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Posted: 17 years ago
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Congrat Indradhanush 👏👏👏for being on the hot seat.you must be a very colorful person.Is indradhanush your real name?

Glad to know that you are a panchamda admirer.I am an ardent fan of R.D.burman and keep looking for all his rare songs.I love the song that you posted from chor police....I agree that 80's he gave outstanding music in movies that went unnoticed...songs from Samundar,Qayamat,Sitamgar,Zabardast,Harjaee and many more have beautiful compositions which i feel did not get their due...
hope you have a great time on the hot seat....enjoy...
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Posted: 17 years ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpBef6xJi5A

This song ye kori karai kawari nazar from samundar has breath taking guitar in end on hollow body guitar, absolute delight for a guitarist, was actually composed by Bhanu Gupta the RDB's guitarist (from guitar gang which had 5 members and they changed the face of RDB's music).
So blessed I am, Bhanu da played this entire thing for me in Kala Mandir, Calcutta, once...!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgdlGKFpW0Q&feature=related

This song ae sagar ki laharo is delight for any keyboarder, when I heard it first I was listening to it all the night and father asked me if I am OK..! I made entire track for this song on two keyboards many years ago. Listen to the 2nd and 3rd interlude..!

Thanks minirulz
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Indradhanush

chitra,summer many thanks for compliments.

Aha ! Chitraji lived in Kolkatta and is fully aware of the krazy atmosphere there. I remember that it was pretty hot there in summer. But I can imagine the rush of devotees during puja and festivities. Guess u really miss it all.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Congrats Indradhanush. Will use your ID itself. 😆 So now we have two musical rainbows here in the section. Barnalidi and you!!!

One question. Why did RDB failed in 80's. Early 80's he had Kishore but true later he was not there. So do we take that RDB magic was due to this combination and he was unable to create it with others? Don't you think he should have tried other options too (though don't see many from that period. 😆 )


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Posted: 17 years ago
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Pancham was slow to react and refusing to come out of his mould in 80s

RD had proved with 'Bhalika Badhu', in 1976 itself, that he had only to wok on son Amit Kumar to draw out of him the Kishore Kumar effect: Bade ache lagte hai, yeh dharti yeh nadiya hey raina aur tum, he should have readied himself for this slog after having already scored with the same Amit Kumar in 'Love Story'. Yet Pancham just sat back, arguing Kishore was Kishore. This was true. But only upto a point in films, where a music director has to be something of a quick-change artist. RD's music had got so cast in the Kishore mould that, immediately, Pancham needed a prototype. And what better prototype than the son?

Of course, RD was unlucky that Kishore's passing was followed by the first signs of a sway, in the industry, away from Asha Bhonsle. None of the new singers were a patch on Asha. But a younger set of music directors wanted younger singers. The Bhappi Lahiri challenge had built up to a point where RD should more urgently have explored variety in the voices he employed, without really moving away from Asha Bhonsle. But here, too, RD was slow to react.

R.D. Burman represented the spirit of youth when he made his big breakthrough with the Asha through 'Jawani Diwani', 'Yadon Ki Baarat' and 'Khel Khel Main'. Asha, as the Mera naam hai shabnam - Piya tu ab too aa ja - Chura liya haim tume ne jo dil do - Sapna mera toot gaya girl had sex-symbolised the ethos of RD's music in the 70s. But the 80s was a new decade that called for new adjustments.

RD, at one point, had overtaken the formidable team of Laxmikant-Pyarelal. But he let himself be beaten back by vastly inferior talents in the 80s, while Laxmikant-Pyarelal fought back like tigers. In retrospect, it can therefore be said that RD faltered at the crucial moment, LD didn't. And this is an industry in which you are only as successful as your last film. A record of 23 flops took some living down. But these flops do include some real gem songs like from sagar, qayamat, ijazzat, zabardast, arjun, sawere wali gadi and many more, they are still being discovered by cassette companies and packaged as real RD (of course to increase sell only)

All this cannot alter the fact that RD set a trend with Asha as he did with Kishore. No other composer would have dared to jettison Rafi the way RD did -- even Dada Burman was hesitant in making a switch here. But RD showed the way and others followed suit, courtesy Rajesh Khanna. Amitabh Bachchan, to beat Rajesh Khanna at his own game, had to take on his voice. Kishore thus became established as the Voice of Youth and it was RD who had set the course for this. RD's hold on electronics, his insights into Western notation, gave him a rare edge. But, minus Kishore, RD found his keen edge blunted. There was a generation change due in our film music. RD failed to see this change coming in 1987 as he had one in 1971. The cross commercialism of the neo-film industry also undid him. When Bhappi Lahiri started quoting less at one point, RD should have stuck to his price. He caved in. And paid the price.

But the price never did matter much to RD. This way, he was like Dada Burman, who was happy working only in his set-ups. RD always was a bit of a loner, comfortable only in his own selection company. He was unsuited to the totally groupy style in which the industry began to function in the 80s. As Gulzar too began to lose commercial clout, there was less and less opportunity for RD to make a different kind of music, which he loved to do. He needed Gulzar badly to balance his hula-hula stuff. The 'Ghar' style of Gulzar option, by which RD could come up with something like Aaj kal paaon zamin par nahin padte mere (Lata) and Aap ke aankhon mein kuch mehke huye se raas hai (Lata-Kishore), was no longer available to RD in the late 80s.

Yet the end, when it came, saw those who had come to scoff, remain to praise. Everyone knew, in heart of hearts, that RD was as much a trend-setter as his father, if in a different style. But industry had religiously refused to acknowledge his fibre and calibre.

Those who the gods love, die young. And when they die after having influenced a whole generation in its musical thinking, we finally grudgingly accept that the jet-setter was like one other in films.

Edited by Indradhanush - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Thanks for infor on RD. Interesting that you such keen interest in music and its development. Keep it up.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Congrats ID... here is my question....
If by some quirk of space and time.1970's RDB came alive and planned to contribute compositions...to bollywood of today...w
Who would be his favorite
1. male singer
2. lyricist
3. female singer
4. actor for who he will prefer to give music...
5. major competitor.. Himmy bhai, pritam or vishal shekhar...etc assuming here that they dont hold him with a sense of awe for his past achievements out of another quirk of fate...😊
6. Would he be successful?
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Bhaskar.T

Congrats Indradhanush. Will use your ID itself. 😆 So now we have two musical rainbows here in the section. Barnalidi and you!!!

One question. Why did RDB failed in 80's. Early 80's he had Kishore but true later he was not there. So do we take that RDB magic was due to this combination and he was unable to create it with others? Don't you think he should have tried other options too (though don't see many from that period. 😆 )


Ok first of all he didnt fail.. he made kudrat, rocky, yeh waada raha..parinda in late 80's and some really good music.. yes he had a lot of ok music.. buts thats true for all. Op nayyar failed in his 80's/90's attempts...so did naushad and khayyam...
Also its not because of kk that RDB was successful... but they brought the best out of each other so when KK passed away.. RDB might have been veri depressed...
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Congrats ID... here is my question....

If by some quirk of space and time.1970's RDB came alive and planned to contribute compositions...to bollywood of today...w
Who would be his favorite
1. male singer
KK, Abhijeet, K Sanu, Shaan
2. lyricist
Javed Akhtar, Prasoon Joshi
3. female singer

Shreya for sure, Sunidhi
4. actor for who he will prefer to give music...
SRK IMO
5. major competitor.. Himmy bhai, pritam or vishal shekhar...etc assuming here that they dont hold him with a sense of awe for his past achievements out of another quirk of fate...😊
6. Would he be successful?
Yes qerty bhai he should be successful though not always but again once in 2-3 years like 1942 a love stroy also going by the fact all musicians pass prime he would have passed the same> Since taste of crowd has changed he should be getting competition from eveyr one including Himesh, Pritam, VS.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Here is some thing on M Rafi and RDB qwerty bhai
People have a wrong conception of the fact that RD Burman underestimated Rafi, which is not true. He had tremendous respect for the man with the golden voice. The only lacuna was that RD Burman had a lot of inherent classical skill which he did not get any scope of showing due to the demand of popular music except in the films of Gulzar. In Kinara, 1977, "Naam Gum Jayega", "Meethe Bol Bole" sung by Bhupinder Singh, shows RD Burman's gharana. Had Rafi survived for a longer period of time and had RD Burman got more opportunities to blend eastern and western music, the combination could have provided everlasting creations for future generations to cherish. Rafi's archive should also contain the compositions of RD Burman which are admired by the modern generation and should be restored for music lovers of different ages.
He received the maximum appreciation from music lovers with his compositions in the film Teesri Manzil, 1966. All the songs were sung by Mohammad Rafi. All the songs were superhits, including "O haseena zulfonwali", "Aja aja", "Dewaana tujhsa nahin", " janeman janeja, tumne muhhe dekha hoker meherba", "O mere sona re sona re sona re." The rock and roll flavour of Shammi Kapoor, which was started by Shankar Jaikishan in films like Junglee, 1961, songs like "Asman se aya farishta" in An Evening in Paris, 1967, "Aj kal tere mere pyar ke charche har jawan par" in Brahmchari, 1967, was matched by RD Burman in Teesri Manzil, 1966, and he gave the message to the Indian audience that he had arrived in the musical arena and was going to be a leading composer in future.


The relationship of RD Burman with Rafi continued in films like Pyar ka Mausam, 1969, where the songs like "Tum bin jayun kahan", "Ni sultana re pyar ka mausam aya" were major hits. RD Burman developed a beat of his own which marked his identity in the 1970s. The biggest success came in 1970, with the film Karwa, where the songs " kitna pyara wada" "are ho goriyan kahan tera desh re" were superhits, and Rafi's voice balanced the choreographic skills of Jeetender for whom the maximum number of songs were sung by Rafi. For a short period RD Burman composed songs for Kishorekumar in films like Amar prem, Kari Patang, but that was due to the fact it matched with the voice of Rajesh Khanna.


Whenever RD Burman reverted back to Rafi, the songs were successful as ever, like "Yaadon ki Baarat," "Chura liya hai tumne jo dilko", in the film Yaadon ki Baarat, 1973, "Yeh ladka hai alla kaisa hai diwana", in Hum kisi se kum nahi, 1977. In fact Rafi's outstanding combination with Rishi Kapoor compelled RD Burman to provide the successful qawalli "Hai agar dushman zamana gham nahi ghan nahi", in Hum Kisi se kum Nahi, which Rafi only could sing. The same film provided Rafi with the National award in 1977 with the song "Kya hua tera wada". Further the musical competition in the film had Rafi and Kishore singing songs, including "chand mera dil", etc.


The combination of RD Burman with Rafi continued in Rishi Kapoor's film, "Zamane ko dikhana hai" where "Sochenge pyar kya hua" with Asha Bhosle, was a major hit. Further in the film Burning Train, 1980, the biggest hit was the qawalli sung by Rafi and Asha, titled "pal do pal ka saath hamaara". The action of Dharmender and Vinod Khanna was balanced by the excellent choreography of Jeetender in the song "Pal do Pal", and superlative performance of Rafi.

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