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Posted: 19 years ago
#61
dumbdude

It is not necessary that a letter from a great knowl...person's desk can't reek of bias. I agree that Hema lost the sur minimum no. of times, even those of us who are not trained musically know this, but we are listening with same ears to Nihira & Himani as well, aren't we...>../??
Edited by N Sinha - 19 years ago
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Posted: 19 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: adwarakanath

WHere is the damned bachcha party? 😡

I posted this in their fan(k) club and they have ignored it totally.

And their convos go this way -

A: I hav ritten 2 zee it wud be gr8 if he cums (!!!!) online on da 14th
B: i wish 2 if he sez da same 4 words as lst time (i luv u bansi) i'll go flat


SHEEEESH. THere's a height to fanaticism. Next thing we know, they'll be building a temple to Vinit with his ek futiya girlfriend's statue with him...

Guys "adwarakanath" abhi bachcha hai, akal ka kachcha hai. Lets forgive him as he is still bachcha that is why these immature comments came from him. Vinit is short by his height but very sad "adwarakanath" is even shorter/smaller in his thinking than Vinit's height. A humanbeing is not known by his/her height but by his/her good work.

it's not the physical stature that it's more of the inner qualities that make you great ... even sunil gavaskar and sachin tendulkar are short heighted ... my dear friend aadmi ka vyaktitva bada hona chahiye ....

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Posted: 19 years ago
#63
Well the only reason of putting my website in the signature was to validate that I was not fake claming something that was untrue (happens all the time on the web). However if this offends you, my aplogies. I think one needs to see beyond that. Lets think before taking personal hits. Nobody realy gains from it. As regards promoting my professional resume, i dont need to do that. As a management consultant my employer already publishes this information. As regards your thinking I a not much of a dude - thats ok. I respect that if thats what you concluded "after" you read through my website.
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Posted: 19 years ago
#64

Sorry to say Sir,but I don't think Himani was better than Nihira.

If u are a music professional u should also know that in music Breath control is an important thing and Nihira had full control on that,whereas many times u can hear Himani's taking breaths on the mike,controlled breathing comes frm riyaz only,and Nihira had that riyaz.Again Nihira was only besura in two songs,that too she was besura in only 2 places,when Himani got a super scolding frm AS 'cause she sang badly that day only.She was besura throughout the song.Himani only improved after Twinkle's exit,before that she was really bad.Nihira has better control while swithching frm high to low notes and vice versa.

Remember that song of Geeta Dutt in comedy round,and also some others r also there.I want u to see all videos and analyse again.I am also a trained classical singer & a Visharad and even if i don't know much but i know atleast something about music.😊

Originally posted by: bigmac

I had already mentioned earlier that irrespective of any Red or Green LEDs on a Chromatic meter indicative of a performers adherence to Sur, the fact remains that music is mainly about how it makes you feel. It is the spirit of it that counts. He/She who is well trained, does immense sadhna, and feels the spirit of his/her music, is better able to communicate that spirit in many ways than one who is untrained. Different styles of music evoke different emotions in people. In general it has been found that the music that sounds the sweetest is that which the singer enjoys singing and listening to even more than the audience does! Its an introspective appreciation. And it is at the intersection of these two players V the performer and the listener that Good Music resides. Whenever Ustad Amjad Ali Khan (Sarod Maestro) gave a concert with his two sons Aman and Ayan Ali Bangash, I remember them saying that despite what the people said to them, they knew themselves what they had played, where they had gone wrong, and how much they needed to improve. If you dont believe me, feel free to download an MP3 of their interview that I had done with them at the BBC World Service (in Hindi) where they said this: http://www.sloanpartners.com/anuragharsh/personal/music/bbc/ bbc.html and then click on the Interview with Aman and Ayaan)

Pt. Hari Prasad Chaurasia and Ud. Bismillah Khan have said time and time again that there knowledge is but merely a cup of water in the ocean of music. It is that sadhna and dedication that gets them to a point where Lord Krishna himself descends to listen to Hari jis Bansuri V or better still goes and resides inside the bamboo flute. That is when music hits you like nothing else does. And in many ways that is how some of the good singers music affects us (playback or classical).

As regards the current singers on SRGMP, my opinion (this is only personal) is that they are rather mediocre from a musicality perspective. Everything is relative of course, so I speak when comparing them with some other singers (we have all met some next door neighbor who is sings phenomenal but was never discovered). They are good performers though and much of that has to do with the world class support system thats backing them in terms of orchestra, digital technology (this can do wonders to your voice), top class sound recording, costumes etc.

On its own merit, Hemachandra has by far the best voice quality and musical capability of the participants in SRGMP 2006, and often than not he did sing in Sur (although I must admit that towards the end he had started to falter as well). His control on voice was much better than all the others. I think he was trained well by his mother and I can feel the training in his voice. However, I also think that trying to balance the dance and singing and showmanship in one take, proved slightly overwhelming for him, and in the process his singing took a bit of a hit towards the last couple programs before his eviction. Very sad, since he could have just as well sang by standing at one place or with slightly less body movements, and been able to concentrate on the actual sound of his singing.

Vineet has the Rafi-esqe voice and imitates that Rafi style of melodic singing. His voice is still very young so it would need to mature V something that might happen with the years, and with arduous practice. But my opinion is that by and large he sings almost entire songs slightly off-shruti which for trained listeners like me can get quite traumatic since a little adjustment to his shrutis could make his songs go much further. Then there is the separate issue of the ease and accuracy with which Murkis and Meends i.e. the twists and falls in the song are done. These can only come with training and practice and in some songs that are difficult, Vineet tends to falter a lot, albeit unnoticeable to the common listener, but certainly noticeable to a musician or educated audience. People think this does not make a difference. It does make a difference. If he corrects these things, his songs would sound much better. But it is easier said than done. Correction of these things will probably do a number on most singers. It is hard work and a lot of effort goes into it.

Debojit used to sing very well initially and he is not bad even now. He sings the slower deeper songs well since he has the Rabindra Sangeet melodic undertones in him with a base-plus-nasal tone that can add metal to the songs. However, the problem I see with him is that whenever he starts doing anything slightly complicated or faster tempo, his control goes out of the window and his Sur falters a lot. I know he can get it right because I can see it in him. But its just that he doesnt do it because either he doesnt notice it himself or else he is not told to specifically control his voice when he goes fast or do anything complicated. He would also need to work on his pronunciation. I grew up in Jamshedpur (200 Kms from Kolkata) among Bengalis, so know what I am talking about Æ’. Hes got to do away with the undertones of Rabindra Sangeet (I love Rabindra Sangeet and Nazrul Geeti but to fuse that style into popular music, thats another thing).

Himani was perhaps the slightly better of the two girls (Nihira and Himani). At times each of them sang certain songs better than the other, but on the whole Himani had a more natural and Surila rendition. Her voice also had a little more pain in it. She too was overwhelmed by all the dance-drama that she had to do on stage V I dont think these contestants realize that all that action on stage has a significant affect on their songs! It takes a lot of training to do both and most leading singers who hop around a lot on stage will at some point go Besura V and its that one point that kills the song (sort of like Ek Balti Doodh Mein Ek Makkhi (housefly) ka Gir Jana.

Nihira was also good, but again she had issues with Sur basically. Anything more complicated and the Sur went in and out on multiple occasions. This can be corrected with practice and training, however we are assuming that the top spot in SRGMP was for he/she who faltered the least. I did like her singing and voice though.

Paresh from UK, and the gentleman from Chamba were really bad musically, so I will refrain from commenting on them.

On the whole, I would have ranked them as follows:

1. Hemachandra
2. Himani
3. Nihira
4. Vineet
5. Debojit

-Anurag Harsh
Listen to Music on www.AnuragHarsh.com

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Posted: 19 years ago
#65
In fact there were only few places where I found Nihira to be missing sur, Himani on the other hand has improved fom what she was...
there is no match.
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Posted: 19 years ago
#66
The problem with today's generation in India is that they have absolutely no exposure to classical music, especially in North India. The SPIC-MACAY programme tried to promote classical music among college-going kids and succeeded to some extent, but most people don't really want to spend time learning music when they could be having fun.

In order to appreciate classical music, there has to be a "mahaul". Children growing up in families where one or two members listen to classical music will automatically develop an ear for it. This "mahaul" is missing in most families today.

Let alone classical music, even if people listen to the Hindl film songs of the fifties and sixities, they will develop a taste for light classical music.

In the south of India, things are better in the sense that many youngsters do learn Carnatic Sangeet.

Learning or even just appreciating classical music has one very important use. It helps people to relax, wind down, get rid of tensions (so much a part of today's life), get rejuvenated and enter into a state of complete bliss. I am quite disturbed that today's youngsters are not deriving any comfort from that centuries-old form of music and are rather turning towards the noisy, ear-shattering clanging of metal in an already violent world.

I am hoping that Saregamapa programme will make more people take us classical music as a hobby.
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Posted: 19 years ago
#67

Originally posted by: bigmac

On the whole, I would have ranked them as follows:

1. Hemachandra
2. Himani
3. Nihira

4. Vineet
5. Debojit



overall a good post, but after reading these rankings i seriously think u need to go back to Panditji and brush up ur music, Nihira being ranked below himani is ridiculous.


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Posted: 19 years ago
#68
Why you are using names of great like Bhimshen Joshi Mr Anuraag, don't you have guts to publish things on your own........??
Edited by N Sinha - 19 years ago
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Posted: 19 years ago
#69

[QUOTE=bigmac]I had already mentioned earlier that irrespective of any Red or Green LEDs on a Chromatic meter indicative of a performers adherence to Sur, the fact remains that music is mainly about how it makes you feel. It is the spirit of it that counts. He/She who is well trained, does immense sadhna, and feels the spirit of his/her music, is better able to communicate that spirit in many ways than one who is untrained. Different styles of music evoke different emotions in people. In general it has been found that the music that sounds the sweetest is that which the singer enjoys singing and listening to even more than the audience does! Its an introspective appreciation. And it is at the intersection of these two players V the performer and the listener that Good Music resides. Whenever Ustad Amjad Ali Khan (Sarod Maestro) gave a concert with his two sons Aman and Ayan Ali Bangash, I remember them saying that despite what the people said to them, they knew themselves what they had played, where they had gone wrong, and how much they needed to improve. If you dont believe me, feel free to download an MP3 of their interview that I had done with them at the BBC World Service (in Hindi) where they said this: http://www.sloanpartners.com/anuragharsh/personal/music/bbc/ bbc.html and then click on the Interview with Aman and Ayaan)

Pt. Hari Prasad Chaurasia and Ud. Bismillah Khan have said time and time again that there knowledge is but merely a cup of water in the ocean of music. It is that sadhna and dedication that gets them to a point where Lord Krishna himself descends to listen to Hari jis Bansuri V or better still goes and resides inside the bamboo flute. That is when music hits you like nothing else does. And in many ways that is how some of the good singers music affects us (playback or classical).

As regards the current singers on SRGMP, my opinion (this is only personal) is that they are rather mediocre from a musicality perspective. Everything is relative of course, so I speak when comparing them with some other singers (we have all met some next door neighbor who is sings phenomenal but was never discovered). They are good performers though and much of that has to do with the world class support system thats backing them in terms of orchestra, digital technology (this can do wonders to your voice), top class sound recording, costumes etc.

On its own merit, Hemachandra has by far the best voice quality and musical capability of the participants in SRGMP 2006, and often than not he did sing in Sur (although I must admit that towards the end he had started to falter as well). His control on voice was much better than all the others. I think he was trained well by his mother and I can feel the training in his voice. However, I also think that trying to balance the dance and singing and showmanship in one take, proved slightly overwhelming for him, and in the process his singing took a bit of a hit towards the last couple programs before his eviction. Very sad, since he could have just as well sang by standing at one place or with slightly less body movements, and been able to concentrate on the actual sound of his singing.

Vineet has the Rafi-esqe voice and imitates that Rafi style of melodic singing. His voice is still very young so it would need to mature V something that might happen with the years, and with arduous practice. But my opinion is that by and large he sings almost entire songs slightly off-shruti which for trained listeners like me can get quite traumatic since a little adjustment to his shrutis could make his songs go much further. Then there is the separate issue of the ease and accuracy with which Murkis and Meends i.e. the twists and falls in the song are done. These can only come with training and practice and in some songs that are difficult, Vineet tends to falter a lot, albeit unnoticeable to the common listener, but certainly noticeable to a musician or educated audience. People think this does not make a difference. It does make a difference. If he corrects these things, his songs would sound much better. But it is easier said than done. Correction of these things will probably do a number on most singers. It is hard work and a lot of effort goes into it.

Debojit used to sing very well initially and he is not bad even now. He sings the slower deeper songs well since he has the Rabindra Sangeet melodic undertones in him with a base-plus-nasal tone that can add metal to the songs. However, the problem I see with him is that whenever he starts doing anything slightly complicated or faster tempo, his control goes out of the window and his Sur falters a lot. I know he can get it right because I can see it in him. But its just that he doesnt do it because either he doesnt notice it himself or else he is not told to specifically control his voice when he goes fast or do anything complicated. He would also need to work on his pronunciation. I grew up in Jamshedpur (200 Kms from Kolkata) among Bengalis, so know what I am talking about Æ’. Hes got to do away with the undertones of Rabindra Sangeet (I love Rabindra Sangeet and Nazrul Geeti but to fuse that style into popular music, thats another thing).

Himani was perhaps the slightly better of the two girls (Nihira and Himani). At times each of them sang certain songs better than the other, but on the whole Himani had a more natural and Surila rendition. Her voice also had a little more pain in it. She too was overwhelmed by all the dance-drama that she had to do on stage V I dont think these contestants realize that all that action on stage has a significant affect on their songs! It takes a lot of training to do both and most leading singers who hop around a lot on stage will at some point go Besura V and its that one point that kills the song (sort of like Ek Balti Doodh Mein Ek Makkhi (housefly) ka Gir Jana.

Nihira was also good, but again she had issues with Sur basically. Anything more complicated and the Sur went in and out on multiple occasions. This can be corrected with practice and training, however we are assuming that the top spot in SRGMP was for he/she who faltered the least. I did like her singing and voice though.

Paresh from UK, and the gentleman from Chamba were really bad musically, so I will refrain from commenting on them.

On the whole, I would have ranked them as follows:

1. Hemachandra
2. Himani
3. Nihira
4. Vineet
5. Debojit

-Anurag Harsh
Listen to Music on www.AnuragHarsh.com[/QUOTE]

Bachcha party its time to enjoy. According to Anurag Vineet is better than Debojit."adwarakanath" please apni tipnni de (Please comment on it). Now you will bash Anurag Harsh. Come on all bachcha party let's rock.

adwarakanath ji kabhi kabhi chiinti bhi haathi ko gira deti hai .. samjhe size and height does'nt matter at all but quality does matter ... so Mr. adwa..th please think logically ...

Let the Music Rock the world....😊

adwarakanath now time has come that you leave this forum with immediate effect.

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Posted: 19 years ago
#70
Well according to Pt. Jasraj, Debo is better than Vinit... But does anybody listen to him nowadays. Hello HR and that dhin chak music of his.

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