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meera

@mira

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Posted: 7 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: ...Deeksha...

@ Mira

This comment I have posted in other post to buy I find it apt here for your last para pages here. Same as your view but a slight difference

For me Satrupa is no less then Kunthi when it comes to twins birth. She need to keep one child that to boy and sacrifice the girl. Here Satrupa has taken correct step by choosing a boy over girl. Because if she kept boy and have girl away. Then her family may force her for boy child and if not it is indirectly the heritage goes to avdoot. As much as we feel sick this the society where girl on throne is still discriminated. Then what has changed, then the answer is trust. Trust that family has on Satrupa, that she will take every step soch samajkey. If the same happened 17 years back then Balraj would be made to marry other girl.

I was only suspecting that Satrupa had a very solid reason for her action. She could very well be Kunti too.. A mother who thought of her own social standings and situation ... she was not wrong. But she did wrong her child...

She is Kunti and Krishna ... Kunti wouldnt have played this game of thrones (although one version of MB written by M.T, which will soon be made into movie shows her as a manipulative powerful person as Satrupa is in our story. But this is just one persons POV novel)

So I am attributing some facets of Krishna to Satrupa ... Her end game is justice and she will use any means to reach their ... but she is not Krishna ... and unlike Krishna, she doesnt know that fine line ...

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

Stunner

+ 2

Posted: 7 years ago

#12

@mira whenever I am in confusion I seek direction from Krishna. I consider him my best friend. Because as you rightly said what is right as per me may not be right, what is wrong for me may not be wrong. So I ask and believe me he shows path.i have experienced it and believe me if u get your goal in the path shown by him u will be more at peace. This I am telling from experience. He knows what I want more than me.But he tests me, break my perception, teach me and give me more than what I even have imagined. Each time I see a new facet of him. In nutshell he always breaks ur ego.

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bluecool

@bluecool

Explorer

Posted: 7 years ago

#13

Dheeru's advice was good. But Adhiraj needs preparation for fighting this battle. He is a straight forward person with fair sense of justice. But even his intentions are being questioned here. He should be prepared for all possible consequences of his actions.

He always seems to be going for confrontations but gets stumped on being cross questioned. He appears cool and confident in front of Anami but in front a veteran like Vikram loses his edge. His one dimensional view of this battle might coz more harm than good if he is not careful.

Regarding Anami's education, I feel the way Satrupa is going about it not proper. I mean, her daughter already hates her and she is hell bent on getting her way I.e making Anami agree for college without even a little consideration for what Anami is feeling.

And using her love for her foster family as her weakness is a blow below the belt. Its like Satrupa does not care about Anami's feelings. She could have given Anami a few more days to come to terms to understand that joining college is for her benefit. A few days difference would not have cost much and Anami willingly going is lot better than forced to go.

Gayatri could have easily got her to agree by making her understand.

A few kind words and caring gestures could do wonders as compared to continuously being blackmailed.

For once can Satrupa see Anami as person, a child yearning for the safe haven of Banaras and trying to fit into the highly politicised family where members don't have respect for each other and try to put down others at every opportunity.

She has already lost one child by forcing him to run due to her stubbornness. Must she repeat the mistake?

Can't she make Anami understand if not directly at least through Gayatri?

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Navya

@Navyya

Rocker

+ 3

Posted: 7 years ago

#14

Another *wow* post from you 👏...Gave me goosebumps all over.

One of my cousin had to take a decision which was not right moralistically but a great milestone in her career/success and she had 99.99% decided to go ahead with it but just before the LAST step of it,she went to our family guru ji to seek his blessings...he told her to ALWAYS remember one thing in life and that being..." jis cheez ko paaney ka tareeka galat hai uska annt hamesha galat hogo" ...thats when my cousin decided to NOT go ahead with whatever was required for her to do and she chose the right path. This post took me back to that moment with my cousin.

Dheeru told Adhiraj that Pujan is not smart enough to carry out the plans to destroy Royal Steel on his own so it means there is another enemy whom we are not aware of...it can not be Sudha because Pujan and his family treat Narrotam in the most humiliating way and it's not in Sudha's interest to have Avdoot as the heir,isn't it ??

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soumya

@Ayuzawa

Dazzler

+ 4

Posted: 7 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
What dheeru gave to his son is one of the main tests through which a character is judged.There is an idiom end justify the means.But I will always say choose the right means time will ensure right end will happen. The basis of dharma and adharma is also this line. If end had justified means kauravas should have won the war after killing abhimanyu in chakravyuha.it didn't happen. The ability to chose right means under moral conflict show the strength of ur character. The choice of arjun. Narayan over narayani Sena. Yes adhiraj had no need to tell vikram.But dheeru tells the need. Hunger of the poor that gets trapped in these power games. He is responsible to do something to prevent that.I am happy dheeru gave anonymous call to baldev also. Adhiraj still don't know sudha. The game changer. Whatever I loved father -son convo.in contrast to adhiraj anami is forced into battle. Where choices are forced on her. But what anami doesn't understand is all satrupa does is not wrong. It is her age to study as gayatri said. Anami need to go a long way in understanding revenge and justice which to some extent adhiraj understand looking at his dealing with his father.

@bold

but then Arjun killing Karna and the way indra took Karna's kavach was all justified by the end even though the means to reach there were adharma. so it is selective as to what is right. your means are acceptable as long as the end you desire is the right one. that is why I believe that the end does justify the means.

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Benzaiten

@Minionite

Channel Moderator

+ 43

Posted: 7 years ago

#16

What Dheeru said today is so true and what you say applies.

It's not just about the battle. It's about you. It's about the change, the suffering, the pain, and the sacrifices. Any battle asks for sacrifices, no matter how small. It could be you and your sibling's battle over a room. One of you loses and makes a sacrifice. You suffer, you might even bleed.

Sure the ends justify the means, but the means defines who you are. And that's the whole point of Dheeru's comment. He's telling Adhiraj to fight, but not to forget who he is in the midst. Not to forget his upbringing. Not to make the wrong choice in the midst of the battle. Not to forget those who are innocent and are unnecessarily being dragged into the battle or those who want out, but are not being able to get out.

Yesterday when Dheeru called Baldev I was unsure as to why, but now I understand. He wants revenge, he wants to fight a battle, but at the same time he doesn't want the innocent to get dragged into the battle and martyred unnecessarily. He wants to give them a chance to survive and get out.

Anami will slowly understand that. While Satrupa is wrong to continuously bring Anami's family into their fight, it's the only way she can teach Anami that sometimes you need to do certain things to save the innocent, in this case Anami's family. And slowly Anami will understand that as her relationships with Gayatri and Adhiraj grow and they directly or indirectly teach her these lessons.

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646714

Hibernated

Posted: 7 years ago

#17

This story is just going all out guns blazing 👏

Dheeru the father: he's awesome. He knows his son is nursing the bruises of the past, his past is making him respond to the present with blinkers on. Battles are won by strategy but sometimes the best of strategies can fail if the chosen battle is wrong.

Adhiraj is still a child when it comes to the personal vendetta against the ones who wronged him. He needs training and dheeru is doing that in a very clever manner. What'll we do without fathers like Dheeru 😳

Satrupa the mother is looking at the long term needs of her child her family. Anami thinks God is with her to win this battle against her mother! What she'll soon realise is battle is never about she against Satrupa it's about Anami of Banares against Anami of the Lal mahal!!
Did she realise that for the first time she claimed the Haq of the Poti of the Mahal to Kamini 😃

Thankfully Satrupa is still who she's been strong willed, unforgiving and ruthless. She might take the lowest cheapest trick from the rule book if she is forced to but she'll definitely have her way.

I know mothers have the ability to arm twist their kids to get their way 😆 strong mothers look out for their children. They'll pretend to close their eyes to the tears in their child's eyes if it's for their good!

Anami needs an education Pathak or not!! In her stubbornness she forgets that time and tide waits for none!!

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AntiDDT

@FraudBB

Stunner

+ 9

Posted: 7 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@deeksha yes it was an important lesson. Coming to satrupa she had to be intimidate because anami was adamant. @mira didn't Krishna knew what was going to happen to abhimanyu.second Krishna is about justice not revenge. Pandavas also had to pay for what happened to panchali in infamous hall of dice.he couldn't eliminate that karma which pandavas pay with their children. But he reduces the impact by saving parikshit. The message was clear. Disrespect to woman is war and end of lineage. If u look from arjun perspective Krishna does adharma. Takes curse of gandhari too.he is God. For arjun he does adharma. If u stand in arjun position i only told chose the right path from ur end.leave the decision of adharma dharma to him. If ur path is right he stands in defence. And u need to know he is justice. So as per ur karma u will also lose something but he will reduce the impact. Don't try to be Krishna unless u have his knowledge of dharma adharma. Try to be arjun and surrender to him. I always tell don't judge Krishna without knowing arjun.it is like seeing flower without understanding it's fragrance. It is like seeing light without understanding vaccum. If u need to understand Krishna become his arjuna .

@bold what was draupadi karma
what did she do wrong that she lost all her kids?

Arjun had his grandson remaining after the war but draupadi everything was gone

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naq5

@naq5

Rocker

Posted: 7 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: bluecool
Dheeru's advice was good. But Adhiraj needs preparation for fighting this battle. He is a straight forward person with fair sense of justice. But even his intentions are being questioned here. He should be prepared for all possible consequences of his actions.
He always seems to be going for confrontations but gets stumped on being cross questioned. He appears cool and confident in front of Anami but in front a veteran like Vikram loses his edge. His one dimensional view of this battle might coz more harm than good if he is not careful.

Regarding Anami's education, I feel the way Satrupa is going about it not proper. I mean, her daughter already hates her and she is hell bent on getting her way I.e making Anami agree for college without even a little consideration for what Anami is feeling.
And using her love for her foster family as her weakness is a blow below the belt. Its like Satrupa does not care about Anami's feelings. She could have given Anami a few more days to come to terms to understand that joining college is for her benefit. A few days difference would not have cost much and Anami willingly going is lot better than forced to go.
Gayatri could have easily got her to agree by making her understand.

A few kind words and caring gestures could do wonders as compared to continuously being blackmailed.

For once can Satrupa see Anami as person, a child yearning for the safe haven of Banaras and trying to fit into the highly politicised family where members don't have respect for each other and try to put down others at every opportunity.
She has already lost one child by forcing him to run due to her stubbornness. Must she repeat the mistake?
Can't she make Anami understand if not directly at least through Gayatri?

agree with you she is no Krishna. Krishna as far as i have read never blackmailed anyone, he always allowed a person to choose his path.

I dont see a mother in her too. she is just like she herself said a caretaker of royal steel looking for a waaris in her own blood. A mother would never blackmail her child over her other mother nor she would want to make a child homeless. Also she has no gratitude towards the people who brought her own child up with so much love and affection. That is because she still feels no deep love for anami and in return feels no love for the family that gave her love. Anami for her is only a heir. The only time i felt her love was when Anami broke her hunger strike otherwise she has been very callus towards her. upbringing is important you dont connect as a mother just by giving birth

i doubt if she was a good mother to vatsalya too. Otherwise why would he have felt stiffed & run away leaving his own mother. whatever attachment she had it was only because she bought him up, here anami was not with her since birth so she feels detached. I would like to know why is she so bothered about the heir of a family legacy she isnt attached to by birth, who were ready to throw her out of the house in one go. why for all this she has sacrificed her own son & now sacrificing her daughters happiness. Money & power are not everything vatsalya lost his life running away from this & now anami too is being forced to get involved in all this

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naq5

@naq5

Rocker

Posted: 7 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: Ayuzawa

@bold
but then Arjun killing Karna and the way indra took Karna's kavach was all justified by the end even though the means to reach there were adharma. so it is selective as to what is right. your means are acceptable as long as the end you desire is the right one. that is why I believe that the end does justify the means.

what krishna did with karna's kavach was equalizing the opponents. What he did with drona & karna, we forget what happened with abhimanyu. till abhimanyu happened it was a fair battle. he started the battle with dharma. the adharma started from the kaurava's side hence krishna also did the same with them. i dont think it was a case of adharma to reach the right path.

In anami & satrupas case it has always been satrupa who has choosen the wrong path and wronged anami. From giving her up to putting her parents in jail to get her back to lal mahal. So anami is also returning the favor to her. somewhere in all this it is satrupa who has to bow down because the the start of wrong doings has been initiated by her. Firstly she has to stop piling on her mistakes, blackmailing anami by threatning to put her parents in jail is one of them. actually anami was giving it a second thought when gayatri spoke to her. satrupa had to spoil it by doing sauda with her. i dont understand how long does she expect to continue her mission through blackmailing. in a year anami will turn 18 & in that 1 year satrupa has to win anamis trust and forgiveness otherwise nothing will bind her to stay

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