Doubts and Discussions from the Ramayan II - Page 39

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

I'll comment only on Shatrughan's rajyabhishek, since that was the only authentic part of the Ramayan that they showed today. From part II onwards, they were back to showing fiction (this time, the fiction included Rama, so those who simply want their Gurmeet eye-candy, don't worry - he's very much there) In Valmiki's ashram, everybody was overjoyed at Shatrughan's victory, and Sita was overjoyed to hear that he was now king (this moment was sweet, suspending for the moment one's disbelief at Luv, who was actually a newborn at the time, giving her this news)

So today, they started w/ the celebrations in Ayodhya, w/ Kaushalya distributing gifts, Rama, Lakshman and Hanuman observing the celebrations, and Urmila and Shrutakirti decorating the floor. The last is what got me - WTF is Shrutakirti doing here 😡😡😡- isn't she supposed to be with her husband being coronated? Note that some days would have passed before Shatrughan was crowned - wouldn't that have been enough time for him to get his family w/ him? Or is it a new parampara of the Ananda (Sagar) Ramayan that in Ramarajya, wives of Kings don't become queens. I understand that with Sita, but Shrutakirti?😲😲😲

Anyway, fiction time is back, so once the Hanuman-Rama confrontation is over, we can re-visit the story in this forum, depending on what they choose to show. At any rate, what they showed today was not consistent with the story of Vishwamitra's umbrage at Raja Shakunta - they simply showed people worry at what Vishwamitra's reaction would be on hearing about Sita's exile. Oh, and other major boo boo - they kept referring to Vishwamitra as 'Rajarshi', when he was actually a Brahmarshi.

Oh, and as usual, Bharat, Mandavi & Kaikeyi are MIA. Won't complain - maybe the Sagars have given them their own vanvas. 😈I wonder, when Rama's jaalsamadhi time comes, will they simply show him going alone, or just with Shatrughan, or will they bring back Bharat? Who knows!

Sulk time🤢

Originally posted by: ananyacool

and what Shrutkirti was in Ayodhya 😲what was she doing there?? Now do they wanna show that she'll stay there only even till yajna?

I agree that all other bros have a 'vanvas' thrust on them *sigh*

Not other bros, just Bharat + Mandavi. They showed Urmila and Shrutakirti doing the alpana, they showed Lakshman and Hanuman standing next to Rama, they showed Kaushalya (today no Sumitra, but they showed her yesterday, and they showed her in the precap of tomorrow standing next to Lakshman being worried about Vishwamitra's umbrage at Rama). It's just Kaikeyi's kul that seems to have been sent packing.

Incidentally, in the Bajrangbali serial of the 70s, where they showed the Rama-Hanuman confrontation, Rama first sent Bharat to kill Raja Shakunta but as expected, Bharat was powerless against 'Raam-naam', so Rama went. I'm guessing here, it will be straight Rama vs Hanuman, or will he send Lakshman first? Can't imagine Lakshman sending arrows at 'Raam-naam'.

P.S. Khalrika, thanks for checking on that - I suspected it was a modern cinematic invention from the 70s designed to mirror Krishna Tulabharam. Another thing if you could check on at leisure - what are the versions that have Lakshman's 2nd son as 'Chitraketu' instead of 'Chandraketu', and what are the other names for Shatrughatee, Shatrughan's 2nd son? I've seen Yutaketu in RCM appendix 'Luv-Kush kand', 'Bhupaketu' in this forum from I forget who, 'Shrutasena' in the Ramanand Sagar serial, so I was just wonder what other alphabet soup names did they have?

I have another question. When did Shatrughan rename Madhupuri to Mathura? Wouldn't he have done it on starting, since the city bore the name of Lavanasura's father, and he may have wanted to change that? Or is there a different reason and time when the city got its name?

From what I know, it was Shatrughan who gave Mathura its name

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Congratulations, everyone - this discussion thread enters pg 50, on its second incarnation.

And all that without the wonderful details of Vikat, Bhayasura, Jatbhuvan, Rockshasha, swarna-kamal, Chakrasura's child labor camp, Gretelasura, Yaksha, swarna-shankha, and all those other - we kept it all on topic!!! Vibs, wish you were around to see this😒

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Originally posted by: Chandraketu

I have another question. When did Shatrughan rename Madhupuri to Mathura? Wouldn't he have done it on starting, since the city bore the name of Lavanasura's father, and he may have wanted to change that? Or is there a different reason and time when the city got its name?

From what I know, it was Shatrughan who gave Mathura its name

Yes, it's the same Mathura, but Ugrasena is not descended from Shatrughan. Shatrughan was a Suryavansh, whereas Ugrasena and the entire Yadava clan were Chandravansh. Yadu, remember, was a son of Yayati, who was a Chandravansh.

Shatrughan's dynasty ended a few generations after him, and it seems Madhu's family i.e. Lavanasura's descendents got it back. Note that my source for this is RC Majumdar's The Vedic Age, which is a part of his history series, and not any scriptural source like the Puranas.

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Yes, it's the same Mathura, but Ugrasena is not descended from Shatrughan. Shatrughan was a Suryavansh, whereas Ugrasena and the entire Yadava clan were Chandravansh. Yadu, remember, was a son of Yayati, who was a Chandravansh.

Shatrughan's dynasty ended a few generations after him, and it seems Madhu's family i.e. Lavanasura's descendents got it back. Note that my source for this is RC Majumdar's The Vedic Age, which is a part of his history series, and not any scriptural source like the Puranas.