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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: FairyLiquidSoap

Pri interesting question

A bit of read for you as always but my answer is there somewhere😃

Hmm I am going to say it out RR does not have the emotional connect for me whether it be the characters or story presently All have lost resonance and yet I watch as a bad habit and because I can come to IF and share or joke whenever I get some free time RR initially had a great feel to it the grandeur in the settings the costumes the actors and I don't mean just the leads and most importantly a spectacular story waiting to be told It had a very superior feel for a desi soap and was quite enjoyable viewing The editing the continuity the scene flow were technically excellent not to mention the direction Oscar worthy hell no but certainly far more superior to other desi soaps

Then somewhere something happened whether it was the business divorce or the panicking over the TRP or a bad marketing strategy but RR lost its edge and plot Tracks open and close without rhyme and reason I appreciate there are no ever lasting MU but I also don't like the abrupt endings without proper closure The continuity is very badly missing The episodes always give me a feeling they are in some mighty rush to catch a train ergo fast and furious without making sense to the story

I did not join IF till near after 6 months of another serial airing because I saw no need to have any explanation of the story or characters I understood both perspectives as the story ensured and despite being handicapped in the Hindi language department Made do with YT English links it started with the premise of the promo and the story and wham both the characters got to you in the first week itself and worked till apocalypse

ST made one vital error in the beginning and people can argue till Kingdom come but alpha male characters and weakly written Female leads don't make for attractive TV viewing for the common folks Proven once already when the FL got dumbed down to accommodate the greatness of the ML and the TRP just sank He made the ML morally superior and the FL fanatical and on the wrong foot and compounded it by building up such a powerful sympathy for the male at the cost of making the FL seem stupid at times that regular TRP viewers were put off My Rajasthani neighbor case in point They started of as avid viewers especially when the military angle was playing and then got chuffed over the FL and the way the writers handled her They wanted to know why her side of the story was not being shown ( so they too think like me so I must be a TRP aunty myself😆) The more they showed him right and her wrong the more the disinterest set in for them (By the way never knew Bollywood and Desi TV was a great icebreaker to start conversations till I found out serendipitously) Take all the no 1 soaps of all 3 major networks and you will know what the audience want Do I want to watch them no I cant stand that genre but do I also want to watch a serial that is beautiful in random episodes but otherwise makes no sense that I have to come to IF to figure who said what to whom and why which the average viewer will not do Probably they will watch scenes that appeal and then always the remote to change when it does not

I am flummoxed and rather confused now Ok they wanted romance fine but again they are going about it rather inconsistently what happened to those 8 vows Was that scene conceived just to showcase AS method acting skills? For I don't see any reason right now given the current track and if they resurrect it later when all this romance is now about to bloom it will be a Doh moment for me and again disconnect for this love should have come up after a couple of weeks (notice I say week not months because of RR track record) of the vachans not hours By the way they are technically in a live in relationship with the blessings of the family elders and unlike Laila Paro has the advantage she is sharing a house with him so the Supreme Court ruling is on her side😛

I am not a fan of either character or actor for me to rise above and beyond the tracks and accept what is being shown I am increasingly giggling over the bloopers and blunders while a practical joke is being played on me when I am looking for dark intense Mohini and Sumer constantly come in my face Where is Mala Where is Tejawat and most importantly where the hell is Laila she needs to come out and play now

Having the hero look like a class act and the Heroine like a crass fool in many situations is certainly not helping the numbers I don't feel like crying for Paro as there has been minimum sympathy accorded to her sketch by the writers so I have no impactful connect Now with Rudra after feeling the emotional connect in the beginning I then found the repeated intentional and deliberate pull and tug the heart strings so overdone I emotionally distanced because of the overkill and don't feel a thing for him either

I am not going to question the writers over the way the plot should thicken for this is soap not real life and the only way dear Rudra could have avoided the loss of his job if ever in the first place was by handing her over to a women's prison cell in a military camp but then RR would never have progressed after that😆 but I do question the repeated usage of the FL as the scapegoat for the story to move forward and this happens in love stories only why?

Right now Rudra still has his halo and Paro does not evoke sympathy and until he loses it and she evokes it the numbers will not increase unless the PH and channel are content with the current loyal niche audience they have for RR In which case I will now and then make my Kostin / random posts to find some way of letting of steam and if I don't check into the forum for over 2 weeks you can safely assume I have quit RR

I forgot

the writers gave a Hail Mary Pass i guess so I do admire the spunkiness of Paro now and it is refreshing to watch a FL as open and direct as she is so and the leads communication NO MU ever all spoken out except Rudra's 2 secrets which will be the focus next I hope so that is the plus point


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Word! can't agree more with you. You have penned down exactly my feelings, which I couldn't have done myself so well. Also the reason to watch it! For me its not even a habit. I watch it, so that I can come to this forum and have some fun. Thats the sole reason I watch it nowadays.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I am no expert in the art of how to tell a story on TV, but I do watch a fair bit of TV. I will be honest, I do watch all kinds of genres even. Not ashamed to say that I also watch saas bahu dramas and loud sitcoms 😆 Yes, love stories makes one more invested. But I can tell an engaging story when I see one. I think RR has much promise. But somehow it has not transcended that and achieved its full. Sure there have been some streaks of brilliance, but not consistent.
Firstly I have to say, I don't find the storyline too bad. Itne paise mein itna hi milega. At the end of the day it is a daily soap, so by that standard it is not bad 😆Except that I feel there is too much reliance on Paro and Rudra only. Everyone else is just giving reactions. Which is yet another reason why I would like to see Rudra and Paro separate so that they can also tell us stories of some of the other characters.

Like Mohini is so chill about killing people, maybe some investment in her backstory will be nice. The actor playing Maithili is pretty good, but she needs to be more than just Paro & Rudra's shipper. Surely they can explore the baby angle. Even silly Sumer's Jaipur dreams. Also, while they have handled the Paro & Maithili friendship nicely, I think they can have conversations about things other than a man. Even if they can't bring back Tejawat, Mala and Laila, Dilsher must be be brought back. He is a good actor and has a fab equation with Rudra, Paro, Daanveer and Mohini. He is entertaining.

I feel the show suffers on execution. I think the first director change they got was good. He gave the story a sense of tehraav, which was important. If the pace were better, I think Paro would not have seemed so bizarre and Rudra so bi-polar. I like the fact that Paro is all spunky now and has a sense of calm strength. Which is lovely to see. But the overzealous religion thing is problematic. But there is going to be a separation by the looks of it and frankly that is the best thing that can happen to this show. Also, Ashish needs a haircut. In fact, I think that is the reason why the BSD won't reinstate him. He does not conform to the very strict requirements of what a soldier's hair should look like. The devil is after all in the details 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Devil is after all in details
Wonderful responses swati radikalaya and mimosa
Would like to respond to each of you individually
Slightly caught up with work
Will get back
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@swati
it is always a treat to read your post , they are so well structured

i agree will all of what you said , the intention of making this post is ,i felt the show is in a transition stage and the simple thing is all the changes or concepts boils down to whether you like the episode or not
whether you want to watch it or not

a lot of people liked it ...glad about that , but a few didnt , then why not make it a bit more clearer
address these issues
some time back , through a friend i remember talking about a show that is being aired in a similar space , they i mean the channel worked on the show for about a year before beginning the work , enormous amount of back ground work went into figuring whether to emphasis on the story or the characters
the entire research was to find that which will have better reception and how
the show didnt do well initially but is doing very well
this space is about every day adaption keeping the vision alive

here as far as RR is concerned , we can argue that love stories "trp aunties " as we call here do not like it , but so was office track , no liked it , but the trp topper is a show that shows a woman who aspired and becomes a IPS officer

how did they reach there , it took them years i agree but how did a office track hating trp aunty give all her love for this show

the trp aunties are the same , the target audience is the same i still cant watch an episode of the show , they changed the viewing habits of their own target audience

and how ???through correctly characterization and correct emphasis

CID another example , they have such childish crime stories there were much better crime show didnt work nothing close to CID
how ?
ACP pratuman , daya , abijeet the characters we associate with, the show can be watched by a 6 yr old child , that is their core competence
in most tele soaps that i feel characters are the core of the show
here i see an issue with RR ,what is its core competence
lets see , i think it is the characterization of rudra
the show is about a man who is not your regular guy , agreed , but what they should have done is make him so interesting that even if we dont relate to him , we want to see his reaction , his actions, here they fall apart

there are no big stars i n TV cos it is a daily affair , 3 hr i can waste , every day 20 min i cant

i also agree with the side characters , mohini she doesnt have a plan , she is just for the sake of getting a scene like here a hospital track , rudra shouting , no characterization at all

i used to like her in the beginning i dont any more , i just get bored

the show i still feel has a lot of potential , not just sanaya and ashish ,even the support cast is pretty good , the plot is different , trp and mainstream is a different ball game all together , just having a few kitchen scene doesnt make it for that target group



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Posted: 11 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: mimosa658


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Word! can't agree more with you. You have penned down exactly my feelings, which I couldn't have done myself so well. Also the reason to watch it! For me its not even a habit. I watch it, so that I can come to this forum and have some fun. Thats the sole reason I watch it nowadays.


the reason i ma sticking with the show is largely cos of the forum , but the reason i started watching this show is cos i felt /feel that this show had potential to be a meaning full show
i feel the makers also had a lot of expectation from this show

doesn't seem to have reached the expectation of the makers ,
as a viewer it is not my concern , but i like to find the reason


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: radhikalaya

I am no expert in the art of how to tell a story on TV, but I do watch a fair bit of TV. I will be honest, I do watch all kinds of genres even. Not ashamed to say that I also watch saas bahu dramas and loud sitcoms 😆 Yes, love stories makes one more invested. But I can tell an engaging story when I see one. I think RR has much promise. But somehow it has not transcended that and achieved its full. Sure there have been some streaks of brilliance, but not consistent.

Firstly I have to say, I don't find the storyline too bad. Itne paise mein itna hi milega. At the end of the day it is a daily soap, so by that standard it is not bad 😆Except that I feel there is too much reliance on Paro and Rudra only. Everyone else is just giving reactions. Which is yet another reason why I would like to see Rudra and Paro separate so that they can also tell us stories of some of the other characters.

Like Mohini is so chill about killing people, maybe some investment in her backstory will be nice. The actor playing Maithili is pretty good, but she needs to be more than just Paro & Rudra's shipper. Surely they can explore the baby angle. Even silly Sumer's Jaipur dreams. Also, while they have handled the Paro & Maithili friendship nicely, I think they can have conversations about things other than a man. Even if they can't bring back Tejawat, Mala and Laila, Dilsher must be be brought back. He is a good actor and has a fab equation with Rudra, Paro, Daanveer and Mohini. He is entertaining.

I feel the show suffers on execution. I think the first director change they got was good. He gave the story a sense of tehraav, which was important. If the pace were better, I think Paro would not have seemed so bizarre and Rudra so bi-polar. I like the fact that Paro is all spunky now and has a sense of calm strength. Which is lovely to see. But the overzealous religion thing is problematic. But there is going to be a separation by the looks of it and frankly that is the best thing that can happen to this show. Also, Ashish needs a haircut. In fact, I think that is the reason why the BSD won't reinstate him. He does not conform to the very strict requirements of what a soldier's hair should look like. The devil is after all in the details 😆

i think i have underlined the entire post 😆😆
it is a tele soap but i feel it is not a easy industry to survive , now that they have ventured into it why just try to survive
agree with you i felt the show has potential too i still do , the approach from my POV is not accurate

lets see the entire attention is on rudra's characterization which i think is the cor eiit is an man's prospective

but how do you characterize rudra
, my favorite love story of all time is fountain head
it is a complete man's story , it is about a ideal man , too good to be true , written by a woman , cos i see a woman's prospective in that , what is desirable and what is not

smrit made a post recently about the show lacking a female prospective , that is true not just about paro but about rudra as well
why are all the tele soaps family oriented except an occasional CID or crime patrol
but the major chunk is family shows unlike US based shows , except a modern family i cant really recall anything

here the family bonding is largely missing , when is the last time you heard samrat say anything , there is no family and some pumkin scene cannot make it one

so where exactly are we as a show , just some random dance scenes will not attract viewers for a daily soap , same with kitchen politics
3 months is long enough to answer where do you want to be
i hope they figured it out !

PS i loved the dance as such
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Posted: 11 years ago
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today's episode ?
i am little caught up with work , couldnt watch it live
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Posted: 11 years ago
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sorry to ask, may be you feel it is a stupid question (as i watch RR on and off) may be i missed the point in any of the episode...question is "why kaki want to kill paro? what are her reasons"
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ttt1


the reason i ma sticking with the show is largely cos of the forum , but the reason i started watching this show is cos i felt /feel that this show had potential to be a meaning full show
i feel the makers also had a lot of expectation from this show

doesn't seem to have reached the expectation of the makers ,
as a viewer it is not my concern , but i like to find the reason



The show started on a promising note...and I like others, had high expectations from it. But as the show progressed, it seemed to lose its focus. The process was gradual initially, but then everything was a blur and we started getting random scenes, fitted at wrong places. I am not an analyst or an expert who knows the workings of making a show, far from it, but I know what I like or dislike. When I see a show, I want to KNOW the characters, I want to connect to them, I want to love the characters, I want to hate the characters, I want a steady flow of a story, where I can predict or guess on daily basis. I want to discuss its ifs and buts, pros and cons. I want to know why a character behaves as he/she behaves. So far as I see on this show, things pop up suddenly without any basis/foundation,they are so abrupt, that one wonders, now where does it come from? Or some cast members are suddenly out of the scene, without giving us even a hint.
So many expectations...I hope, that the CVs and makers have already recognized it, and are working towards it to meet all the expectations...for us and themselves.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -PD-

sorry to ask, may be you feel it is a stupid question (as i watch RR on and off) may be i missed the point in any of the episode...question is "why kaki want to kill paro? what are her reasons"

hey PD
i have watched every episode of RR
i really dont know why kaki sa wants to kill paro
i really want to know too

cos the haveli's papers are in dilsher's name , so i am guessing if dilsher dies as it is an ancestral property her husband might get a share
but paro she is no where in the picture

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