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Mangothyme

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Posted: 7 years ago

#781

Originally posted by: moonwearer
Confidence and independent thinking is really what sets Ladoo apart. Anami though is over confident and despite her fiercely protective nature ,she is not very discerning. Her reasoning is clouded by her hatred. When there is this blind, unreasonable hatred, there is a certain arrogance ,pride that will topple her from her . She needs to drop the holier than thou attitude.

Most anyone will hate a mother who gave her up, then waltzed in 17 years later when the other child she kept with her died and threatened the only parents she knew with jail. Anami's hatred of Satrupa is not blind or undeserving. Deserving because of the disdain she treats the Pandits and insists she is the mother because she gave birth without doing anything much. Satrupa is not a good mother because she gave up one child and was so rigid with another she drove him to his death. She excels as a mentor because that is what she will be to Ladoo and if Anami gets down from her high horse, can teach her too. But as long as Satrupa insists she is mom she will never have a relationship with Anami. She needs to drop that attitude first.

Ladoo is a child with Pandit genes so he does not have the tevar or attitude which Anami gets directly from Satrupa through her genes and Baldev's sense of entitlement through his which even Pandit parvarish does not eradicate.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#782

@vidya the shagun Pujan pays shows Avdhoot will mess things up for Pujan. The duo of Anami and Ladoo will do him in and wealth will go from Pujan hands.

@usha Pujan claims to be Arjun and calls Baldev Krishna. One thing people forget is that you dont declare yourself Narayan, it is others who see you as Narayan based on your actions. I love these lines from Siya Ke Ram.

Jeevan mein Jeevan ki bhasha, Manvatha ki tum paribhasha.

Narayan se Nar ki Leela, Nar se Narayan ka jhola.

Dheeru also tells dont be Ram, be like Krishna to Adhi. When you tell that what is forgotten fundamentally is that Narayan is same whether you call him Ram or whether you call him Shyam. He is the one who speaks the language of life, he is the representative of humanity. And he is not seen, he is felt. The one whom you feel, the one who speaks the language of life, one who stands up for humanity wears Narayan's jhola, yes he is the one who becomes Narayan through his actions.

@simran Anami is on her quest to find truth. And believe me I want her to find it on her own. We dont know what Naina wants. She is a character in herself.

@mangothyme what differentiates Anami and Ladoo is the fact that one has pre conceived notions, the other doesnt have. Ladoo take things as they come. I had no issue Anami didnt trust Satrupa. Her past plays an important role there and Satrupa has a long way to go to gain her daughter's trust. But the egoistic self confidence she shows with respect to dadi's and Adhi's warning is what make her headstrong and has now resulted in this move of new business from Baldev. And maybe you are right Vikku wanted Dheeru to do the dirty work. As such he had bought Satrupa to clean up the mess his son has created. Vikku also is very shrewd player. That's why Ladoo is important. The kid is not considered any threat by anyone. But the way he says this milk is not pure, he will bring out certain things in LM which people dont anticipate. By the time they understand what is happening it will be late.

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simran_singh_24

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Posted: 7 years ago

#783

Shruthi, I take Naina as a metaphor for witness, a witness to Sudha's real face & her past. The face she's hiding from Anami ,which Satrupa is trying to bring out.
Only Naina knows what she had been upto in her missing years and unlike Narrottam she is not bound by blood ties and coming to LM, she might even be free of her Stockholm syndrome😆
. She's now in Satrupa's hands.And earlier Anami asked Adhi whetehr she should send Naina to him & he refused.
My guess is unlike Bhima who chose to die rather than betray his boss, Naina will sell out Sudha.
Just because Sudha nevr treated her the way Anami treats Poonam or Satrupa treats Damoo/ Pujan treated Bhima. I liked Pujan when he said, "I want my Bhima" He valued him as a person, Sudha treats Naina like a toy. And it's gonna break soon with some meddling from Satrupa.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#784

@simran that is the difference between Pujan and Sudha. pujan values the people who are with him for his cause. He loves Kamini, he loves his son and yes of course he cares for his henchman.

But Sudha only uses. It is ultimately her motive. And that includes her son Narotham whom he has filled with poison. He is just a means for her to get the throne nothing more.

Yes Naina is a witness. As I said earlier her name tells one who saw. Also Narotham does have soft corner for Anami. I am not sure whether he wants his sister dead. I dont think so and I feel that will be the turning point.

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simran_singh_24

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Posted: 7 years ago

#785

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@simran that is the difference between Pujan and Sudha. pujan values the people who are with him for his cause. He loves Kamini, he loves his son and yes of course he cares for his henchman.
But Sudha only uses. It is ultimately her motive. And that includes her son Narotham whom he has filled with poison. He is just a means for her to get the throne nothing more.
Yes Naina is a witness. As I said earlier her name tells one who saw. Also Narotham does have soft corner for Anami. I am not sure whether he wants his sister dead. I dont think so and I feel that will be the turning point.

@bold- Shruthi- Satrupa said this time she'll wound Sudha badly & erase her naam & nishan, may be something will happen to Narrotam.

Narrotam has to come on his own like Avdhoot. Avdhoot shares his father's dreams for him & happy to kill for it.They've to develop Narrotam's char in parallel to anami & Avdhoot, as contenders for the throne. Right now too much ficus on Sudha& her ambitions.

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Usha

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Posted: 7 years ago

#786

You know Shruthi, thusbthread one of the reasons why I have latched on to this show.I love to read Ur analysis soon after the show.I keep waiting for Ur say and others too. Thanks every one ihere for making this show so special to me. My daughter keeps teasing me when I keep looking for Ur views on the day's episode.

Vikram is using Dheeru to stop Baldev, and Dheeru knows it.Still he is playing along . Genuine concern for RS? or to settle a score with Vikram and Baldev?.Dheerus character is layered. He is the Krishna for Adhiraj?. He is not overly protective towards his son.He is also not letting him on everthing that he knows. At the same time he does give him the general direction.

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deejagi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#787

Shruthi after yesterday's episode, I have slightly different opinions than what I had earlier. With regards to Vatsalya's photo, looks like Pujan has implanted that in Sudha's belongings than Sudha replacing that with Purushotham photo. It was clear from the way he smirked when Gayathri mentioned the name of Sudha for BD's change in behaviour. He knows the each nerve string of LM wasis and using that to his benefits. On one side he instigate BD to start his own business there by infuriate Vikram against BD and vice versa. He knew very well that I'd they have to start the new venture, money had to be pumped from RS and the paperwork has to go through dheeru and he will object that investment. This will increase the distance between the son and father and also the whole LM wasis will hate Veeru for refusing to divert some funds to the New venture.

All in all, he is trying to kill all the birds in one stone.

He has created the distance between Vikram and BD again which was disappeared for some time.

He has rekindled BD's hatred towards dheeru.

With this neither Satrupa nor Gayathri can support Veeru directly as it will land them as back stabbers in the eyes of BD.

Come what may, Dheeru will not agree to invest rs money in in venture which will make him a conspirator who doesn't want the growth of BD.

Satrupa and Gayathri will hate Sudha more than earlier and will evict both Sudha and her son from LM which will pave way for Avdoot.

What he under estimated was Satrupa will stand by BD this time and will find a way to start his venture which will give him the satisfaction as well as confidence in his ability and will make him join hands with her. It can also make Vikram rethink on his disposition about his son in initial days. That also will give BD some time to be active and creative than mopping in his room filled with alcohol.

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deejagi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#788

@ Shruthi, I still feel Bheema is alive and only the news of his death has been spread around. ( Like Ashwathama death news to make Dronacharya drop his weapon). And Bheema was not aware of the fact that his master was really ready to kill him when he said if he reached the court, he was sure of his rescue operation and not death operation. So once he recovers, he will dig the hole for Pujan.

Ladoo does not have any prefixed theory to hate the whole LM wasis after he saw how well they are treating his sister and taking care of him. So he is free to judge people on their true appearance when they are off guard.

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naq5

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Posted: 7 years ago

#789

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@vidya the shagun Pujan pays shows Avdhoot will mess things up for Pujan. The duo of Anami and Ladoo will do him in and wealth will go from Pujan hands.
@usha Pujan claims to be Arjun and calls Baldev Krishna. One thing people forget is that you dont declare yourself Narayan, it is others who see you as Narayan based on your actions. I love these lines from Siya Ke Ram.

Jeevan mein Jeevan ki bhasha, Manvatha ki tum paribhasha.
Narayan se Nar ki Leela, Nar se Narayan ka jhola.

Dheeru also tells dont be Ram, be like Krishna to Adhi. When you tell that what is forgotten fundamentally is that Narayan is same whether you call him Ram or whether you call him Shyam. He is the one who speaks the language of life, he is the representative of humanity. And he is not seen, he is felt. The one whom you feel, the one who speaks the language of life, one who stands up for humanity wears Narayan's jhola, yes he is the one who becomes Narayan through his actions.

@simran Anami is on her quest to find truth. And believe me I want her to find it on her own. We dont know what Naina wants. She is a character in herself.

@mangothyme what differentiates Anami and Ladoo is the fact that one has pre conceived notions, the other doesnt have. Ladoo take things as they come. I had no issue Anami didnt trust Satrupa. Her past plays an important role there and Satrupa has a long way to go to gain her daughter's trust. But the egoistic self confidence she shows with respect to dadi's and Adhi's warning is what make her headstrong and has now resulted in this move of new business from Baldev. And maybe you are right Vikku wanted Dheeru to do the dirty work. As such he had bought Satrupa to clean up the mess his son has created. Vikku also is very shrewd player. That's why Ladoo is important. The kid is not considered any threat by anyone. But the way he says this milk is not pure, he will bring out certain things in LM which people dont anticipate. By the time they understand what is happening it will be late.

the issue with anami not believing dadi or even Adhi is satrupa. As soon as she starts thinking over what Adhi said, satrupa brings laddu and threatens Anami with him. That makes her more stubborn not to listen. See if someone is threatening you family you are obviously going to see that person as villain and believe sudha who is right now an abla nari in front of anami.

With laddu satrupa has never threatened in front of him. she has done the threatening part in front of anami or her parents. so laddu dosent know this face of satrupa, so he is able to accept her for what she is and form a good opinion of her. Im sure if he sees that side of satrupa where she has threatened anami to send her parents to jail even his opinion will not be good of her.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#790

@Usha thanks for the compliment. I also write because I know I have readers who love to see my take. 😃. See Dheeru wants justice and he is fighting the battle for justice. RS matters to him, because it is his sweat also. Also his views are socialistic and he believes if RS is shut down hundreds of people will go jobless and their family will suffer. So RS and its future is important to Dheeru. But the way he thinks for RS is not the way LMwasis think as they are capitalists. Now someone has to cut mid path which is Anami who has to take both capitalist and socialist view and take the best out of it so that RS prospers and along with that the families associated with it also prospers.

The one who drives a company, one who drives the nation, one who leads a team carries a lot of responsibility. It is a thin walk between freedom and control and not everyone can do it. Either it becomes freedom or it becomes control. Either too much individuality or no individuality at all. The ability to manage freedom and responsibility lies with leaders and managers. A good manager manages it well. Where only the direction happens but the choice is with the other individual. And in true direction the option to make mistake has to be there and fall back option needs to be provided. If it is not there, it is called subtle threat or manipulation which people call in the name of direction. Dheeru doesnt impose choice. He allows his son to fail and then get back. So yes he is giving direction.

@naq Satrupa bringing Ladoo cannot be taken for Anami not listening to dadi or Adhi. Because Ladoo was the last resort for Satrupa and to be frank because of him, finally Anami does think about what dadi and Adhi said about Sudha and tries to find the truth.

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