CHOICE OF SONGS:WHAT ARE PARENTS DOING - Page 2

Originally posted by: Maya_M

I concur. Also I want to ask those who are objecting, what kind of songs should be the criteria for these talent search? Should they avoid all romantic songs, dance ones? Because most has lines which doesn't suit a 13 or 15 year old.

I have seen many Indian associations here where kids dance to Beedi Jalaile and the kinds.

I am on the fence with such topics. How can we stop kids from singing such songs? Omkara was an 'A' rated movie and it is amusing that even the teens have seen it. But there are movies which are U rated and still has objectionable songs. How can we stop kids from watching or hearing this? How feasible is thte solution?

Agreed.
They showed Omkara on SonyTV too. It was censored though.
What was Guru rated? Probably U or UA and it featured a song 'Maiyya Maiyya'. Even Yash Chopra (considered by many as 'family friendly' films) have objectionable songs. How about KANK songs? Double meaning Where's the party tonight?

Kabhi Kabhi Mere Dil Mein 'a classic song' but a very romantic song...so where to draw the line?

http://www.bollywhat.com/lyrics/kabh_lyr.htm

KABHI KABHIE

Originally posted by: simtara

Can't say that the parents have much control over the song choice. Even if they come with parents or adults, all contestants are housed separately in a hostel/house type environment (based on last season). They have little time to spare to spend with parents and others I guess. Also, a parent's objection will hold little sway with who ever does choose the songs.

I couldn't resist responding to the bolded part of your post Thakur Sabzi. Here's my view: Ashatai's cabaret numbers, for the most part, were sensual but also elegant, subtle and graceful. The new slew of "cabaret" numbers, better termed "item numbers" loosely relates to the old sense of the term. This generation of "cabaret" songs tend to be crass, jarring, ill-written and overly blunt. That's merely in regards to lyrics and melody. Come to the actual singing and picturization; the voice was often sensual and inviting, but in a subtle and sometimes mocking way. The tone now leans towards open suggestions and can be heard as somewhat lusty. I hope that makes sense. As for picturization... do I really need to describe Helen (Piya Tu Ab to Aaja or Ye Mera Dil Yaar Ka Deewana) vs. well, you'd have to see the vid to believe it as I can't begin to descrive I Wanna Make Love to You 😕 or even Kareena in Ye Mera Dil of the new Don (though that's immensely better than the former).

There is a clear demarcation between aethetically presenting a situation and being vulgar about it. I found the following quote at a site while researching Ashatai and Helen. To an extent, it describes what I'm trying to say. Just couple it with the above and you might get a clearer idea of my views.

Helen's was the art of the 'clean cabaret'and the grace of a darting goldfish. She made the titillation look aesthetic - and that's what made her distinctive.
http://asha-bhosle.tripod.com/helen.htm

For the record: I believe Koyal deserved to be out. Her performance, as well as Shreshta's, was horrible. However, Shreshta maintained an edge by performing with confidence. A bias cannot be used as reasons for Ashatai ousting Koyal. Watch and listen to the episode carefully. Ghulam saab too voiced his opinions on the lack of control on sur. I feel a majority of his input was edited out. Regardless, it couldn't have been a one-sided decision.

👏👏Simi dear....... referring to your bolded part........ I could not have summed it up better!! That song.......... Aage Bhi Jana Na Tu...or Raat akeli hai buj gaye diya..... these songs were subtle. I would die if I watched Rock Me song in my Bhai's presence.

Having said this, I donot think the parents have a choice. I think the songs are picked by MDs or singers themselves....... and they have to go with the trend and sing the way these songs are sung now.... I saw very young kids doing the Beedi song at our Diwali mela..

Originally posted by: simtara

I couldn't resist responding to the bolded part of your post Thakur Sabzi. Here's my view: Ashatai's cabaret numbers, for the most part, were sensual but also elegant, subtle and graceful. The new slew of "cabaret" numbers, better termed "item numbers" loosely relates to the old sense of the term. This generation of "cabaret" songs tend to be crass, jarring, ill-written and overly blunt. That's merely in regards to lyrics and melody. Come to the actual singing and picturization; the voice was often sensual and inviting, but in a subtle and sometimes mocking way. The tone now leans towards open suggestions and can be heard as somewhat lusty. I hope that makes sense. As for picturization... do I really need to describe Helen (Piya Tu Ab to Aaja or Ye Mera Dil Yaar Ka Deewana) vs. well, you'd have to see the vid to believe it as I can't begin to descrive I Wanna Make Love to You 😕 or even Kareena in Ye Mera Dil of the new Don (though that's immensely better than the former).

Sorry simi here i dnt concur with u now.😳 finally it is the meaning/expression that is being sent out thru the song be it directly or subtly. Yes i agree this generation ones are too direct than old cabaret songs.But to me both will fall under the same catagory.U cannot justify saying that "A" is smoking a cigerette with drugs in it so he is bad and "B" just smoking plain cigerrete is ok.😊

Now comming to show.. here in this show making an issue of such song selection is maybe wrong. If thats the case then they need to make such a rule for the show regd. the songs. there's no such rule as such. And where to make this demarcation? where to put this border line? Is it possible to make decision on this. sorry to say but i personally feel thats not possible.😊

When I was a kid, nobody needed to tell me, Singing Dada Kondke songs in the presense of elders are offlimits(actually yes Jadoobhai even now😉). Even if meant I would get a chance to earn a million rupees by singing it in front of a million people.

Was it my parents?

@Thakur_saab

Sonu Nigam/Lata Mangeshkar have held a position to refuse to sing songs with sexually explicit lyrics such as Rock me baby and both have come up thru hard times why?

A singer has to emote through a song, some people just cant emote the sexual innuendo through a song, a song such as "Rock me Baby" has very little to do with sur-taal, but more about a feel, It takes a person who can emote that feel, going back in time for a successful example, Himani was able to pull it off, but I can bet, Nihira will never be able to pull off such a song(before Nihira fans come after me, she had problems with even milder song such as Dajiba in her mothertongue)

Originally posted by: sareg

When I was a kid, nobody needed to tell me, Singing Dada Kondke songs in the presense of elders are offlimits(actually yes Jadoobhai even now😉). Even if meant I would get a chance to earn a million rupees by singing it in front of a million people.

As a child I was not allowed to watch films with Helen's dances because that was considered vulgar but now Helen is an icon. I am sure in future Mallika Sherawat and Malaika Arora will also gain that respect for which they are criticized now.

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

In C2005, Nihira and Swananda refused to wear skimpy dresses and Zee could not force them... And everybody appreciated them here too... If parents become strict with choice of dresses/songs, then Zee/SRGMP can not do anything

Good points. Nihira 👏 someone I would like to see again on the show.

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

Minali and Simi,
Oohlahlah points are not only limited to choice of the song but is in
broader view. And I agree with oohlahlah, parents/guardians are
responsible. These days in the name of fulfilling kids wishes, parents
compromise a lot... Dancing/singing have always been part of Indian
culture but now vulgarity made its home in this art. I observed parents in
US/Europe are stricter about their culture and values these days. Atleast
they try their best to maintain and not like defending in name of going
forward... In C2005, Nihira and Swananda refused to wear skimpy dresses
and Zee could not force them... And everybody appreciated them here
too... If parents become strict with choice of dresses/songs, then Zee/
SRGMP can not do anything... I am sure we will see couple of contestant
like Swananda and Nihira who will not follow everything blindly...
And you know Oohlalah, if we will become comfortable in watching all
these things on TV and movie with our kids then gradually our mentality
will change and will not mind our kids weaing same type of cloths, doing
same type of dance...

Well said. India like the US is becoming so desensitized to vulgarity that
Rock Me Baby seems just fine to sing in front of Asha Bhosle and Ghulam
Ali. I have young chidren and I have FF'd over the Rock Me Baby song
when it has been performed even though I would expect not to have to
screen a family show like SRGM.

I would not want my kid singing that particuar song on stage even though
it is a beautiful song in terms of melody. Someone posted the Kabhi
Kabhie lyric translation and I think that it is different in that it was part of
the wedding night sequence.

Nice to see others who feel the same way.

Originally posted by: Maya_M

As a child I was not allowed to watch films with Helen's dances because that was considered vulgar but now Helen is an icon. I am sure in future Mallika Sherawat and Malaika Arora will also gain that respect for which they are criticized now.

😆😆 dont know if the standards would be such that Malliai alka would be considered compartively respectable

Originally posted by: Maya_M

As a child I was not allowed to watch films with Helen's dances because that was considered vulgar but now Helen is an icon. I am sure in future Mallika Sherawat and Malaika Arora will also gain that respect for which they are criticized now.

😆

Good Logic. But yes same story here. Helen when I was a kid, was a strict no no. So were those songs. That exactly what I was pointing out. That from our childhood we were told those songs are not good ones. They fell into the (almost) vulgar catagory then as per our guardians then.

Sareg Bhai I took the name of Lata again for a specific reason. Just as the author of the topic said he has orthodox views, same was with my parents. And one song they had then pointed out to me was "Baho Mein Chale Aayo" by Lata. For them, then, that song also fell into this same catagory. But now we have a complete different thinking on that song.

As Maya said tomorrow in future who knows what is in store, we may find our next generation saying this very song sung by Koyal as a good number.😉

Simi, seeing this comment of yours reminded me of my younger days...😆 my comments in red.

Originally posted by: simtara

Here's my view: Ashatai's cabaret numbers, for the most part, were sensual but also elegant, subtle and graceful. The new slew of "cabaret" numbers, better termed "item numbers" loosely relates to the old sense of the term.

😆, Simi this reminds me of my childhood. My mom banned us from watching these songs..one I remember one was "roop tera mastana", she just banned us from watching it. In fact there is a bengali movie "36, chowrangee lane", we were not allowed to watch it until we were 15 !! In fact , that way if you see, we grew up in quite a conventional environment. Even ashaji's cabaret numbers and also lataji's sensual numbers were not something we were encouraged listening to. Then that was taboo, Rock me baby type of songs, i dont think i will feel comfortable listening to even today in my mom's presence.

I strongly feel kids should not be made to sing such songs..why i feel that way, no idea...I guess I am also old fashioned.