You chose the battle. Circumstances decide how battle is fought

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Posted: 7 years ago
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What dheeru gave to his son is one of the main tests through which a character is judged.There is an idiom end justify the means.But I will always say choose the right means time will ensure right end will happen. The basis of dharma and adharma is also this line. If end had justified means kauravas should have won the war after killing abhimanyu in chakravyuha.it didn't happen. The ability to chose right means under moral conflict show the strength of ur character. The choice of arjun. Narayan over narayani Sena. Yes adhiraj had no need to tell vikram.But dheeru tells the need. Hunger of the poor that gets trapped in these power games. He is responsible to do something to prevent that.I am happy dheeru gave anonymous call to baldev also. Adhiraj still don't know sudha. The game changer. Whatever I loved father -son convo.in contrast to adhiraj anami is forced into battle. Where choices are forced on her. But what anami doesn't understand is all satrupa does is not wrong. It is her age to study as gayatri said. Anami need to go a long way in understanding revenge and justice which to some extent adhiraj understand looking at his dealing with his father.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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I liked your analysis.
For me this the first time seeing father giving son the important shastra to defeat the bad along with gyan that is needed. Dheeru explained every single thing without stutter and showed the scope in and out of the Lal Mahal that to going against his moral values. Adiraj should control his anxiety his way is andey godhey ki chaal. When he failed many times and cannot find the real culprit why is he hell bent on falling his face down.

Anami and Satrupa

Anami should start thinking now why Satrupa is doing something. Though the blackmail made Satrupa in black light but still Anami should understand. Satrupa has proved that she is the main controller if she can sow a seed then she will not go back till she cut the roots when time comes.

I'm also having maths phobia like Anami.


The precap got me intriguated, The way Anami actually questioned today's educational system.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Nice post, Shruti. 👏
Indeed!
Loved that advice Dheeru gave his son.
No matter how you want to fight the battle, at times the battle decides how you want to go about it.
Adhiraj wants it to be fair, inspired by his mother's ideals... Something Dheeraj respects, yet he can't help telling his son to be prepared for the worst... For this was a battle that would test your very core...that would require you to fight it by its terms.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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A very interesting point you made...End justifies the means... But in this I always had a different interpretation ... It was not just Kaurava's, lord Krishna to an extent enforced this idea... the killing of Karna who was defenseless, the trick of solar eclipse or the final implied lie to murder Drona... the end was victory of dharma ...but Krishna's means were not always righteous

I am seeing a Krishna in Satrupa ... There is a point in MB where Karna enters battle field... with his unbeatable weapon Satki. He had kept it for Arjun... and Arjun alone was his aim. But in the larger scheme of things, Krishna wanted Arjun to live ... so he was the one to suggest to make Kadholkacha the pawn. Let lose the half demon son of Bhima on the kuru army ... make it so impossible for Karna to do nothing but to aim the one time usable Shakti astra on him...Was it right? Half demon or not, he was but a child ... a son. What was the justification to this? anything but the end game ... The aim of putting the righteous man on the throne ...

Wasnt Satrupa also doing something same? She sacrificed Anami ... to have Vatsalya alive ... to put him on the thrones that she deemed his birth right. A girl will not be accepted by society ... she will be forced to give a male heir ... with a man she might no longer be in love with... was she right? No... but maybe her aim wasnt all that bad ... we are yett to see that
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@chicksoup ar mother ideals will be tested again and again in the slippery slope.can ar stick to it. He has to as only jyothi can defeat sudha and her nefarious plans
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@deeksha yes it was an important lesson. Coming to satrupa she had to be intimidate because anami was adamant. @mira didn't Krishna knew what was going to happen to abhimanyu.second Krishna is about justice not revenge. Pandavas also had to pay for what happened to panchali in infamous hall of dice.he couldn't eliminate that karma which pandavas pay with their children. But he reduces the impact by saving parikshit. The message was clear. Disrespect to woman is war and end of lineage. If u look from arjun perspective Krishna does adharma. Takes curse of gandhari too.he is God. For arjun he does adharma. If u stand in arjun position i only told chose the right path from ur end.leave the decision of adharma dharma to him. If ur path is right he stands in defence. And u need to know he is justice. So as per ur karma u will also lose something but he will reduce the impact. Don't try to be Krishna unless u have his knowledge of dharma adharma. Try to be arjun and surrender to him. I always tell don't judge Krishna without knowing arjun.it is like seeing flower without understanding it's fragrance. It is like seeing light without understanding vaccum. If u need to understand Krishna become his arjuna .
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Originally posted by: mira

A very interesting point you made...End justifies the means... But in this I always had a different interpretation ... It was not just Kaurava's, lord Krishna to an extent enforced this idea... the killing of Karna who was defenseless, the trick of solar eclipse or the final implied lie to murder Drona... the end was victory of dharma ...but Krishna's means were not always righteous

I am seeing a Krishna in Satrupa ... There is a point in MB where Karna enters battle field... with his unbeatable weapon Satki. He had kept it for Arjun... and Arjun alone was his aim. But in the larger scheme of things, Krishna wanted Arjun to live ... so he was the one to suggest to make Kadholkacha the pawn. Let lose the half demon son of Bhima on the kuru army ... make it so impossible for Karna to do nothing but to aim the one time usable Shakti astra on him...Was it right? Half demon or not, he was but a child ... a son. What was the justification to this? anything but the end game ... The aim of putting the righteous man on the throne ...

Wasnt Satrupa also doing something same? She sacrificed Anami ... to have Vatsalya alive ... to put him on the thrones that she deemed his birth right. A girl will not be accepted by society ... she will be forced to give a male heir ... with a man she might no longer be in love with... was she right? No... but maybe her aim wasnt all that bad ... we are yett to see that


@ Mira

This comment I have posted in other post to buy I find it apt here for your last para pages here. Same as your view but a slight difference

For me Satrupa is no less then Kunthi when it comes to twins birth. She need to keep one child that to boy and sacrifice the girl. Here Satrupa has taken correct step by choosing a boy over girl. Because if she kept boy and have girl away. Then her family may force her for boy child and if not it is indirectly the heritage goes to avdoot. As much as we feel sick this the society where girl on throne is still discriminated. Then what has changed, then the answer is trust. Trust that family has on Satrupa, that she will take every step soch samajkey. If the same happened 17 years back then Balraj would be made to marry other girl.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: mira

A very interesting point you made...End justifies the means... But in this I always had a different interpretation ... It was not just Kaurava's, lord Krishna to an extent enforced this idea... the killing of Karna who was defenseless, the trick of solar eclipse or the final implied lie to murder Drona... the end was victory of dharma ...but Krishna's means were not always righteous

I am seeing a Krishna in Satrupa ... There is a point in MB where Karna enters battle field... with his unbeatable weapon Satki. He had kept it for Arjun... and Arjun alone was his aim. But in the larger scheme of things, Krishna wanted Arjun to live ... so he was the one to suggest to make Kadholkacha the pawn. Let lose the half demon son of Bhima on the kuru army ... make it so impossible for Karna to do nothing but to aim the one time usable Shakti astra on him...Was it right? Half demon or not, he was but a child ... a son. What was the justification to this? anything but the end game ... The aim of putting the righteous man on the throne ...

Wasnt Satrupa also doing something same? She sacrificed Anami ... to have Vatsalya alive ... to put him on the thrones that she deemed his birth right. A girl will not be accepted by society ... she will be forced to give a male heir ... with a man she might no longer be in love with... was she right? No... but maybe her aim wasnt all that bad ... we are yett to see that

MY POINT EVEN
LIKE KRISHNA EVEN AFTER KNOWING ABOUT KARNA TRUTH OF BEING TRUTH USED IT IN HIS OWN FAVOUR
LIKEWISE EVEN AFTER KNOWING ABOUT NAROTTAM SHE WAS NOT ABLE TO GIVE HIM JUSTICE FULLY BECAUSE OF FEAR AS HE HAS DURYODHAN IN THE FORM OF SHUDHA
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@deeksha yes it was an important lesson. Coming to satrupa she had to be intimidate because anami was adamant. @mira didn't Krishna knew what was going to happen to abhimanyu.second Krishna is about justice not revenge. Pandavas also had to pay for what happened to panchali in infamous hall of dice.he couldn't eliminate that karma which pandavas pay with their children. But he reduces the impact by saving parikshit. The message was clear. Disrespect to woman is war and end of lineage. If u look from arjun perspective Krishna does adharma. Takes curse of gandhari too.he is God. For arjun he does adharma. If u stand in arjun position i only told chose the right path from ur end.leave the decision of adharma dharma to him. If ur path is right he stands in defence. And u need to know he is justice. So as per ur karma u will also lose something but he will reduce the impact. Don't try to be Krishna unless u have his knowledge of dharma adharma. Try to be arjun and surrender to him. I always tell don't judge Krishna without knowing arjun.it is like seeing flower without understanding it's fragrance. It is like seeing light without understanding vaccum. If u need to understand Krishna become his arjuna .



Hi Sruthi (hope I can address you so)...this is indeed an interesting conversation 😊

Agree with you that Krishna stood for justice and never for revenge ... but he did use the fire of Drupadi's revenge as a tool for justice... nothing would have motivated the righteous son of Dharma to seek for a war if not for the vengeance that was Draupati... She was Krishna's trump card in the great game he played to establish Dharma...Pandava's wouldnt have fought that war for only winning a piece of land ... the unrest that Panchali created in their mind and honor was the driving force to the war...

Krishna is beyond everything ... even beyond the concept of truth. Understanding someone or something like that is near impossible ... but his actions did set a new rule. Some times, doing what you think is right is not your Dharma... Arjun didnt think it was right to fight his kins... his beloved grandfather...his guru. But his Dharma was to fight ... was justice ... not doing right by his kins. But this is upto each persons interpretation ...


Now off the topic :D since its about Krishna and by name itself I am in love with him :) ... he is one lord who anyone can love and follow and interpret the way they want. Some see the bal gopal in him ... love him like a son. Some see a lover in him. Some see a god ... some see a guru. He truly is one manifestation of THE energy that makes the world (I would love to believe that the supreme being is an energy or power that runs through all and everything). But in Krishna, ppl can lose their self... be one with that energy ... and one can love, claim , admire or worship him in any way ... for Arjun he was a guru and partner ... Nar and narayan... For some he can be just lover or for some he his a friend ...

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Originally posted by: ...Deeksha...


@ Mira

This comment I have posted in other post to buy I find it apt here for your last para pages here. Same as your view but a slight difference

For me Satrupa is no less then Kunthi when it comes to twins birth. She need to keep one child that to boy and sacrifice the girl. Here Satrupa has taken correct step by choosing a boy over girl. Because if she kept boy and have girl away. Then her family may force her for boy child and if not it is indirectly the heritage goes to avdoot. As much as we feel sick this the society where girl on throne is still discriminated. Then what has changed, then the answer is trust. Trust that family has on Satrupa, that she will take every step soch samajkey. If the same happened 17 years back then Balraj would be made to marry other girl.

sorry satrupa was having choice to keep both child with herself but kunti was not having any choice
if both child would be with her then also there was no question
she understood when guruji said that the child had to be kept away from lal mahal enemy and thus hse dacided to protect one

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