Dearth of Music Directors, not Singers - Page 12

Originally posted by: a406a4

You cannot compose melody without rhythm, because all music is based on rhythm. It is the most fundamental aspect of music. The rhythm itself need not be played out on a percussion or sequenced on a music production software, but it is the very aspect musical composition concerned with periodical accent and the duration of notes.

That is exactly what I meant.

Of course you cannot compose music without both rhythm and melody. I never said you could! But one without the other is like body without soul. Periodic accent I agree. What I meant was percussion-based rhythm, which is nothing but a set of beats. Cardio-beats, aerobics 'music' and the like. Whatever else one might say, I don't consider that as music in the true sense.

Originally posted by: T.

That is exactly what I meant.

Since discussion is revolving around past and present music...it will be interesting to see how people develop musical tastes...Generally whatever we are exposed to as a child and later on, we automatically develop taste for it..I feel it is like taste of foods..we love our food and may not like other foods since we are not used to it..
But we generally develop liking for other kinds of music/food as we grow and get exposed to other food/music..Eastern music takes you inside and make you more focussed and can be really be soulful..Western music in general has been thought of as distracting your mind and more help you to physically jump(good for work out)

Yoga has been rediscovered by West and it is becoming popular in India and abroad..because it connects you to your inner self..For whatever reasons, we tend to follow the west and have hard time discovering good things in our culture by ourselves..Now yoga is much more popular after west liked it..

Lot of people are anxious about the kind of music that is being made today and worries that people will forget our rich culture in music and the need to save our heritage..I feel exposing the new generation to our rich past is the way to go and they will automatically develop taste for it.. because our taste keep on changing.(we may be fixed to a certain taste during a certain age group because of several reasons) but as people become mature and their minds are more flexible and open to other good things..they are likely to change..

I personally feel, just melody will not work with most music lovers in India anymore. There will always bea group who would give melody the prominence , but the majority will go for good "beat" tracks.

The reason is simple.Now thanks to globalisation, so many TV channels have been introduced, and westeren music has been given a very warm welcome. Most pop , rock, reggae numbers are based on beats and most music lovers across the nation identify with this.

Today, how danceable the tracks are,is what determines how popular a number is. So,current MD's have no choice but to cater to this fad now. Discotheques, a distant unknown of the past is today's reality. The pubs would any day prefer rocking bands than soulful melody.

So before a revolt is made against the MD's, the first step one can do is begin the execrcise right at home.One fine day expecting the kids to listen to melody is not practical..Slowly and steadily, the focus of the kids should be turned towards melody and that should be done in tact by the parents.

An ideal just cannot be just forced on a generation, it has to be made palatable enough to have it accepted.

Originally posted by: Ethnos

Of course you cannot compose music without both rhythm and melody. I never said you could! But one without the other is like body without soul. Periodic accent I agree. What I meant was percussion-based rhythm, which is nothing but a set of beats. Cardio-beats, aerobics 'music' and the like. Whatever else one might say, I don't consider that as music in the true sense.

That again comes back to the issue of taste or personal choice. To me, percussion is a different form of music and I do not think of it as a regression in music evolution.

Originally posted by: punjini

Yes, it is important for a musician to have an audience. But a musician who composes only with the audience or market in mind, ultimately lowers his/her value. The music will not sound true. A true musician is one who will compose or play irrespective of whether someone is listening or not. He/she has to give vent to his creative feelings. Usually, such a musician will find an audience sooner or later.

I agree. But, that musician will only find an audience when the market is ready for his/her kind of music again.

Originally posted by: Sur_Sangam

Since discussion is revolving around past and present music...it will be interesting to see how people develop musical tastes...Generally whatever we are exposed to as a child and later on, we automatically develop taste for it..I feel it is like taste of foods..we love our food and may not like other foods since we are not used to it..
But we generally develop liking for other kinds of music/food as we grow and get exposed to other food/music..

I agree completely.

Musical tastes and choices are acquired depending on the number of times one hears the song or songs of a genre or Country.

Sahanaji, nice topic.

I did not go through all pages, at pg. 17 I see a conflict betwen good melody and good beat/rhythm. I won't lie, I love to listen to both/I have been listening to both for ages.

What I feel is music with good beat/rhythm lives in its own time, while song with good melody is timeless.

I still believe this issue is being made more serious than it is. Today's music may be different than those of yesteryear's but that doesn't make it any less.

What is music? A line of strings? A bunch of keys? Metal on metal? Wood on leather?

These are simple natural elements which when put together simply create a sound. Like someone said, if you like the sound, it's music. If you don't like it, it's noise. The key word here is you. You are the decider of your own tastes. There is no expert committee set up to decide what is true music and what is crap. Whether it's a nightingale chirping or a crow cawing.

Who first determined that a harmonium gives good music? A listener of those times. What was a harmonium considered before that? A useless box that gave out sounds. If people had not accepted the harmonium, we wouldn't be hearing music from it today. Same for guitars, violins, pianos, etc.

I find it extremely prudish that certain people take it upon themselves to decide what is true music and what is crap. It may be crap to you - but it isn't for other people. Learn to respect other tastes and choices. People talk all the time about being open to other cultures, other races, other religions - apply the same to music preferences. No music is officially good or bad - it's your personal opinion.

I am open to anything that sounds good, and I don't discriminate based on the singer, musician, or era. I have both the CDs for The Golden Sixties and Dance Night 21 in my car. I listen to both and enjoy songs in both CDs. And there are some songs that I don't like in either CD. Yes, I feel that songs in yesteryears had beautiful lyrics, but that is my opinion, and I won't declare that today's songs have lousy lyrics - just that I don't like them as much. But others may.

Originally posted by: shadyhtown

I still believe this issue is being made more serious than it is. Today's music may be different than those of yesteryear's but that doesn't make it any less.

What is music? A line of strings? A bunch of keys? Metal on metal? Wood on leather?

These are simple natural elements which when put together simply create a sound. Like someone said, if you like the sound, it's music. If you don't like it, it's noise. The key word here is you. You are the decider of your own tastes. There is no expert committee set up to decide what is true music and what is crap. Whether it's a nightingale chirping or a crow cawing.

Who first determined that a harmonium gives good music? A listener of those times. What was a harmonium considered before that? A useless box that gave out sounds. If people had not accepted the harmonium, we wouldn't be hearing music from it today. Same for guitars, violins, pianos, etc.

I find it extremely prudish that certain people take it upon themselves to decide what is true music and what is crap. It may be crap to you - but it isn't for other people. Learn to respect other tastes and choices.

yes, including the strong opinions of those who like it totally one way or the other😛😆

People talk all the time about being open to other cultures, other races, other religions - apply the same to music preferences. No music is officially good or bad - it's your personal opinion.

can be open to a point. other people's freedoms end where my nose and ears begin. i mean there are laws against pollution these days, arent there?😛

I am open to anything that sounds good, and I don't discriminate based on the singer, musician, or era. I have both the CDs for The Golden Sixties and Dance Night 21 in my car. I listen to both and enjoy songs in both CDs. And there are some songs that I don't like in either CD. Yes, I feel that songs in yesteryears had beautiful lyrics, but that is my opinion, and I won't declare that today's songs have lousy lyrics - just that I don't like them as much. But others may.

oh, and i love listening to old hindi music at home. that's where my heart is. you know, home is where the heart is kinda thing? 😛but can have only english music in my porsche. bad for image to play anything remotely melodious you see. gotta look at mood and company and lots of other factors too. anyways, too bad one cant drive that silly thing a whole lot in icy conditions. tough, no?😛😆