Doubts and Discussions from the Ramayan - Page 51

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Hope so that we find some family moments 2morrow😊

bhaiya:

I am not able to open the daily discussion thread😕 it happened to me yest too so will try n answer here...

Even though Valmiki had written it before , maybe it was in a skeleton form ,he might have known the main incidents of ram's life and might have been collecting what happenend throu word of mouth( as the bards used to collect info about a royal family and then go on places singing it) but with this curse that he uttered , he found that he had 'invented' the anushtup metre and was very influenced by this, making his resolve of writing Ramayana more firm and on Brahma's behest he converts the written matter into the newly invented metre; like Brahma says" Thou write what is/was visible, thou write what wasn't visible (to you) but thou shall not write false" this appeared in today's epi too in form of a song.

Plus every poet has to get a 'poetic empathy'-imaginitive projection on which the poem rests ,thus the hunter incident triggered Valmiki's empathy and he took a resolve to write Ramayana in form of that metre.

(this is my explaination)

Originally posted by: godisone

It could be true, I don't know.😳 But Sage Vasishta and Satananda arranged the marriages of the Princes and Princesses. Surely they would know about the Muhurth? But......maybe they knew about the future, and arranged the marriages accordingly to help the Lord's purpose?

Interesting speculation though.....

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

According to the Valmiki Ramayan, all four brothers were married on the same day.

But in Kamba Ramayan, Ram - Sita wedding happened first and the others got married later - atleast not at the same time. But as per the verses, I'd guess they got married on different days.

o h man this post is 64 pages old

Originally posted by: chatterbox

o h man this post is 64 pages old

so u all say that rakshasi yday was kk chacha wife

but tellme which pg story is i read in btwn still dint get it

some say vridasur some say kk chacha

whose widow was she

what connection she is showin now with sita i dot get it

Originally posted by: chen2chic

Chatter di! Go to Page 55 of this discussion........

Ananya's question wrt Bhimasur and Karkati begins there................

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

In my book, whenever there is a conflict between the accounts of Valmiki vs anyone else, Valmiki overrides them for a bumch of reasons:

1. He was a contemporary of Rama, and had written all this long before Rama was born.

2. His account of Ravan's boon is consistent with Rama's knowledge of his divinity. Since Brahma had granted Ravan the boon that his death couldn't be caused by devas, rakshashas, yakshas, gandharvas and a whole laundry list of creatures, including the Gods Brahma, Vishnu & Shiva themselves, had Rama known that he was Vishnu, he'd have been no different from his earlier avatars that merely took on temporary forms for the period it was needed e.g. Kurma, or Vahara, or Narasimha. But such a form would still have been Vishnu, with full awareness of who he was, and all his powers, and as per Brahma's boon, would have been powerless to kill Ravan. The only way it could be done was if Vishnu got himself re-incarnated, with no knowledge of his divinity and his prowess, and started obtaining his divya-vidya from scratch, as Rama did from Vaishistha, Vishwamitra, Agastya and a whole bunch of rishis he befriended during the vanvas. This is my strongest reason for not believing Vyasa's account of things, as well as others who depicted Rama as knowing about his divinity. Note that once Ravan was killed and this requirement was no longer there, Brahma himself revealed to Rama his divine identity, and the need for that secrecy was no longer there.

4. Brahma told Valmiki that as long as the rivers, mountains & seas exist, so long will the Ramayan exist. Note that he didn't say that to Vyasa, Kamban, Tulsidas, Krittivas, Ramdev et al - no disrespect to them, but they were not recipients of his boon.

There may be other reasons that escape me right now, but these are the ones that come to mind.

very nice reasons chandra👏, so do i believe in valmiki. though i have reason to believe in vyasha as well. actually there is always conflict in scriptures. if we take sriptures written by same man i.e vyasha itself we found so many confict. In such situation our own reasoningand interpretaation is only help though in some cases that also fails to work Confused

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

3. Maharshi Vyasa was born ages after Rama's passing, since his mother Satyavati even didn't exist during the Treta yuga, so Vyasa couldn't possibly have existed during the period in question. Since we are talking yugas and not mere decades, there is a much stronger reason to doubt the accounts there that conflict with the Ramayan.

Here i wud disagree, his birth has nothing to do about his writting. for Kamban, tulsi, krittiwas the thing is different but when it comes to vyash it become different. Vyahs is much above all of them being incarnation of vishnu itself. remember because of his work ony we know everything even the creation and dissoution even he or none of any humans or even demigod was there at the time of creation. his reason for coming to earth itself is to split vedas into four as its not possible for humans to understant it if it is in single form. his writing though conflict from valmiki but no reason to call it doubtful, but if there is confliction there is doubt too.

Originally posted by: godisone

Hey, I'm not that obssessed about the Old Ramayan!😲😆..........................................................Okay, yes I am, but that's not the point.🤣😉

This is funny though.🤣

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900!!!

Rajnish

Re-reading it, it's even funnier when read in context. The original context was the pativrata stris, and the mention of Sagar & Kesini in it, to which I mentioned that Sagar had 2 wives. So if the discussion is on pativrat and suddenly Ramanand Sagar's wife is brought in🤣, it's even funnier than it originally came out to be (I'm not suggesting anything about Ramanand Sagar's wife, just that nobody would be discussing her in the context in question 🤣). I just spent 5 minutes laughing when I first read it last night.🤣

Mandodari,

I recognize you were busy & dazed when you wrote it. Happens! Just hope that you weren't offended by what I wrote, and apologize if you were - it's just that I haven't chuckled like this in a while; otherwise, I'd have simply overlooked it as just one of those things that passes off in course of the day.

Chandra bhaiya

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