Khayyam-Rafi-Talat : Those inside stories - Page 10

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

Kisi shayar ne yeh sher likha thaa:
Izzat use mili jo watanse nikal gaya
Woh phool dalimey chara jo chaman se nikal gaya

Kitna sahi hai yeh sher, Jab koi MD budha ho jata to woh legend ho jata... jab koi composer kaam karna band kar deta to woh legend ban jata... Waqt rahte log qadar nahin karte... Kal jisne 4-5 hit songs diye woh aaj legend ban gayen.... aane wale din mein Himesh bhi legend kahlayega...

probably. but i'd guess more for churning out hits than for turning out memorable songs. even his die-hard fans will probably not be able to count off the 36 hits he keeps talking about. and that when those songs have all been so recent and should theoretically be fresh in their memory.

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

@ ABHI-KABHI

Is Himesh's first album whatever it was, still as popular as kabhie Kabhie / Umrao jaan made decades ago Abhijit?

Legends usually give TIMELESS CLASSICS that span DECADES..and their fans usually also cover a wide age range. If and when Himesh succeeds at that, I may consider him. Until then, I will not confuse him with any legend/ maestro / whatever fancy wrd someone wants to wikied / google.

I never said Himesh is a legend.... and i never said Khayyam is not a legend.... I said for me he is not a legend it was my personal choice or taste or opinion😃

I also saw you mention PhD and awards.. Degrees, awards, rewards don't always give recognition to a legend. How many did madan Mohan win? Their REWARD and AWARD is their Timeless popularity.
Poeple like Himesh and ID fail to gather attention of a substantial percentage of listeners of their own era.. How far do you think their "aapki khaatir" "Fanaa fanaa yeh dil hua fanaa" "zoom zoom .. blah blah blah" will go on for?? 2 years? 3?? 7?? Kabhie kabhie is over 30 year old! That's the point according to me!! You weren't even born when it was out, and you know the song by-heart, don't you?

that is because my ID is kabhi 😆 JK.... okkk i never said Himesh and ID are legends.... 😕... I just put across my opinion that I just like very few songs of Khayyam and hence for me I would nt consider him a legend... as I believe in quality and consistency.... which i have already clarified with Amitabh and Asha example.... 😃

I talked of awards because of the word absolute truth.... award is necessary to make it absolute truth... till then its just opinion or feeling 😃

Originally posted by: kabhi_21

Taking your example... let me tell... those who feel Gandhiji did a mistake dont think he is a legend.... and those who followed Ahimsa path dont think that Bhagat Singh is a legend... there is always two sides to the coin... also they have been declared by government as main freedom fighters and have been given credit by having smaraks and putting their pictures in sansad as a token of appreciation.... whether the freedom fighters who are nt given such recognition called legendary???

Anybody conferring an award to someone is also an imposed one .... it's not you or me or the general public who's taking a decsion ... it's only few people who make this call ... none of these are the entire nation's decision ....

All these smaraks and pictures of appreciation - who takes the decision for these ? The polticians and few people who have been given legal rights to make the decisions or is it based on public opinion. So again these makes for a imposed decision ...

Yes but it does nt make it absolute truth... its just a feeling of appreciation from the lovers of his music... it cant be imposed on all😃

In that case, I don't accept any decision that has been made in the name of bharat ratna or filmfare awards or be it any damn pictures on the wall - all of them are imposed and never happened with my selection preference ...

Well I never brought up the issue fo himmy being legend... it was brought by someone else.... I know he cant be a legend... atleast i dont hear all of his music so for me he cant be a legend... but its possible that for his fans he will be😃

We'll see that 50 years from now .... to early to take any call on the immortality of Himesh's music ...

no I will give my real life example now. We were studying in college and all the first four from our class were girls... when we went ahead for CA studies, we had the same facilties in 12th and for CA.... but me and my friend cleared CA before this ladies.... though facilities for us were the same but the facilities were less than we had in collage as its correspondence course... we had joined same classes... the environment was different... it was tougher... and that is when me and my friends confidence worked... now I wonder if level of talent changes at different time zones tht is over 3-4 years

I have different kinds of examples as well but then let not get into giving exceptions as examples ....

Originally posted by: kabhi_21

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

3 out of 50, I am changing it to 7 out of 50(14%).... hit music... ID gave 3 out of 6-7(45-50%) movies with memorable songs.... Then who should be the LEGEND first??? But I know right now whoever supporting Khayyam saheb for small number of hit songs will start bashing ID....

Jadoo bhaiyya aap mera post phirase padhiye -- I am not debating on whether he should be called as legend. All I am saying is that what makes me admire him most is music of his few movies. And I just gave example of 3 films, there are more like Kabhie Kabhie.. And these all are not even hits.. Razia Sultan, all I know, may not be a musically hit movie like Umrao Jaan and Kabhie Khabhie.

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

3 out of 50, I am changing it to 7 out of 50(14%).... hit music... ID gave 3 out of 6-7(45-50%) movies with memorable songs.... Then who should be the LEGEND first??? But I know right now whoever supporting Khayyam saheb for small number of hit songs will start bashing ID....

Originally posted by: punjini

I would say 15 out of his 50 films were memorable, so it comes to 30% which is not a small percentage.

I have already mentioned this before. I do not know of any music personality, including Lata-ji/Asha-ji whose memorable work percentage are higher than 20-30%. Ashaji may have sung 20000 songs (all languages) but we all know her for her 2000-3000 songs and that is only 10-15%. If we take a list of every song, in a random order, that Ashaji ever sung for all Hindi movies in 50 odd years, it will take some time for us to spot the ones we know and remember her for, I bet.

Originally posted by: simplyskud

Yes, Khayyam Saab's composition from the movie Mohabbat Isko Kehte Hain ...

The songs were ...

Aji Tum Kitne Haseen Ho - Asha Bhosle, Humse Hoti Mohabbat Jo - Mukesh and Asha Bhosle, Itna Husn Pe Guroor Na - Mukesh, Jo Tumpe Guzarti Hai - Suman Kalyanpur, Mehfil Mein Aap Aaye - Mubarak Begum and Suman Kalyanpur, Meri Nigaah Ne - Mohammed Rafi, Thahriye Hosh Mein Aaloon - Mohammed Rafi and Suman Kalyanpur

Infact when we listen to Khayyam's music, we probably understand the phrase "poetry in motion" .... whether it be Ghalib, Daagh, Wali Saheb, Sahir and others .....

Awesome poetry with soulful melodious compositions .... what more can one ask for in any kind of music ?

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