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Posted: 11 years ago
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@diya
what i am more annoyed at right now is the reverse proposal , but i will wait untill the plot completely unfolds

on a serious note , fiction fiction is fine , this much of drama around a marriage
most of the tele soaps , dont know how to avenge a girl , marry her , then she is your slave for ever
seriously ! this was nicer get her married to someone who is a clear good for nothing
how do you get some one who is technically a nobody to you get married forcefully that too so rightfully , i would have never known had it been not for these tele saops
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: FairyLiquidSoap



I have an inkling although I may be wrong for this be a testosterone driven PH / writers and I don't think they have factored her 3 betrayals by the 3 men she felt for but if they do I think it would not just be Rudra and his trust issues with beautiful women but Paro with her own demons of faith and dependence issues with the people she considered worthy of her devotion which would truly make them equals in their emotional battles of loyalty love and expectation and a powerful weapon to be exploited by those intent on destroying them

ttt1 I too would want a track that is to establish either her innocence or culpability by Rudra His ambivalent actions towards her is all the more confusing I had wanted a track where she did prove her innocence cured his dad and left the haveli to live with Mamisa giving him time to reflect back on his own actions but then this be soap and they all have to stay under one roof for economical reasons
He either trusts her or not and it does not help with this bipolar attitude he seems to have with her He cannot ask her to leave but he is happy to sell her off Too extreme



Paro's dependence issues seems a logical next after what she has gone through but I doubt we will get there ever, you've summed it up why👏 I was hoping like you too that she leaves after proving her innocence but that ain't happening by the looks of it. So many awesome ways to incorporate jealousy and all that jazz into that track as well...yes I was thinking abt RR.when I shud hv been doing somehting else...go figurenevermind that.😆

It does seem strange that he keeps coming back to marriage over and over again... surely there has to be an easier way out? Just talk to your senior officer? Obviously, the Major has not been thinking straight for the longest time. I'm starting to suspect the first roll in the sand may hv triggered this lapse...I keep coming back to my confusion with the major, I mean, that house is infested with snakes...with the biggest one out to screw everyone's Mausam daily, surely not so hard to find ppl with better motives to kill off lionheart than this chit of a girl that has a blue butterfly for a friend. You can't but doubt the major's intelligence...

And then on the other side there is Paro. But you know what's strange, they've focused on Rudra so much that half the time, the audience does not even realise that it's Paro who has been through a lot more than Rudra has, and yet unfortunately at times the focus on her has felt so inadequate...her suffering, joy...even happiness at finally meeting MamiSa was so short lived. Almost like an inconsequential blip...a filler almost and they were off focusing on more important things... So her growth feels jerky.

Add to that the pace of the show... If Paro discovers that she's in love with him in two episodes then that's a bummer...Sigh. I promised myself I won't give this more thought than its asking for...so I will stop here.

That said, let's give them time and wait for this track to play out. May be there is more to unravel.

But since The only way for me to enjoy the show is if I keep all these qs asidde and since what we want is not happening ever like ever ever..., I'll be happy as long as Paro serves back that humiliation in a silver platter, or as in this case, an old doll. Imagine his bruised pride if his buddies at work discover that the doll belongs to the major. đŸ€Ș


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ttt1

@diya

what i am more annoyed at right now is the reverse proposal , but i will wait untill the plot completely unfolds

on a serious note , fiction fiction is fine , this much of drama around a marriage
most of the tele soaps , dont know how to avenge a girl , marry her , then she is your slave for ever
seriously ! this was nicer get her married to someone who is a clear good for nothing


I'm also waiting for the entire plot to unfold ... really at a loss to figure this latest twist. I think the makers need to move ahead from Paro's marriage ... three months and this is the third marriage/ proposal ... where are they going with this? 😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: DiyaS


I'm also waiting for the entire plot to unfold ... really at a loss to figure this latest twist. I think the makers need to move ahead from Paro's marriage ... three months and this is the third marriage/ proposal ... where are they going with this? 😕

to another marriage diya
from one marriage to another

and paro obviously has no say

i agree that a lot of such BS happen in india but that is a minority
i refuse to believe this is how most of the indians living in villages think , villages are not so regressive , nor are the women

same thing is repeated 100 times in all the shows
paro i actually liked her characterization , bold enough to embrace the reality
strong enough to face her mistakes
even better thankful enough to try to set things right for someone she thought cared

she accepting this proposal or she proposing to marry rudra , i dont think she needs to do it , cos she is guilty of not trusting rudra , not for what happened to dilsher and she knows that, she is there cos she wants to return the favor
now that she has accepted the proposal , i hope she has aplan in mind too ...
did i say i am an eternal optimist



Edited by tttttt1 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: DiyaS


I'm also waiting for the entire plot to unfold ... really at a loss to figure this latest twist. I think the makers need to move ahead from Paro's marriage ... three months and this is the third marriage/ proposal ... where are they going with this? 😕



Did you guys see that he said twice "Byah Kar Le" and waited for Paro to say yes (probably) or no. THe way she said yes kuch bhi karoongi and yes I want your maafi without even allowing him to complete his statements before. Don't beat me up - but just looking from Rudra's angle poor guy so badly wanted her to say yes to marriage to him. And our Paro just stood there - transfixed. Wonder whether he was hoping that he need not add Sumer's name.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: JJKKL



Did you guys see that he said twice "Byah Kar Le" and waited for Paro to say yes (probably) or no. THe way she said yes kuch bhi karoongi and yes I want your maafi without even allowing him to complete his statements before. Don't beat me up - but just looking from Rudra's angle poor guy so badly wanted her to say yes to marriage to him. And our Paro just stood there - transfixed. Wonder whether he was hoping that he need not add Sumer's name.

cvs are a confused lot buddy

the dialogues did seem like she subconsciously confessed that rudra is very important to her
the impulsive response was good
but my issue is why is it unimportant to the cvs to include what does rudra think
if he actually believes she is the culprit , then he should not let her near his dad , isnt it creepy someone who his sis saw burn his dad alive is back in the house with a googhat

so i kind of dont get the love and loyalty checking track ,i am okay with intention checking because i never had a great opinion about rudra as yet
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ttt1

cvs are a confused lot buddy

the dialogues did seem like she subconsciously confessed that rudra is very important to her
the impulsive response was good
but my issue is why is it unimportant to the cvs to include what does rudra think
if he actually believes she is the culprit , then he should not let her near his dad , isnt it creepy someone who his sis saw burn his dad alive is back in the house with a googhat

so i kind of dont get the love and loyalty checking track ,i am okay with intention checking because i never had a great opinion about rudra as yet


That's why I would prefer if this was about Rudra also checking who set the fire, rather than just about Paro and testing her loyalty. Fine if he believes that she had nothing to do with the fire, and he does suspect Mohini and Sumer ... so all this is a grand plan to expose Mohini, and he has no problem with Paro being around the haveli, because he thinks she is innocent.

Otherwise if he still thinks it is Paro who set the fire, and he's telling her to marry his cousin ... makes no sense. As his cousin's wife, she can come to the haveli any time she likes ... so his father is in danger if Paro agrees for the marriage. And if she agrees, how will he stop the marriage?

Rudra has been shown to be obsessed with Paro .. he doesn't think about anything else when she is around ... but not even about the safety of his own Bapusa? I don't think he puts Paro above his Bapusa yet ... why would he test her loyalty to HIM, before he was sure she didn't set the fire. And why does he want to test her loyalty anyway? She is asking for forgiveness for trusting Tejawat, not swearing loyalty to Rudra.
Isn't it more important to test whether she set the fire or not? In other words, whether she is actually a Tejawat mole, as he claims, or not. Unless he is putting the two together ... she set the fire, she is ready to marry Sumer ... erg, she is still faithful to Tejawat. That doesn't make sense.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: DiyaS

'Call it the romantic in me and for those who know me as the Grinch know how low my RQ is but Rudra has to repent later over this chauvinistic deed ala Khap Panchayat members who ruthlessly treat women as commodities and this act sadly taints/compromises his own image Conduct most unbecoming of an army officer and an otherwise modern-day man This blip in his radar has to have serious repercussions

I have an inkling although I may be wrong for this be a testosterone driven PH / writers and I don't think they have factored her 3 betrayals by the 3 men she felt for but if they do I think it would not just be Rudra and his trust issues with beautiful women but Paro with her own demons of faith and dependence issues with the people she considered worthy of her devotion which would truly make them equals in their emotional battles of loyalty love and expectation and a powerful weapon to be exploited by those intent on destroying them
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Beautiful post, echoing my own feelings. Have been very uncomfortable after yesterday's episode, wondering if I am unable to see the vision of the makers ... because I found nothing wonderful or intelligent in Rudra's so-called 'test'. Treating a woman as a commodity, to be sold for a few lakh rupees ... how does that make him any better than Tejawat or Varun? Tejawat used Paro as a conduit for her weapon smuggling, Varun was part of the smuggling and was prepared to sell Paro after the wedding ... and now Rudra is prepared to buy Sumer as a husband for Paro, just to prove ... what exactly?

He wants her to leave the haveli ... yes. He is uncomfortable having her around ... yes. He wants to 'test'
her commitment to him vs her desire to prove herself innocent ... accepted. Does that give him the right to use Paro as a pawn? Moreover, can't he think of any other weapon than a forced marriage every time? First he was forcing her to marry him if she didn't sign the documents ... now he's forcing her to marry Sumer to prove her innocence ... seriously, what century are the writers living in? So she has to agree to marry a lecherous rogue just to prove that she is truly sorry for believing in a man who was a father figure to her for fifteen years? The fact that she came back, gave witness against that man, is not enough proof for him?

<font size="2">Rudra's betrayal by one woman seems to give him carte blanche to distrust women, beautiful or otherwise for all eternity ...</font>
<font size="2">Paro has been betrayed three times by three men, in whom she put her trust ... as you so beautifully pointed out. Does that not give her the right to distrust all men for all eternity too?</font>
<font size="2">And coming to current scenario ... she had elevated Rudra to the status of Bholenath himself ... or to the status of her protector sent by Bholenath ... how will she ever trust him after this? If this is Paro's test ... will Rudra ever have to go through a test of his own, to prove himself worthy of her love and her trust? Can a woman ever trust a man who tries to sell her off? Or who uses her trust and her faith in him and turns it upside down?</font>






WELL SAID DIYA.RUDRA ANTICS R SERIOUSLY SICK.I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST CVS,TWISTS are always gud.but to treat a gal like a dirty rag doll to be kicked around..i cant see why dats necessary..never thought rudra will b this grey.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: DiyaS


That's why I would prefer if this was about Rudra also checking who set the fire, rather than just about Paro and testing her loyalty. Fine if he believes that she had nothing to do with the fire, and he does suspect Mohini and Sumer ... so all this is a grand plan to expose Mohini, and he has no problem with Paro being around the haveli, because he thinks she is innocent.

Otherwise if he still thinks it is Paro who set the fire, and he's telling her to marry his cousin ... makes no sense. As his cousin's wife, she can come to the haveli any time she likes ... so his father is in danger if Paro agrees for the marriage. And if she agrees, how will he stop the marriage?

Rudra has been shown to be obsessed with Paro .. he doesn't think about anything else when she is around ... but not even about the safety of his own Bapusa? I don't think he puts Paro above his Bapusa yet ... why would he test her loyalty to HIM, before he was sure she didn't set the fire. And why does he want to test her loyalty anyway? She is asking for forgiveness for trusting Tejawat, not swearing loyalty to Rudra.
Isn't it more important to test whether she set the fire or not? In other words, whether she is actually a Tejawat mole, as he claims, or not. Unless he is putting the two together ... she set the fire, she is ready to marry Sumer ... erg, she is still faithful to Tejawat. That doesn't make sense.

true i agree whether she agrees to marry sumer or not doesnt really prove anything , forum predictions are based on this and not wrong on the loyalty testing front , though it makes zero sense to me
for all we know this is just a way of getting paro to confess or accept her feelings
now that one has to fall in love to stay bonded

i would have rather preferred paro falling in love before without this bargain nonsense and accepting it to rudra naturally she is a blod woman, what is the need for a trigger like this one

Edited by tttttt1 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ttt1

true i agree whether she agrees to marry sumer or not doesnt really prove anything , forum predictions are based on this and not wrong on the loyalty testing front , though it makes zero sense to me
for all we know this is just a way of getting paro to confess or accept her feelings
now that one has to fall in love to stay bonded

i would have rather preferred paro falling in love before without this bargain nonsense and accepting it to rudra naturally she is a blod woman, what is the need for a trigger like this one



Maybe if we find what triggered his questioning then we can find why he is doing this. Initially I thought the fact that she called his bluff of throwing her out of the haveli and this triggered his plan. But when I saw the episode again - I felt it was her mention of why the lep is good for Bapusa which made him to come back, sit next to her and start asking all types of questions. Any thoughts of why the lep triggered ? Do you agree that lep triggered it ?

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