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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Vibhishna

Wonderful update akhl. Thank for all the lyrics.

Performance in general was good - especially Ram, Bharat and Shathrugan's expressions were excellent.

One thing I don't understand is the need for suspense. Now Maharaj Ram has to wait for the next day to hear the rest. Does any version of Ramayan mention this?


I'll join you, Vibhishna! Thank you akhl for amazing update!
I really, really liked Gurmeet's acting in "divya purusha" moment. Actually, I'm wondering why nobody is discussing Gurmi's acting? He is better and better from one episode to another! Camera loves his face ( I'm wondering why?), his expessions are uncomparable, he is EXCELLENT actor, for crying out loud!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: _LalithaJanaki_

I have a question. Did it mention in the song that some days and nights passed while Luv Kush were singing? I remember that in the previous serial, the narrator's voice proclaimed that a few days and nights passed as Luv Kush stole their audience's hearts. Maybe if the narrator said the same thing here, it'd make sense why they did not show a few days passing.


Yeah, that should have been more clear. Instead, it looks like on day 1, they finished the first 6 kandas and then some, and the end of the day, they stopped at a cliffhanger.

Incidentally, for this story, would the revelation that Sita got shelter w/ Valmiki clue everybody instantly on who these 2 were?

Originally posted by: _LalithaJanaki_

Either way, I just hope that the story of Sita's suffering is tuned differently and the words vary a lot from the previous song's words. There are lots of ways to sing about Sita Mata's suffering and her story in different words and tunes. The Sagars could invoke the same feeling they did in the previous version by making the song differently, because we all want something different that makes us weep. Not something that reminds us constantly that this is a copycat from the previous Ramayan.


One thing I hated about the previous serial was their telling Rama at the end that they were his kids. Note that in the original, they tell him that they are Sita's kids. Now, factually, these 2 assertions may seem identical, but in the context in which it was revealed, it made a huge difference. In the previous serial, when they told Rama that they were his kids, then automatically, Rama asked them to prove it (in a rather churlish manner) because it was also incumbent on him/them to then demonstrate that they were legitimate heirs to the throne, which would be the effect of their being his sons. But had they said that they were Sita's sons, no such pressure would have been on (as was actually the case), since Sita was not queen, and therefore her sons wouldn't be automatically in line for succession unless Rama decided that he wanted them and Sita, which he did.

Whatever other shortcomings they have shown, I dearly hope that they do not show them claiming that they are Rama's sons, but instead that they are Sita's sons, and that there are no ugly follow-up questions as a result.

Originally posted by: _LalithaJanaki_

genuinely sad, but Ankit's expressions seemed to be lacking today. Maybe he was tired during the shooting since he usually does better, but he seeemd disturbed by the song, not sad.

In the context, where he was made to look like the bad guy for abandoning Sita in the forest, it's understandable that he'd be more disturbed (w/ his own previous actions and wondering whether he did the right thing, Sita's directives notwithstanding) than sad (at Sita's plight)

Originally posted by: _LalithaJanaki_

Vikram Sharma's expressions, like Gurmeet's, were once again outstanding, and Sugreev and Vibhishna acted well too. The Ayodhya praja didn't look guilty when Luv Kush sang about them. They looked as if they could care less.🤔 Maybe it was the actors' faults of maybe they were told to look like that as a foreshadowing of Sita's oath, but that's how it seemed to me.


I think it could be that.

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Originally posted by: _LalithaJanaki_


You know, since you want a 100% authentic Valmiki Ramayan, why don't you direct one for us?😊 I'm sure you're more than capable of writing a good script and with some help from others, it could actually be an interesting project.

In your Ramayan, Dhanyamalini can be given the role of Sita and maybe you yourself could do Ram.😉


Naah, that doesn't even come close to the joys one gets of being an armchair critic. How can you even think of depriving me of that pleasure? 😆😆😆 It's like separating Avadhis from Rama 😆😆😆

Besides, if I were Rama and Charul were Sita, we'd be separated - first during the Aranya and Yudhya kands, and then throughout the Uttarkand, and then I'd have to watch her go to Rasatal. You need to think of better traps to lure me into 😉😉😉 Shatrughan & Shrutakirti, maybe, so that even during the vanvas, they are not separated like, say, Lakshman and Urmila, and throw in a bit of Shatru's reign in Mathura? 😆😆😆

Actually, I think 2 projects would be in order. One would be an absolutely pristine Valmiki, where the only additions would be stuff that does not contradict the main story in any way. Another would be what Kal El suggested - have all the sources, except Valmiki, and make a real khichri of the Ramayans. Call it 'Rama katha ki khichri', w/ different parts of different stories being taken from Adhyatma, Ananda, Tulsidas, Kamban, Krittivas, et al, and just make sure that there are no contradictions in the final script. And then go to it with all its glory - Sita being born to Mandodari and then abandoned, Ravan asking for a boon that Dasharath be impotent, Bharat getting wounded in battle, Shurpanakha's son getting killed, Meghnad's severed hand writing a farewell letter, Ravan trying to rig the grahas, Karkati fleeing w/ Kumbhakarna's followers and survivors, Kaagbhushandi, Sita's hand model being taken to Rama, Hanuman's sindoor bath, Hanuman giving Sita grief over her inviting over for lunch, Rama's fight w/ Hanuman, Padma puran stories of the horse battles, K-L getting kidnapped at behest of Sita and taken to Rasatal, the sahasramukh Ravans and all the other stories that are out there.


Everybody should be happy! 😊😊😊
Edited by Chandraketu - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Vibhishna

One thing I don't understand is the need for suspense. Now Maharaj Ram has to wait for the next day to hear the rest. Does any version of Ramayan mention this?


Vibs

I don't know about the other versions, but in Valmiki, according to 7:93, they were to sing 20 sargs daily. So if one does the math, one can then calculate the number of days it took them to get to that point.

The suspense here isn't much different from that of Shatrughan when it's shown that Sita's presence is hidden from him.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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huge hugs to you avinash, coz u quoted d song word by wordthanks a lot

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Posted: 16 years ago
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thanks for the update akhl
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Thanks a lot akhl for your wonderful update. Really nice episode and Gurmeet's expression is excellent⭐️
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: _LalithaJanaki_

I have a question. Did it mention in the song that some days and nights passed while Luv Kush were singing?


No, no such thing was mentioned in the songs.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chandraketu


Vibs

I don't know about the other versions, but in Valmiki, according to 7:93, they were to sing 20 sargs daily. So if one does the math, one can then calculate the number of days it took them to get to that point.

The suspense here isn't much different from that of Shatrughan when it's shown that Sita's presence is hidden from him.



I haven't seen those episodes yet. I couldn't catch up with all that I missed till now. But I do remember seeing one scene in which Kush and Luv search for their mother in some ceremony and when they look up and smile that Sita had come to bless them. When Shathrugan looks up he sees the woman who took care of Sita and the kids. (Sorry, I forgot her name - was it Malini?)

I don't remember whether it is mentioned clearly Shathrugan comes to know about Ram's sons and meets Sita in Maharishi Valmiki's ashram. We have already discussed and it seems quite possible that Shathrugan could have met Sita in the ashram but I'm still not sure.

In Raghuvamsa, Maharishi Valmiki tells Shathrugan not to mention meeting Sita and the birth of Ram's twin sons to Ram. Shathrugan agrees and as promised tells Ram everything except this incident.

In another version (don't remember which one) Shathrugan tells Ram about what happened in Maharishi Valmiki's ashram but Ram tells him not to reveal it to anyone. Shathrugan agrees. This was in one of the versions in which Ram knew about his divinity from the beginning.
Edited by Vibhishna - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Same108


I'll join you, Vibhishna! Thank you akhl for amazing update!
I really, really liked Gurmeet's acting in "divya purusha" moment. Actually, I'm wondering why nobody is discussing Gurmi's acting? He is better and better from one episode to another! Camera loves his face ( I'm wondering why?), his expessions are uncomparable, he is EXCELLENT actor, for crying out loud!



I agree with you. Each episode shows his talent so beautifully. I like the performance of all the actors.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chandraketu


Yeah, that should have been more clear. Instead, it looks like on day 1, they finished the first 6 kandas and then some, and the end of the day, they stopped at a cliffhanger.

Incidentally, for this story, would the revelation that Sita got shelter w/ Valmiki clue everybody instantly on who these 2 were?


One thing I hated about the previous serial was their telling Rama at the end that they were his kids. Note that in the original, they tell him that they are Sita's kids. Now, factually, these 2 assertions may seem identical, but in the context in which it was revealed, it made a huge difference. In the previous serial, when they told Rama that they were his kids, then automatically, Rama asked them to prove it (in a rather churlish manner) because it was also incumbent on him/them to then demonstrate that they were legitimate heirs to the throne, which would be the effect of their being his sons. But had they said that they were Sita's sons, no such pressure would have been on (as was actually the case), since Sita was not queen, and therefore her sons wouldn't be automatically in line for succession unless Rama decided that he wanted them and Sita, which he did.

Whatever other shortcomings they have shown, I dearly hope that they do not show them claiming that they are Rama's sons, but instead that they are Sita's sons, and that there are no ugly follow-up questions as a result.
In the context, where he was made to look like the bad guy for abandoning Sita in the forest, it's understandable that he'd be more disturbed (w/ his own previous actions and wondering whether he did the right thing, Sita's directives notwithstanding) than sad (at Sita's plight)

I think it could be that.

From your next post

Naah, that doesn't even come close to the joys one gets of being an armchair critic. How can you even think of depriving me of that pleasure? 😆😆😆 It's like separating Avadhis from Rama 😆😆😆

Besides, if I were Rama and Charul were Sita, we'd be separated - first during the Aranya and Yudhya kands, and then throughout the Uttarkand, and then I'd have to watch her go to Rasatal. You need to think of better traps to lure me into 😉😉😉 Shatrughan & Shrutakirti, maybe, so that even during the vanvas, they are not separated like, say, Lakshman and Urmila, and throw in a bit of Shatru's reign in Mathura? 😆😆😆

Actually, I think 2 projects would be in order. One would be an absolutely pristine Valmiki, where the only additions would be stuff that does not contradict the main story in any way. Another would be what Kal El suggested - have all the sources, except Valmiki, and make a real khichri of the Ramayans. Call it 'Rama katha ki khichri', w/ different parts of different stories being taken from Adhyatma, Ananda, Tulsidas, Kamban, Krittivas, et al, and just make sure that there are no contradictions in the final script. And then go to it with all its glory - Sita being born to Mandodari and then abandoned, Ravan asking for a boon that Dasharath be impotent, Bharat getting wounded in battle, Shurpanakha's son getting killed, Meghnad's severed hand writing a farewell letter, Ravan trying to rig the grahas, Karkati fleeing w/ Kumbhakarna's followers and survivors, Kaagbhushandi, Sita's hand model being taken to Rama, Hanuman's sindoor bath, Hanuman giving Sita grief over her inviting over for lunch, Rama's fight w/ Hanuman, Padma puran stories of the horse battles, K-L getting kidnapped at behest of Sita and taken to Rasatal, the sahasramukh Ravans and all the other stories that are out there.


Everybody should be happy! 😊😊😊



Great discussions 😊

I have some more doubts - I would post them in Doubts and Discussions sometime later. 😊

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