DOTW:spiritual growth from Ramayan - Page 2

Created

Last reply

Replies

35

Views

2.4k

Users

10

Likes

1

Frequent Posters

RamKiSeeta thumbnail
17th Anniversary Thumbnail Achiever Thumbnail + 6
Posted: 17 years ago
#11
Really great DOTW topic, Rajnish!👏👏👏 Topics like this will create a better understanding out epics and the messages in it. Thank you for starting it!⭐️⭐️⭐️
Here are my takes on the first two questions. I will post the next three later.😊
  1. There are many messages and morals to learn in our epics, but the one underlying message in which everything else falls into is, do your Dharma, and God will help you with the rest. "As birds are made to fly and rivers to run, so the soul to follow duty." Our epics: Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bhagavatham, Devi Bhagavatham, etc are not mere stories, but instructions given by God on how to live our life. Through the legends of Ram and Sita, the Kurukshetra War, etc, God, in the form of Shri Rama and Shri Krishna, tells us what is good and what is bad, what kinds of deeds help us on our way to Moksha and what kinds of deeds cause us to be reborn on Earth again and again. What is our duty, and how does it vary from gender to gender, age, and caste?
  2. Every character in Ramayana teaches us something, whether they were "good" or "bad". The character of Devi Sita taught us the role of an ideal wife, and an ideal queen. Instead of living in the palace of Ayodhya, where she would have had all sorts of pleasures and comfort, she chose to follow her husband to the forests, where she suffered all kinds of hardships. "O Lord, wandering with thee, even hell itself would be to me a heaven of bliss," she said. Her mind was always on her Prabhu, her lord, and every other male she encountered was equal to her son: Lakshman, Bharat, Hanuman, etc.

The character of Shri Ram taught us the role of an ideal king, son, and husband, the characters of Bharat and Lakshman the roles of an ideal brother, the characters of Kaushalya and Sumithra the roles of an ideal mother, the character of Dasharath the role of an ideal father and ruler, the character of Hanuman the role of an ideal devotee, the characters of Sugriva and Guha the roles of an ideal friend, the character of Vibhishana the role of an ideal well-wisher, the character of Janaka the role of an ideal father-in-law and jnani, and Mandodari another ideal wife.

The character of Manthara teaches us that we, who truly know our family members more than outsiders, should not listen to people like Manthara who try to poison our minds for their own gain. The character of Kaikeyi teaches us that if we do acts for our own selfish reasons, and disregard the wishes everyone else (including our elders), we will be left without anything in the end, and be the unhappiest of all. Kaikeyi lost the love of her son Bharat, her husband, to whom she was the favorite wife, died after disowning her, and everyone in the kingdom despised her. What greater unhappiness could there be?

The character of Ravan teaches us that if we let our desires rule our good sense, we will be destroyed in the end. Ravan was not unintelligent; he was well versed in all the Vedas, but when it came to his lust for the chaste Sita, all his good sense left him and he would not listen to the advice of anyone. In the end, he was killed, and his brother Vibhishana, who always followed his Dharma and never let his mind be ruled by his desires, became king. The character of Vali teaches us that no matter how good we are, or how strong we are, we should not succumb to even one act of evil, or we are destroyed. Vali was not a bad vanara, but his one act of kidnapping and desiring Ruma, who was like a daughter to him, became the cause of his death. The character of Mareech taught us that we should never assist anyone in an act that goes against Dharma and righteousness, or we ourselves will get destroyed. Finally, the character of Indrajit taught us that by defeating a powerful force (the Devas), one does not become immune to death, and we should never let pride overtake our good sense.

RamKiSeeta thumbnail
17th Anniversary Thumbnail Achiever Thumbnail + 6
Posted: 17 years ago
#12

3. My favorite lesson from Ramayana is: do your Dharma, and God will help you with the rest. Don't think of the outcome, but of the effort that should be given to get the outcome. There was once an incident back when I was in elementary school. I always rode on the bus with a girl who was not liked by many, because she was too quiet and shy, but I liked her. I had a tendency to make friends with those people who others looked down upon, because I myself went through that when I was little. This girl was very nice, and extremely intelligent; she was just too shy to speak up. There was this other girl who didn't like the girl I was riding with, and she called her a bad name (I don't want to say what it is). My friend told her parents, who went to the principal and told her about the girl who called their daughter a bad name. My school was a private school, and it took extremely strict disciplinary actions for any wrongdoing. The principal called that girl up to her office and gave her a warning slip (which went in one's school record). That girl, in a fit of anger, told the principal that I was involved too.

I was of course frightened to death that I would get in trouble for something I didn't do at all, because the principal said I would get a warning slip too, but I told the principal exactly what happened, and gave my best effort to show her that I had no part in any of this, and in the end, after lots of explanations and calling my friend to the office to support my words, I was let off and the mean girl was given a lecture about lying, along with a warning slip.

If one did nothing wrong, and they get blamed for something, pray to God, and give your best effort to prove to everyone that you are not in the wrong, and in the end your will get rewarded.

4. Each and every incident in the Ramayana was inspiring, but the ones I think which were most inspiring were Ram's exile to the forest, Hanuman's meeting with Sita in Lanka, and the agni pareeksha. Ram's exile inspired devotion and respect to one's parents, Hanuman's meeting with Sita inspired that trust in our Lord and continuous devotion rewards us (Sita received peace of mind after Hanuman explained to her that Ram would wage war on Lanka soon), and the agni-pariksha inspired me that one who is truly pure and chaste cannot be harmed even by fire.

There were sooo many other incidents also, and each and every incident in Ramayana inspires a good deed in us.

5. I think each and every single incident in the Ramayana happened for a reason, and each incident caused another. I think changing even one incident, any incident, will change the whole story. Prabhu Shri Ram also gave reasons why each incident had to happen the way it did, and the reasons he gave are unarguable. Personally, I think every incident had to happen for the morals to get across to us and our society. Just my opinion…others may think differently.

Savi13 thumbnail
17th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail
Posted: 17 years ago
#13
Gr8 post Rajnish...
i spl.like the way two Gr8 man explained the Spiritual side of Ramayan...
and i totally agree that Ramayan will remain there till this world lives...
infact i've a ques... like is there any scripture of Hinduism or any other religion which is so simple to understand and easy to grab....like Mahabharat is still for me a confusing epic..i mean there are so many things going on...i actually got confused..and why i asked the ques that any other religion on the simple basic because we can find various movies, serials, drama and now comics tooo made on the Hindu epics..esp... Ramayana nad Mahabharat... but i could hardly see anything of other religion.......
so i feel the popularity of this epic is more than any other.... reason being its so simple to understand...
Guys plz...correct me if i'm wrong and i'm sorry if i offended any one feeling on putting Ramayna as popular epic in contrast to other epics....


Savi13 thumbnail
17th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail
Posted: 17 years ago
#14

Originally posted by: sita11

Wow !!! fabulous topic rajnish !!!

Rajnish the whole credit of posting this topic goes to you only !! only you can think abt this wonderful topic ,superb points u hv put up for the discussion !!!!

Very well written !!

Truly appreciate your hardwork rajnish !!!!

DON'T WORRY everyone wud reply wen they come to the forum .

Ok slowly I wud put my views at this thread !!!

I am typing the whole article from my news paper THE TIMES OF INDIA from the spiritual tree section !! this article is about RAMAYAN ,written by Kishore Asthana (Thursday,OCT9,2008)

Here it is----

AN Epic That Entertains Informs And Elevates

Rama is a symbol of our soul .Ramayan is Ram +Aryan.It means the journey of Rama,symbolizing the way our soul advances .Rama like our soul ,is without faults and is of divine origin,having been born as a blessing of the divine nectar given by the Gods to King Dashrath as a result of the putrakameshthi yagna performe by him .Rama is an incarnation of LORD Vishnu ,that virtual part of parmatma,the ultimate soul or power which sustains creation .Rama is blue hued as blue signifies eternity.

The soul entity does not usually take birth by itself ,it is an accompanied by other fellow souls who are also of divine origin .Rama's brother Lakshmana is one such ,he accompanies Rama into exile . Bharata & Shatrughana ,the other two elements of the soul entity ,stay behind & take care of the kingdom in Rama's name .

The soul is wedded to the body ,symbolized by SITA .SITA is considered the daughter of mother Earth ,as she was found by Janaka ,king of Mithila,in a furrow in a field & raised by him & his wife Sunaina .Our bodies too ,are made of the elements provided by the Earth .

As a step in Rama's journey through life ,he is sent into exile .Indeed ,the very birth of the soul in physical form can be considered an exile for the soul .during his exile he is accompanied by his wife ,as indeed ,the soul is accompanied by the body during our time on EARTH .

While here ,the body often desires riches and beautiful objects .The GOLDEN DEER is symbolic of these objects of desires .In pursuit of these ,Sita gets kidnapped by Ravana,the symbol of our mind.Some think that the 10 heads symbolize the five senese organs and the five motor (or cognitive) organs of the human body described in the Vedas .

Ravana's heads symbolize the tendencies of our mind .Our mind is clever and powerful like Ravan and can be demonic like him ,too.It is related to Kumbhkaran ,the embodiment of gluttony and sloth.It is related to Vibhishana too,the part of our mind which leaves behind it's demonic origin to take the side of the good .

Our mind has many "heads" and it is not possible to kill them one at a time ,for the moment one head is removed another takes it's place .We have to remove all the tendencies of the mind at one go and overcome the mind in order to regain our divine palce .

To get Sita back from Ravana ,Rama is helped by Hanuman and his vanar sena .He is helped too ,by the bear army under Jamvant .These represents the forces of nature ,which come to the aid of those who dare .Some of these forces are malevolent,too like Sugreev's brother Bali.

The divine in us helps us overcome forces of evil ,too.

When Sita goes through the test of fire-agnipareeksha---it is only symbolic of the body that is burnt once the self overcomes the mind.Rama's journey is complete and his exile is over.

With so many plots and sub-plots ,underlying themes and messages and interesting characters ,the stories of the RAMAYAN continue to engage us,with its many intepre-tations & versions ,the epic means different things to different people ,rich in content and symbolism .


nice article....
thanks Sita for posting it.....
after reading this article what i was thinking is that many ppl..believe that Ramayan is mere a myth not reality...then i feel isn't this myth of there is need to be known by them... spl..becoz this poem of the gr8 sage Vashishta as many belive that is just a poetic imagination of some poet have so much to say about life and
hold so much in it....we actually find solutions of our problem out of it....


Edited by sam1903 - 17 years ago
_rajnish_ thumbnail
17th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 17 years ago
#15

Originally posted by: sam1903

Gr8 post Rajnish... Thanks
i spl.like the way two Gr8 man explained the Spiritual side of Ramayan...
and i totally agree that Ramayan will remain there till this world lives...
infact i've a ques... like is there any scripture of Hinduism or any other religion which is so simple to understand and easy to grab....like Mahabharat is still for me a confusing epic..i mean there are so many things going on...i actually got confused..and why i asked the ques that any other religion on the simple basic because we can find various movies, serials, drama and now comics tooo made on the Hindu epics..esp... Ramayana nad Mahabharat... but i could hardly see anything of other religion.......
so i feel the popularity of this epic is more than any other.... reason being its so simple to understand...
Guys plz...correct me if i'm wrong and i'm sorry if i offended any one feeling on putting Ramayna as popular epic in contrast to other epics....



there is nothing you have written so that any one could be offended😊. yeah i agree mahabharat is mor complex than Ramayan. Mahabharata is longest Poetry in the world with its 125000 verses. It has more of philosophical side. see bhagwat gita is a part of mahabharat. Ramayana is a work of the same essential kind as the Mahabharata; it differs only by a greater simplicity of plan, a more delicate ideal temperament and a finer glow of poetic warmth and colour. The main bulk of the poem in spite of much accretion is evidently by a single hand and has a less complex and more obvious unity of structure. There is less of the philosophic, more of the purely poetic mind, more of the artist, less of the builder. The whole story is from beginning to end of one piece and there is no deviation from the stream of the narrative.
Krinya thumbnail
18th Anniversary Thumbnail Visit Streak 500 Thumbnail + 8
Posted: 17 years ago
#16

That's a very nice topic Rajnish...

Ok I'll try to put in my views..

We need our epics because they teach us the way of living. At the same time, no epic must be followed blindly..Since we have come very far from the time of Ramayan, it's difficult to embibe those values as it is...Yes, the stories have strong moral values but I feel in today's world, people get swayed away by the emotions very easily.....In today's times, no son would go for a 14 year exile (there r no vans for vanvaas nyways :D) on his father's wish..or if his stepmom wishes.....Unfortunately there are more Ravans today than Ram......It might/might not be of any practical use but ideally, it is a pointer that would help us in our daily life in a meaningful way..I find Mahabharat more practical and close to reality...

The younger generation needs to to know about our epics and our culture.....the day we understand Ramayan characters completely we'll become like them....As a human being, we must be try to be happy, and at peace with ourselves..that's most important..

All characters of Ramayan were nice but i find them ideal...n i don't believe in idealisism...

I wish Sita haran had not happened...bec. I hated the part when she had to leave Ayodhaya..I wish Ram had killed Ravan like khar dushan..or may be Ravan kidnaps some other lady.lets say..Sugreev's wife... and Ram goes to Lanka to save her with vaanar sena 🤔 weird ha 🤣

Charu
Krinya thumbnail
18th Anniversary Thumbnail Visit Streak 500 Thumbnail + 8
Posted: 17 years ago
#17

Originally posted by: rajnish_here


there is nothing you have written so that any one could be offended😊. yeah i agree mahabharat is mor complex than Ramayan. Mahabharata is longest Poetry in the world with its 125000 verses. It has more of philosophical side. see bhagwat gita is a part of mahabharat. Ramayana is a work of the same essential kind as the Mahabharata; it differs only by a greater simplicity of plan, a more delicate ideal temperament and a finer glow of poetic warmth and colour. The main bulk of the poem in spite of much accretion is evidently by a single hand and has a less complex and more obvious unity of structure. There is less of the philosophic, more of the purely poetic mind, more of the artist, less of the builder. The whole story is from beginning to end of one piece and there is no deviation from the stream of the narrative.

I don't find Mahabharat confusing..but it's just a point of view..i love Bhagwad Geeta more than any epic..😊
rupalip thumbnail
19th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail Networker 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 17 years ago
#18
Thanks Rajnish for starting this DOTW........
When I was a kid Ramayan was just a story for me to know about Lord
but now its not a story but a gr8 lesson which teaches all Gud n Bad
phases of life...
The point I took from Ramayan is .....
when Lord himself wasnt spared from bad time then who we are ..
We are just human beings and all bad n good deeds gonna give their result ....
It was all their past time deeds that both Ram-SIta suffered a lot....
Then sacrifice is the thing which has no limitation and theres noone who cares abt the reason of sacrifice
but there are many to pull your legs ....
Ramji did everything for others but still others point question on him ...
So who gonna spare us....
Ramayan for me again is a tension burster as whenever I get upset this Forum and Ramayan gives lot of peace ....
I know same is the case with many of u too....
coolpurvi thumbnail
17th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 17 years ago
#19
Trying to answer ques 2-5

2&3...........i've already anwered it. now adding some more to it. There is differnce between what we can learn form Ramayan n what we have learnt. In todays circumstaces Ramayan cant be followed in toto because circumtances r different. I m obidient n honest by nature. I never disobey my parents. But I m not like Bharat or Laxman when it comes to obeying elder bro n sis. we often had silly fights over small issues like TV remote. we keep pulling each other's leg n play pranks. But on serious matters I obey them n respect their wish. They r first person from whom i take advice becoz I trust them most after my parents. I m a bit immature n less responsible than my elder bro n sis. kya kahu laad pyaar ne bigaad diya.but im protective by nature so sometime do didigiri over them. thus i have not implemented many lessons of ramayan in my life

we all know what we can learn from good characters. But we can learn from negative characters also. From Manthara n kekayi--incident we can learn that pay more heed to family members than outsiders. From Ravan we can learn that we shud not be egoist

there is a saying that man always tries to avoid pain n enhance pleasure. Ramayan says dont avoid hardships by defying dharma(righteousness). For pleasure or gain we shud not do anything bad. m trying to follow ideals of Ramayan. It inspires me to be good n improve myself.

4. Each incident is inspiring. but ayodhya kand n uttar kand is most inspiring to me

5. nothing such............Almighty is the best writer.
Edited by coolpurvi - 17 years ago
coolpurvi thumbnail
17th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 17 years ago
#20

Originally posted by: rupalip

Ramayan for me again is a tension burster as whenever I get upset this Forum and Ramayan gives lot of peace ....
I know same is the case with many of u too....


yup. same with me

Related Topics

Top

Stay Connected with IndiaForums!

Be the first to know about the latest news, updates, and exclusive content.

Add to Home Screen!

Install this web app on your iPhone for the best experience. It's easy, just tap and then "Add to Home Screen".