Composer vs Singer . who is more important?

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It seems that without the composer a good song may not come about. But then without an able singer the grand idea and thought never reaches home.
From an Artistic view point both are equally important.
From an economic and commercial point of view the question of demand and supply comes about. Generally there are more good singers than good song composers.
But if we look at top class composers and top class singers both are limited in supply.

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Composer

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French composer Louis-Nicolas Clrambault composing at the keyboard

A composer (literally meaning 'one who puts together') is a person who creates music, usually in the medium of notation, for interpretation and performance (which may be repeated an unlimited number of times) by other musicians. The composer is the author of the music.

The level of distinction between composers and other musicians varies, which affects issues such as copyright and the deference given to individual interpretations of a particular piece of music. For example, in the development of European music, the function of composing music initially had no greater importance than the function of performing music. The preservation of individual compositions received little attention, and musicians generally had no qualms about modifying compositions for performance. Over time, however, the written notation of the composer has come to be treated as strict instructions, from which performers should not deviate without good reason. Performers do, however, play the music and interpret it in a way that is all their own. In fact, in the concerto form, the soloist would often compose and perform a cadenza as a way to express their individual interpretation of the piece.

More recently, scorewriter programs have become available, allowing composers to typeset music without the need of an engraver.

The term 'composer' is often used specifically to mean a composer in the mainstream Western tradition of 'classical' music. In popular and folk music, the composer is typically called a songwriter (since the music generally takes the form of a song).

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Posted: 16 years ago
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"do haath se taali bajti hai"

can't do without any...u need both...look at songs like 'meri pant bhi sexy' , ridiculous song, but sonu tries is very best to pull it off... no matter how good the singer, if the song is not good, its not gonna help... vice versa
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Posted: 16 years ago
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song acchi nahi hai.. to singing cant do anything..
singer accha nahin hai, tthen a good song is ruined..

only REALLY great singers can make lame compositions a hit.
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Originally posted by: oldblackjoe

song acchi nahi hai.. to singing cant do anything..
singer accha nahin hai, tthen a good song is ruined..

only REALLY great singers can make lame compositions a hit.

If a singer is popular or charismatic, he can sell many things.
There are several composer singers, but their songs become popular when others sing for them.
The singer is like a striker in a game of football who scores the goal and gets the glory.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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though I think both are very very very very important. I think composers are more important. Sonu Nigam is a great singer in my opinion but he would never get an award for horrible songs he sang for useless movies no one watched. On the other hands songs like kal ho na ho and main agar kahoon take him to the top.

When a composition is good, it still sounds good with a decent singer's voice. (sure probably not the best but good enough where general public will enjoy it.) But so far I haven't encountered any GREAT singers making a horrible composition shine! We still have great singers in the industry who are quite underrated. It's because they haven't had nice composers.
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Originally posted by: Perfangel5655

though I think both are very very very very important. I think composers are more important. Sonu Nigam is a great singer in my opinion but he would never get an award for horrible songs he sang for useless movies no one watched. On the other hands songs like kal ho na ho and main agar kahoon take him to the top.

When a composition is good, it still sounds good with a decent singer's voice. (sure probably not the best but good enough where general public will enjoy it.) But so far I haven't encountered any GREAT singers making a horrible composition shine! We still have great singers in the industry who are quite underrated. It's because they haven't had nice composers.

Good point. Great compositions sounds good no matter who sings it, unless the song is very demanding. But certain songs seem to fit only certain singers.
Magic happens when a good composition is sung by an equally great Artiste eg. Chitraji singing "Kehna hi kya" composer ARR
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjkz_N6rXk0[/YOUTUBE]
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Originally posted by: Summer3

Good point. Great compositions sounds good no matter who sings it, unless the song is very demanding. But certain songs seem to fit only certain singers.
Magic happens when a good composition is sung by an equally great Artiste eg. Chitraji singing "Kehna hi kya" composer ARR
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjkz_N6rXk0[/YOUTUBE]

so so agree!!!!! Kehna hai kya is a such a amazing song!! It is beautifully composed just as it was beautifully sung. Now ARR could go and hire a decent singer I would probably still consider a good song. Probably not magical but good enough.
But I doubt if Chitra went and sang a decent composition I would listen to it.
I think Shreay ghoshal has a amazing beautiful voice. Its so sweet!! she creates magic for me. But I only only like the songs that are composed well!😳
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Posted: 16 years ago
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This question is having a definite answer in today's time, a few years ago (say 20) it would have been difficult to answer.
But today the answer is simple - its the COMPOSER who is more important and has to be bang on with his tunes.
As you know, that now adays, the director hires the MD as per his budget and then natrates the script to him and tells him where he wants the song. The MD has to be good enough to understand the situation and then make the tune which is appropriate. Then comes in the lyrics which again have to be written on the tune and with the mood of the song in mind.
As far as singing goes, today's MDs have many choices but more than choices they have the machines ! which can correct everything, they can make a singer sound so different.
If the singer is good, it surely helps the song and lifts it further. But I have seen many besura singers (in live) and they have recorded songs which make them sound great.
Even some of the great singers of todays time are technically not so good but are doing a decent job. It is very easy these days to record songs, I have been at several recordings - they sing the mukhda once, then the antra and its then patched up. The songs are sung in multiple parts, sometimes an MD even records single lines !
Gone are the days when singers would prepare for the songs in advance, come and sing with feel the whole song in one take and if it was a duet, then sing the song together.
Best example I can give is Farhan Akhtar in Rock-on, he was roped in by Shankar (on request of Gattu - the director) to sing the songs so that they can maintain that Rock feel and raw voice texture. The reality is that Farhan cant sing ! I heard him at a Malad Mall during the promotion and man was he croaking or what !!! He is barely passable but when he records 1 line or 2 lines at a time with all the machines at work, it looks like the songs were his and only his !
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Originally posted by: ReemAnshu

This question is having a definite answer in today's time, a few years ago (say 20) it would have been difficult to answer.

But today the answer is simple - its the COMPOSER who is more important and has to be bang on with his tunes.
As you know, that now adays, the director hires the MD as per his budget and then natrates the script to him and tells him where he wants the song. The MD has to be good enough to understand the situation and then make the tune which is appropriate. Then comes in the lyrics which again have to be written on the tune and with the mood of the song in mind.
As far as singing goes, today's MDs have many choices but more than choices they have the machines ! which can correct everything, they can make a singer sound so different.
If the singer is good, it surely helps the song and lifts it further. But I have seen many besura singers (in live) and they have recorded songs which make them sound great.
Even some of the great singers of todays time are technically not so good but are doing a decent job. It is very easy these days to record songs, I have been at several recordings - they sing the mukhda once, then the antra and its then patched up. The songs are sung in multiple parts, sometimes an MD even records single lines !
Gone are the days when singers would prepare for the songs in advance, come and sing with feel the whole song in one take and if it was a duet, then sing the song together.
Best example I can give is Farhan Akhtar in Rock-on, he was roped in by Shankar (on request of Gattu - the director) to sing the songs so that they can maintain that Rock feel and raw voice texture. The reality is that Farhan cant sing ! I heard him at a Malad Mall during the promotion and man was he croaking or what !!! He is barely passable but when he records 1 line or 2 lines at a time with all the machines at work, it looks like the songs were his and only his !

Wow ! Singing one line at a time and recording 😆.
Yes also there are a lot of softwares to help the singers.
But similarly there are softwares to help the composers of music too.
What the public gets is the final product and if the composition is good enough, any reasonable singer will do.
For pop songs in most countries the record sales depend on who the singer is, so long as the songs are reasonable the young kids will buy it.
Indian music industry is more complicted and hugely dependent on Bollywood. Some good singers out of work and good MDs having nothing much to do.

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