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Abhijit Kulkarni

@kabhi_21

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Posted: 18 years ago

#101

Originally posted by: simplyskud

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Psychedelic Delusions

@simplyskud

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Posted: 18 years ago

#102

Originally posted by: kabhi_21

u r mixing the two points of calling a legend and absolute truth😊

Nope I'm not mixing anything ... when I refer to the absolute truth I talk of Khayyam's compositions and his immortality that has allowed him to remain in the public memory ... that's why he is a legend ...

I'm not even sure you're getting me ... Just to make my point clear - Even if Gandhiji wasn't declared the father of the nation he would still be a legend, Rabindranath Tagore is a legend on account of his accomplishments not for his nobel prize ... so on and so forth. Most of the titles, awards and dedications are not decided by the public but are imposed .... the accomplishments of these legends speak for themselves after they have left the scene ... the immortality of their work establishes them as legends ....

Let's rest in peace - Khayyam Saab is a legend for his legendary compositions and you may not like Khayyam Saab's music and I stand by it ...

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funforfunonly

@funforfunonly

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Posted: 18 years ago

#103

I think this one is superb debate, I don't know where to start from
But there are a few point I would like to make..
Firstly its not number we should be talking about nor percentage, there is no mathematics to Legendary position.
A legend who survives years after years and is remembered by all for whatever great and little work he has done.
ID has not done too much work but two of his films, Hum Dil De Chuke.. and Devdas he has given very good music, so he is a good composer. Whether he will be a legend or not only time shall tell.
There were really great actors in the era of Dilip Kumar, Balraj sahani was one, and there have been a lot.
Will you not call the legends cause they have not done a lot of work?
Somebody rightly mentioned Gulzar the director, less films but awesome films…
Forget that Anand Bakshi wrote songs in numbers but Gulzar the poet, the lyricist shall always be a bigger legend then him. But nothing to take away from Anand Bakshi.
There are always two types of artist and the debate is always gonna be there, who is better? One who is classic, Satyajit Rai for instance or one who is more, commercial, is a wrong word, but more colloquial, David dhavan for instance, or Himesh, they will have their following but remembrance for long is doubtful.
How much ever Gulshan Grower or Shakti Kapoor succeed but Pran shall remain Pran.

The new generation and old generation debate about who is better is never gonna die..

Who is a better player? Federer or Bjorn Borg?
Can you define this? Borg never had the equipments available today, the racket federer uses or the golf clubs used by tiger woods are far more superior then those used by earlier counter parts. What if they had similar facilities?
The argument is never ending..
For me its simple, Respect all who are good artist successful or not, consistency is the key and define whom you like but don't disrespect some one who you don't and others do..
There will be a very few Amitabh Bacchans Lataji and Ashajis who can perform years after years, genre after genre and all possible different styles but sanjeev kumars and khayyams are legends too, whether one likes them or not one can not deny them.

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punjini

@punjini

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Posted: 18 years ago

#104

Originally posted by: simplyskud

Infact when we listen to Khayyam's music, we probably understand the phrase "poetry in motion" .... whether it be Ghalib, Daagh, Wali Saheb, Sahir and others .....

Awesome poetry with soulful melodious compositions .... what more can one ask for in any kind of music ?

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So Khayyam has used Mubarak Begum and Suman Kalyanpur also. Do you happen to have the MP3s for any of these songs? I remember "itna husn pe huzoor" as another lovely song.

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punjini

@punjini

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Posted: 18 years ago

#105

Looks like Khayyam has composed a number of songs in Pahadi raag:
Kabhi kabhi mere dil mein
Jaane kya dhoondti rehti hain
Tum apna ranjh o gham
Simti hui yeh ghadiyan

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joyce

@joypaul

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Posted: 18 years ago

#106

The article is mainly on Khayyam-Rafi-Talat, but here we have gone into 16 pages discussing who is a legend between Khayyam Saab & ID.

Are Mohd Rafi & Talat ko bhi due credits do bhai.

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rocker1

@rocker1

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Posted: 18 years ago

#107

Originally posted by: simplyskud
Legend n. an extremely well known, famous, celebrated, renowned person - This definition even makes Rakhi Sawant, Narendra Modi, Shiv Sena, Shilpa Shetty and every other Bollywood star a legend as well ... they're well known, famous and have their own fan following as well whether it be front benchers or bench warmers ....

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Now should I post the definitions for celebrated and renowned as well? Yaar itna to khud samajh liya karo. If you still don't know the meanings of those words, then I'll be happy to post them for you. After that, you wouldn't mention all these people you have.

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rocker1

@rocker1

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Posted: 18 years ago

#108

Originally posted by: chatbuster
Walmart is legendary, yes. Not because they sell great products or sell them at low prices. But because they have been around for longer than any other similar chain, and they are still going strong. And, to follow the dictionary meaning, it's a very famous and renowned chain.
lol. are you saying you consider their product to be of legendary value? arent we confusing good business strategy with good product now?😆

I think you're confused now. I have never called their product legendary. I even clarified I'm not talking about their product. I'm talking about the brand that is Walmart - something that is borne out by the fact that it is a Fortune 500 company worth $100 billion. If you still don't understand, let's just leave it here. I don't want to waste my time arguing about Walmart.

As for absolute truths - nothing that isn't proven scientifically beyond doubt is absolute. Subjective opinions are definitely not absolute.

just an example to show why you are wrong. "killing is wrong" is considered in an absolute sense. it's not subject to personal opinions. yet it's nothing we can test out in a lab, can we?😛😆

Killing is not absolutely wrong. Depends on what you are killing. Majority of people don't find killing animals wrong, but PETA does. Death-penalty opponents feel killing murderers is wrong, but laws still allow it. Killing for self-defense is not wrong, according to laws. In the end, it's laws that define whether something is wrong or not - and yes, they are subjective. The only absolute laws are those based on theology (although people even find reason to doubt those).

It's unfortunate how people only equate scienctific evidence with lab testing. Science is a study of the world and everything around you - and not just restricted to labs and white coats. That you are your mother's son is evident when she gives bith to you - you don't need to carry out a DNA test to be absolutely sure. (By 'you' I don't mean you in particular - it's just a pattern of speech).

oh, and for the kid who flunks on his essay, sure that's his teacher's subjective opinion, isnt it? but for the kid that's an absolute reality😉

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I've had enough of this debate. I know you will want the last word as always, and I don't care - you can have it. I don't need to speak loudest or longest or last in order to know I've made my point.

Edited by shadyhtown - 18 years ago

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Anuradha Ravi

@Anuradha

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Posted: 18 years ago

#109

Members are asked not to go very personal while debating.. All those posts which were made after the note by Barnalidi and had personal attacks have been trashed.. Members are again requested not to go personal while discussing the topics and go off topic..

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