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Posted: 15 years ago
Some doubts from my side. I actually wanted to ask in the Mahveer Hanuman Forum but its locked.

Is there any particular source that talks about the life of those who are a part of Ramayan - like Hanuman, Jambavan, Vali, Sugreev, Ravan etc.

I know that the information about them is given in the Valmiki Ramayan itself, though I doubt if Valmiki himself has written them - it comes in Uttar Kand if I am right.

I know there is a book called Ravana Kaviyam in Tamil - this book speaks of Ravan's life.

Are there any other books or any other sources that speak of the lives of the others in Ramayana?

And by the way, who is the author of Ananda Ramayana written in Sanskrit? I think even the Malayalam version of Ramayana is titled Ananda Ramayana.
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Posted: 15 years ago
Vrisha & Vibs, sorry for not replying. I was very busy with family and friends. I will check everything and see if I can find answers in Ananda Ramayan by tomorrow. I hope I can find some answers there.
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Vrisha

Today, on the Sunday rerun, I saw the episode after a long while. One thing I saw, which I hadn't seen before, was Mareech appearing before Khar/Dushan and telling them why he took sanyas.

One question I had - do any of the other Ramayans - Ananda Ramayan, Adhbhooth Ramayan, et al have the description of why Mareech took Sanyas after being thrown 60,000 yognas? I saw what the episode had, but wonder where it was sourced from. Yeah yeah, I know, after this year swarna-kamal & gretelasuri episodes, we shouldn't be surprised at anything they showed, but still, it would be interesting to know what brought about Mareech's change of heart. And if he had taken sanyas and was dedicated to leading a virtuous life, why did he have to be killed in the end, rather than gain salvation like Rishi Sharbhang, etc?



Vrisha, Vibs has written the correct explanation from Valmiki Ramayan. Maricha tries to hurt Rama again in deer form in the Dandaka forest. He is spared again by Rama's arrow though 2 other ogres accompanying Maricha are killed. It is implied in Maricha's words to Ravan (while counseling him not to abduct Sita) that if he (Maricha) goes to attack or harm Rama in any way, for the third time, he will be killed.

This is found in (Gita press) Valmiki Ramayan. Maricha says that after the 2 encounters, he sees Rama everywhere. He sees Rama in the trees, leaves...basically wherever he turns he sees Rama. He tells Ravan that this is the reason he is living a quiet life as a ascetic.

Here is more from Gita press Valmiki Ramayan text and I quote:

" Having somehow got back my life, being spared by the shaft of Rama (in the Dandaka forest episode Vrisha), I have been forced to turn a recluse here and, being calm and collected, have taken to the practice of yoga, adopting an ascetic life."

He goes to say to Ravan that and I quote from Gita Press Valmiki Ramayan again, " In every tree I actually perceive Sri Rama clad in the bark of trees and the black antelope-skin, wielding a bow and resembling death with a noose in his hand."

Again I quote, "Being terrified, O Ravana, I even behold thousands of Rama. Nay to me the whole of this forest appears as having turned into Rama."

" Indeed I perceive Rama in a solitary place, O lord of ogres! Beholding Rama in a dream I get bewildered like one returned to a waking life. Names beginning with the letter 'R' such as the word 'Ratnas' and 'Rathas' as well cause terror to me, afraid as I am of Rama, O Ravana!"

From his own words to Ravana it seems like Maricha's mortal fear of Rama has forced him to take an ascetic life. Also, he constantly refers to the killing of Khara/Dushana and the 14 thousand ogres by Sri Rama.

I hope this helped.


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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

Some doubts from my side. I actually wanted to ask in the Mahveer Hanuman Forum but its locked.

Is there any particular source that talks about the life of those who are a part of Ramayan - like Hanuman, Jambavan, Vali, Sugreev, Ravan etc.

I know that the information about them is given in the Valmiki Ramayan itself, though I doubt if Valmiki himself has written them - it comes in Uttar Kand if I am right.

I know there is a book called Ravana Kaviyam in Tamil - this book speaks of Ravan's life.

Are there any other books or any other sources that speak of the lives of the others in Ramayana?

And by the way, who is the author of Ananda Ramayana written in Sanskrit? I think even the Malayalam version of Ramayana is titled Ananda Ramayana.



Vibs, this is what I got from one of late Padmabhusan Dr. Raghavan (who was the Head of Sanskrit Department in the 1970s) books.

1. Adbhuta Ramayan is attributed to Valmiki himself. It has some 1000 or more verses that he gave to his disciple Bharadvaja (this discipline was shown in Gurmi Ramayan's Uttarkhand) on the banks of the Tamasa river. In the verses it states that Valmiki was upset (after writing the original Ramayan) that he did not give much importance to the greatness of Sita. he wrote this supplemental work to sing Sita's praises.

2. Adhyatma Ramayan is attributed to many sources. Some say it is part of the Brahmanada purana. Some people attribute to a later work written by Ramananda (the 14th century poet and the guru of Kabir). Some others attribute this Ramayan to Valmiki himself.

3. Ananda Ramayan is attributed by the late Dr. Raghavan to some poet in the 17th and 18th centuries. He reasoning is as follows: in the Ananda Ramayana the author seems to have a very good knowledge of 17th-19th century Deccan and South India (the places, names, and so on). The author also has a very good knowledge of all (which are referenced in the Ananda Ramayan) Sanskrit texts relating to the 17th-19th century India. This version of the Ramayan was also translated into Malayalam, Kannada, and other regional languages. So, it looks like Ananda Ramayan was a mishmash Ramayan which borrowed from many sources and written between the 17th and 19th centuries.

I hope this helps Vibs.
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Posted: 15 years ago
Vibs

Thanks for the account below. To this day, I always find something new that I had no idea of previously. 😲😊 Like I had no idea that b/w Mareech being thrown 100 yoganas and his taking the form of a stag and being killed, he had yet another encounter w/ Rama during the latter's exile. So I looked @ valmikiramayan.net, and in 3:39, I found the section you are describing.

However, as for the reason why he wasn't killed in this encounter, it describes it in 3:39:13, they have that his 2 companions confronted those 2 of 3 arrows from Rama and were killed, but since Mareech was fleeing and Rama's arrows never took down a fleeing or retreating enemy and never hit an enemy on his back, he was spared. Now, that would bring up the question of how was he then killed when he was, since there too, he was fleeing Rama. But here, Rama was in pursuit of him and his arrow pierced him from the front.

At any rate, Mareech does answer my original question, which was what made him take up life as an ascetic? The serial depicts it as the advice of a rishi, while the text above depicts it as a consequence of the arrow that pursued him but didn't kill him.

Another interesting titbit I found on after Mareech was finally killed was in 3:44, verse 3:44:27 has this:

tatra raamam bhayam tiivram aavivesha viSaadajam |
raakSasam mR^iga ruupam tam hatvaa shrutvaa ca tat svanam || 3-44-26

26. mR^iga ruupam tam raakSasam hatvaa= in deer's, form, that, demon, on killing; tat svanam shrutvaa ca= his, yelling [of demon,] on hearing, also; tatra= in that matter; raamam= to Rama; viSaada jam tiivram bhayam = by gloom, caused, frantic, fear; aavivesha= ensorcelled.

On killing that demon in the form of Golden Deer, and also on hearing his yelling, Rama is ensorcelled with a frantic fear caused by his own gloom. [3-44-26]

nihatya pR^iSatam ca anyam maa.msam aadaaya raaghavaH |
tvaramaaNo janasthaanam sasaara abhimukhaH tadaa || 3-44-27

27. tadaa= then; raaghavaH= Raghava; anyam= another one; pR^iSatam nihatya ca= spotted deer, on killing, also; maamsam aadaaya= its flesh, on taking; tvaramaaNaH= hurrying himself; janasthaanam abhimukhaH sasaara= to Janasthaana, towards, he drifted, proceeded.

Raghava then on killing another spotted deer and on taking its flesh, he hurried himself towards Janasthaana. [3-44-27]

I was curious about this particular act - since Sita's primary interest was the skin of the deer in case it had to be killed, wouldn't its skin have been more of interest to him, rather than the meat (since she wanted to use it as a rug for Rama and others to sit on)? Also, if he was panic-stricken (I'm assuming that this is what 'ensorcelled' means), why did he bother to kill another deer, rather than just go back to Janasthaana himself, as normally reported?

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

I checked with the Kambaramayana and the the little I have on the Valmiki Ramayana.

Mareech and Subahu led the demon army to destroy Viswamitra's Yagna. Subahu and the rest were killed. Only Mareech's life was spared. He was thrown into the sea. He lay at the sea bed too weak to move and when he regained strength he went to Lanka led a quiet life for a while. I think Kambaramayan says Mareech wore the ochre robes here itself but I am not sure, I could have misinterpretted something.

Mareech encountered Ram for a second time in Dandakaranya during Ram's Vanvas. He and his two friends assumed the form of fearsome deer and terrorised the forest killing many sages and destroying holy people. Mareech with his strenght and pride restored saw Ram, Lakshman and Sita in the Dandakaranya and dashed forward to kill Ram with his terible horns. Ram killed Mareech's two friends with his arrows and spared him for a second time - Mareech fled realising Ram's might. Again it was only Mareech who was spared.

I remember reading this earlier - Mareech was warned that if he ever came in front of Ram again, he would be killed. I am not able to find it again.

Mareech was spared twice . . . Probably for that one purpose of luring Ram away when Ravan came for Sita.

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Posted: 15 years ago
Vibs

In the credits of Ananda Sagar's Ramayan, the Malayalam version of Ramayan is listed as the 'Adhyatma Ramayan' i.e. the version written by Rishi Vyasa in Sanskrit and then translated into Malayalam by somebody.

Incidentally, yesterday @ Music World, I saw that the entire DVD set is available in a package (forgetting the price right now). Do you recall how many episodes did this Ramayan have - from the first to the Mahaprayan? This box had 300 episodes listed - wondering whether it would have included Karkati, Gretelasuri, Swarna Kamal and all those other myriad adventures collected by the Sagars 😆
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

Some doubts from my side. I actually wanted to ask in the Mahveer Hanuman Forum but its locked.


Vibs

It's not locked. In fact, on your behalf, I just posted the section you had below the above quote, duly attributed to you, under a new thread titled 'Sources of Vanara history???'. People can respond there, assuming that they are reading that forum - activity there seems to be quiet.

Edited by Vrisha - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Vrisha

Vibs

In the credits of Ananda Sagar's Ramayan, the Malayalam version of Ramayan is listed as the 'Adhyatma Ramayan' i.e. the version written by Rishi Vyasa in Sanskrit and then translated into Malayalam by somebody.

Incidentally, yesterday @ Music World, I saw that the entire DVD set is available in a package (forgetting the price right now). Do you recall how many episodes did this Ramayan have - from the first to the Mahaprayan? This box had 300 episodes listed - wondering whether it would have included Karkati, Gretelasuri, Swarna Kamal and all those other myriad adventures collected by the Sagars 😆


Yes, Vrisha, 300 episodes is correct. Actually, my counter stopped on 298 episodes, but I believe, I could miss some, particularly in beginning.
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Posted: 15 years ago
Thank you, Khalrika and Vrisha. The info helped a lot. So glad to see some activity in this thread. 😊


I had no idea, the DVDs were released. Does anyone know the price of the entire set?
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

Thank you, Khalrika and Vrisha. The info helped a lot. So glad to see some activity in this thread. 😊


I had no idea, the DVDs were released. Does anyone know the price of the entire set?


Nice to see you again Vibs. The 20 piece DVD set costs 3,100 Rs. I saw that on a website.

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