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Posted: 12 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: BigIPKKNDFan

How do you know the contents of the American and Indian broadcast was different ?

Does the US monitor ethnic shows ?

What about violent American movies like Kill Bill I and II ? And many many others

I doubt it

I first watched the episode online (the Indian broadcast) and then later watched as it aired in the evening here...and noticed the edited out scenes.
I don't know for certain if the US monitors ethnic shows/channels but all channels broadcasting their programs here probably have to adhere to their rules.
And of course there are hugely violent American movies...but they are given MPAA ratings, and don't usually air on TV in prime time.
Will come back and respond to other posts a little later...a bit pressed for time now.😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .bohemian.



Not just Rudra's character, but the complete picture. The first scene with the trigger happy BSD men gunning down (without provocation), a bus load of innocent villagers also adds up. Not to mention Surabh Tiwari's interview where he insinuated that being an army man also contributed to Rudra being a heartless.

I wouldn't term him as a rogue officer, more of a renegade perhaps.

Apologies, yes renegade.
I agree the whole shooting of unarmed civilians travelling in a bus by a security force does seem strange but may be part of the upcoming story. Was it really the BSD who carried out the killings and on who's information? My bet is that it's the Thakur who ordered that shooting as way to fuel the hatred against the BSD. One villager says Thakursa warned them against taking the bus at night...after that incident not too many villagers would have defied him again, but time will tell if that's the case.
My understanding about Rudra is that his childhood made him stone hearted and in Rudra's case the disciplined army training made him more rigid especially when it comes to his job. I don't think (but obviously don't know) that ST meant that army men are heartless but if he meant that his training and subsequent work added to his already stone hearted persona then that does seem like a possibility.
I actually don't think Rudra is heartless or the deaths of his colleagues wouldn't have affected him the way they did.
Edited by jaya100 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Vistaa

You have a point there Diya, in that there are plenty graphic Amreekan TV shows, but they all come with viewer ratings, and air late night or on premium cable networks like HBO or Showtime. Fox does have some pretty violent parts to some of its shows, but most start with a viewer warning and usually rated TV-R or TV-MA.

Well, Colors is a specialty channel so most rules, esp. time restrictions, don't apply IIRC. Just slap a TV-MA V sticker on there and it should be good to air. My guess is they edited out some sequences to be on the safe side and/or back-pedaled.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Lol if you're South Indian and watch South Indian movies, this violence is nothing 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: jaya100

Apologies, yes renegade.

I agree the whole shooting of unarmed civilians travelling in a bus by a security force does seem strange but may be part of the upcoming story. Was it really the BSD who carried out the killings and on who's information? My bet is that it's the Thakur who ordered that shooting as way to fuel the hatred against the BSD. One villager says Thakursa warned them against taking the bus at night...after that incident not too many villagers would have defied him again, but time will tell if that's the case.
My understanding about Rudra is that his childhood made him stone hearted and in Rudra's case the disciplined army training made him more rigid especially when it comes to his job. I don't think (but obviously don't know) that ST meant that army men are heartless but if he meant that his training and subsequent work added to his already stone hearted persona then that does seem like a possibility.
I actually don't think Rudra is heartless or the deaths of his colleagues wouldn't have affected him the way they did.



Hey, No apologies please. 😊

Hope you are correct about the opening scene. Does not make sense otherwise.

About ST interview, for starters, he did term the army men with a low EQ. On a show, it is up to us how we interpret a character trait. But if the producer himself etches it out for us, it is a different matter altogether. Does he really need to defend the violence? Even the documentary-drama LOC did not go into the gory details of the Surabh Kalia incident. When they had every chance to.

@bold: Ditto

Edited by .bohemian. - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: jaya100

It was toned down in the UK too but I think its more to do with the countries broadcasting rules.A lot depends on the timing of the show and at 9.30pm RR comes after the 9pm watershed here so the full scene could technically have been shown. Personally I've seen worse in BW or for that matter any 'hood movies which are advertised as 'family movies'. True, films have a rating but surely at 9.30 pm children who are too young for this content should be in bed anyway. I've seen more violence in these video games kids play, sure they're animated but the implication is still there.

When a show is based on the indo-pak border and involves terrorism and arms smuggling then yes the depiction of violence is a norm for the show because it's the norm in that environment and the reality of the people living in those areas. I agree with Dia the violence was too out there to be taken seriously and was more for effect to establish Rudra's heartless rogue officer persona. I understand in reality an officer doing this would have received more than a rap on the wrist but there have to be some dramatic allowances. Personally I think if any human being could actually do this in reality, including kicking a man up in the air and then pushing a jeep to push a man into a wall while having bullets shot his way would be a contender for the Iron Man contest.😆
The bus shootings also raised a lot of questions about the BSD shooting innocent civilians and for that I think we need to wait for answers. I wouldn't put it past our Thakur ji to have a role in that one. The tag line for the show is rann ki ret par rakhth se rachhi ek prem dastan so rakht on the ret is a given.

Hello Jaya,
You have raised some very valid points: in a show with an armed force for a backdrop, there are bound to be guns and action. The question really is how it is depicted...in a brutal, sensationalized, in -your- face fashion or in a more restrained manner, that could be just as impactful.
Ultimately it all boils down to the sensitivities of the audience...going by most posts on this thread, it appears to be a non-issue, but clearly it did matter enough for Colors to have edited the scenes for the international audience.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Vistaa

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Ultimately it all boils down to the sensitivities of the audience...going by most posts on this thread, it appears to be a non-issue, but clearly it did matter enough for Colors to have edited the scenes for the international audience.


vistaa...u express urself so well...im impressed...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: jaya100

This show may well raise the point of what is appropriate and what isn't and when it can be shown. If a BW movie say for example Dabang which had a similar style of action/violence as today's episode can be shown on tv at 9 pm then how can a show which shows something along the same lines and probably for a shorter length of time be inappropriate.

As for eyelocks, didn't the same PH's show on another channel show a liplock...it was filmed then not shown and then shown on fans demands (I think). It seems the boundaries need to be reevaluated and the governing bodies also need to take into account that audiences and viewing habits have changed.

Savs, Jaya:
There is a lot of difference in the acceptable/unacceptable boundaries between Des and US/UK...you are right...here, things are much more lax as far as depiction of sex/physical intimacy on TV is concerned (though even that is regulated/monitored through ratings and air-time), but violence is more restrained...not just on TV but even in other forms of media. So many times you come across warnings before pics/newsbit of some shooting/bombing/natural calamity..."disturbing images...viewer discretion advised" While it is not considered out of bounds to publish such pics on frontpage of newspapers...without any warning at all.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .bohemian.



Hey, No apologies please. 😊

Hope you are correct about the opening scene. Does not make sense otherwise.

About ST interview, for starters, he did term the army men with a low EQ. On a show, it is up to us how we interpret a character trait. But if the producer himself etches it out for us, it is a different matter altogether. Does he really need to defend the violence? Even the documentary-drama LOC did not go into the gory details of the Surabh Kalia incident. When they had every chance to.

@bold: Ditto

@Bold & Underlined : I think that will ultimately turn out to be the case. Thakur Tejawat is probably modelled on Iago of Othello and it will be him who engineers all the manipulations and falsehoods.
As for Rudra, from what I have been able to make of him..he is devoted-to his country and to his BSD...everybody else just does not register on his radar, except as an enemy...to be fought and vanquished, without any mercy.
@Underlined: Exactly. I think they have gone to great lengths to put Rudra's character sketch out there...sort of prepare the audience for the excesses.
Edited by Vistaa - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I agree, Vistaa. Its their way of preparing us for the excesses. Again, like your said, it depends on the sensitivities. I have never seen a "disturbing images...viewer discretion advised" message for Indian news channels. Quite the opposite... they love to sensationalize. Some channels do blur out the images, but not all.

In today's episode, the molestation scene was dragged a bit too much. I don't know about the others, but was indeed disturbing for me. And the male lead 'twirling his moustache' awaiting the vehicle to reach him ... was it really required? Not being a Negative Nancy, but scenes as such leave a bad taste.

Edited by .bohemian. - 12 years ago

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