even there.
These are not children. They are grown up adults. Why should toasty excuse their despicable behaviour in the name of understanding but refuse to understand her mother's anger or her sister's pain.

Toasty may say the right words now and then but she is essentially a typical doormat. She doesn't mind doing all the work, getting verbally abused as long as at the end of the day somebody gives a few scraps of kindness.

You want to be Mahaan for your sasural ? Fine ... go ahead! ... But that does not mean you get a free reign to rant at your mayka. If you cannot answer back to the people who misbehave with you then you have no right to turn around and yell at the people who defend you.



I agree with both the view presented here but I am more inclined towards Bips. I mean if I were in toasty's position I would not be a doormat for my sasural people to walk on whenever they want. I am a human being and I expect minimum courtesy from my sasural.

When a girl gets married then there should be a minimum trust and respect that the sasural people should bestow on the newly married girl. Fine the Chaturs had issues with women in the past. But did they even ponder as to what might have gone wrong there. Nope. Instead all they do is to emotionally torture(talking rudely and purposefully taunting people for any and every small mistake of theirs counts as torture to me) their new bride and voila what does our bride do. She takes every insult and every rude comment saar ankhoon pe. You know sometimes I hate these things in Indian serials. It is like they reinforce the mentality of Indian common people that the new daughter-in-law should bear every hardship with a smile and earn the trust of her in-laws. Hey what about you people cutting some slack for the new girl. No sireee, the DIL has to slog long hours, put up with indifferent behavior, pacify everybody in the house for no mistake and don't ever put forth your wish.

And the moment Sudha or Dimple take Toasty's side and try to defend her rights which she should have done in the first place, she is like all mahaan and she scolds them. Why what for. Because they are speaking for you when you should have done it. At this point I would be majorly disappointed if they show Toasty crawling back to her sasural to do their menial work without the family giving her the proper apology. Let me see what the creatives show then.

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Posted: 14 years ago
#12

Toasty knows the malti's case and what all Tejs family has gone through so she understands them and their pain. And since Toasty's family are unaware of it she tries to stop them for saying anything against as they don't know the truth.Since she can't share their truth with them she tries to shut them off.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: scinerd

Think what would happen if our mothers acted like our house was their workplace. Our moms do everything for us, with little complaints. Imagine if they stood up and say you are treating me liek a slave. I cook and clean with little thanks you. I will not take this treatment, I am leaving. Wouldn't the family break? Toasty role in that house, is not of a daughter in law, it is of a sister and a mother. That's why I think Toasty acts like the way she does. Anyways this is getting to long and I am treating a fictional show likes its real life. This show offers such great discussions though. I wait for your response bips.




But scinerd, thats exactly what i am saying - moms SHOULD stand up and say all that ... this is the problem ... We treat the women of the house as crap ... Problems at work - go home at yell at the wife, problems in school - go and take it out on the mom. If everything in the house functions like clockwork no one says good job but one thing goes wrong and everyone descends on the woman of house screaming and shouting ... Why is holding the family together become the same as tolerating bad behaviour ?

The chaturs did the same thing to toasty ... anything goes wrong, bang! she is responsible and now toasty is doing this to her mother ... Why should the mother be the dumping can for all frustrations and anger ???

My point is simple - if toasty wants to be all goody-goody and understand everyone's pain and problems maybe she should extend the same courtesy to her mother and her sister. If she puts up with the chaturs arrogance without replying back then she should deal with her mother's protectiveness in the same way ...

I have seen it happen many times - in order to gel in with the new family, girls don't mind disrespecting their own because they know that their birth family will always stick by her, They will never leave her or abandon her. So shouldn't this be the reason to think more about their feelings rather than less ?

Whatever the chaturs past might have been, they owed her minimum level of respect as the daughter in law of the house. She should be angry at their high handedness. Instead she chooses to lash out at the very people who defend her thereby indirectly insulting them.

Of course in the serial they will show that after all this and many such similar incidents later on in the story, the family comes to trust her and respect her. But in real life its just the opposite, When you let someone walk over you once, they will do it again and again. You have to put your hand up and say stop! you have no right to talk to me like this, i deserve better.

You are right though, the show offers such great discussions and its fun debating with intelligent people.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Exactly dear... Well said. Either she thinks they are outsiders or she is dumb and blind in Tej's love that she does not see what bad they did to her... I did not appreciate her attitude when She quit her job for the happiness of the family. They show her like a slave forget about a maid (they get paid) in the house. I agree doing your own house work is not being a slave but come on 7 men who behave as if they are each prince of wales...

Even the way she keeps saying " I know why you did not vote for me Tej" ... come on now stop being mahaan and be realistic... Any kind of human being treated that way gets angry... Toasty, forget about anger, self respect, ... she is right now showing nothing.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: scinerd

I agree with Preeti and Julie. I think that Toasty is far more understanding and rational. I know Toasty sister and mom love her, but being mad will not fix anything. And Toasty still needs to earn the Chaturs trust. She doesn't have it yet. She is still a newly married bride. This show is about her transition. She is yelling at her mom and sister, so they don't let their anger mess it up. Notice how she never yells at her dad. cause her dad gets it.

Very well written. I do not understand why some people takes this serial as female rights platform. It was about a girl trying to balance between various real life conflicts and showing how best to make the marriage a real mariage where two families bond together.
Yelling, abusing, walking out with your husband is the easiest option - what is great in that!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: akash08

Very well written. I do not understand why some people takes this serial as female rights platform. It was about a girl trying to balance between various real life conflicts and showing how best to make the marriage a real mariage where two families bond together.
Yelling, abusing, walking out with your husband is the easiest option - what is great in that!!




This serial or any other is no platform. We are just discussing our ideas. Debating, discussing is good for mental health you know. As for female rights - they are first to vanish into thin air in a marriage especially an indian marriage.


Yelling, abusing, walking out with your husband is the easiest option - what is great in that!!
Yelling, abusing, throwing out your wife is the easiest option - and that is what the chaturs did. How great is that! and then lets leave it to the abused girl to balance all the conflicts without anyone else taking an iota of responsibility.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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you are so right...toasty has no self respect and tej is not spporting you then why be so MAHAAN...this is what i dont like about all these shows...the bahus ia always potrayed to be MAHAAN and sacrificing and then in real life the sasuralwala's expect you to be like that tooo...then we have to remind them that it is a show and she gets paid to do all of that sacrifice...
no one in real life can only cook and clean the entire day and only try to please the inlaws even when they abuse you...
its jsut disgusting!!!!!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: bips




But scinerd, thats exactly what i am saying - moms SHOULD stand up and say all that ... this is the problem ... We treat the women of the house as crap ... Problems at work - go home at yell at the wife, problems in school - go and take it out on the mom. If everything in the house functions like clockwork no one says good job but one thing goes wrong and everyone descends on the woman of house screaming and shouting ... Why is holding the family together become the same as tolerating bad behaviour ?

The chaturs did the same thing to toasty ... anything goes wrong, bang! she is responsible and now toasty is doing this to her mother ... Why should the mother be the dumping can for all frustrations and anger ???

My point is simple - if toasty wants to be all goody-goody and understand everyone's pain and problems maybe she should extend the same courtesy to her mother and her sister. If she puts up with the chaturs arrogance without replying back then she should deal with her mother's protectiveness in the same way ...

I have seen it happen many times - in order to gel in with the new family, girls don't mind disrespecting their own because they know that their birth family will always stick by her, They will never leave her or abandon her. So shouldn't this be the reason to think more about their feelings rather than less ?

Whatever the chaturs past might have been, they owed her minimum level of respect as the daughter in law of the house. She should be angry at their high handedness. Instead she chooses to lash out at the very people who defend her thereby indirectly insulting them.

Of course in the serial they will show that after all this and many such similar incidents later on in the story, the family comes to trust her and respect her. But in real life its just the opposite, When you let someone walk over you once, they will do it again and again. You have to put your hand up and say stop! you have no right to talk to me like this, i deserve better.

You are right though, the show offers such great discussions and its fun debating with intelligent people.



what you are saying is very true. Its the sad reality of a female. We are expected to do so much. I guess that has always been the role and when we break away from that problems are caused. That does not mean it shouldn't change, it should. But I think it should be more gradual than dramatic. Today we see a lot of divorces and families getting broken up because of that. I agree that the Chaturs need to adjust too, the daughter in law cannot be expected to carry the entire burden.

Your point is true, Toasty should be nicer to her mom and her sister. She does take her family for granted. Today she was nice, but her mom isn't getting it. It's understandable. I just wish her mom opened up her mind a bit.

Todays mom are different than our nanis. Todays mom do not take anything against their daughters. Our moms all had to make so many adjustments, they don't want their daughters to do that. Thus you get Shobhas(maltis mom) and Sudhas. Both mothers make rotis for their household with no complaints, but all of a sudden its so wrong that their daughters have to. This is true in the real world too. Its important to teach your daughter self respect and how to fight for herself. I think our society just forgot about teaching them how to adjust in a family anymore.

I personally think that only a good father figure can teach a women how to survive in a mans world. This is not always the case, but there have been many successful women, who have had great fathers in their lives. If a dad, the girls first man in her life, gives his daughter freedom( as did Toastys dad), that girl can face anything. Many names come to my mind, Bensizar Bhuto, Beyonce, Christy Clark( first female premier of BC) etc. I haven't read much about other female leaders but I hazard a guess that its similar. Again, this father figure thing is sufficient but not necessary. A woman, in my opinion can rule the world, but does she have to do it like a man? I personally don't think so. agian we can have a huge debate about this and go on and on lol.

But the point of my post is that I hope Optiymytix continutes to handle this with great care and not go the "makeover" route and ruin Toasty character by her acting completely different. There should be a growth in character but not a change!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: scinerd

I agree with Preeti and Julie. I think that Toasty is far more understanding and rational. I know Toasty sister and mom love her, but being mad will not fix anything. And Toasty still needs to earn the Chaturs trust. She doesn't have it yet. She is still a newly married bride. This show is about her transition. She is yelling at her mom and sister, so they don't let their anger mess it up. Notice how she never yells at her dad. cause her dad gets it.

That may be because she is always short with her mom and sis.
I guess our society imbibes the patriarchal respect and no value for mom??
Well, this is what she will get from her children. What goes around comes around.
Her dad is always quiet and never takes a stand.
Just go a lil beyond this storyline. May girls have ended up dead due to their parents not questioning their inlaws behavioue and encouraging daughters to stay on and make it work.
Maybe themom is afraid of that and maybe father is just not upto taking a stand.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Sorry sweeties, I disagree with both of you, Toasty is more or a Lalit Kumar Sharma's daughter than Sudha Lalitkumar Sharma's. She is a peace loving person and a very sensible and mature girl, which is very very difficult to find in this days and times. I understand Dimple's attitude and her reactions, but Shudha's acts like duplicate Shobha(Malti's Mom). And now she is trying to get in touch with her, hope she does not spoil Toasty's future by interfering in wrong way. All parents are concerned with their children's future. Specially mothers and mothers are emotional they take decision with heart and not heads. But by now Sudha should have calmed down and try to understand her daughter and stand by her. If Malti had done the same thing instead of listening to her mom, she probably would have been in a better situation.

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