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purvi

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Posted: 17 years ago

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rajnish kumar

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Posted: 17 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: luv_khwaish
That's a very nice topic Rajnish...
Thanks😛

Ok I'll try to put in my views..

We need our epics because they teach us the way of living. At the same time, no epic must be followed blindly..Since we have come very far from the time of Ramayan, it's difficult to embibe those values as it is...Yes, the stories have strong moral values but I feel in today's world, people get swayed away by the emotions very easily.....In today's times, no son would go for a 14 year exile (there r no vans for vanvaas nyways :D) on his father's wish..or if his stepmom wishes.....Unfortunately there are more Ravans today than Ram......

totally agree with u. no one can follow the ideals of Ramayan in 20th century. its not possible. but it teaches us many things. its our ideal but bit difficult for normal human being to follow. talking and giving suggestion is other thing. having knowledge of epic is other thing but following its ideals in todays generation is quietly different . its kalyug.........

Originally posted by: luv_khwaish
It might/might not be of any practical use but ideally, it is a pointer that would help us in our daily life in a meaningful way..I find Mahabharat more practical and close to reality...

why not it can be applied in practical use. the ideal which it teaches like monogamy, respect for elders, being true, love for ones family,The futility of getting swayed by dubious attractions, greatness of women,greatness of trust, etc. are these things can't be applied for practical use??. the ideals and teaching of ramayan and epics we use today in law as well as management.

and how can you find mahabharata more practical and close to reality? for many people its more philosophical and bit difficult to understand and follow

Originally posted by: luv_khwaish
The younger generation needs to to know about our epics and our culture.....the day we understand Ramayan characters completely we'll become like them....As a human being, we must be try to be happy, and at peace with ourselves..that's most important..

i agree😛. great point u put👏

Originally posted by: luv_khwaish

I wish Sita haran had not happened...bec. I hated the part when she had to leave Ayodhaya..I wish Ram had killed Ravan like khar dushan..or may be Ravan kidnaps some other lady.lets say..Sugreev's wife... and Ram goes to Lanka to save her with vaanar sena 🤔 weird ha 🤣
Charu

what about then ideals set by ram in sita haran?? don't you feel their is a msg in this event. bali is capable to release his wife himself he won't have asked help of sri ram for this so this thing is meaningless. . sita leaving ayodhya is an ideal which teach us what is patnidharm. these all thing happened for reason...

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rajnish kumar

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Posted: 17 years ago

#23

thanks lallitha di😛. really very good reply👏

Originally posted by: godisone

5. I think each and every single incident in the Ramayana happened for a reason, and each incident caused another. I think changing even one incident, any incident, will change the whole story. Prabhu Shri Ram also gave reasons why each incident had to happen the way it did, and the reasons he gave are unarguable. Personally, I think every incident had to happen for the morals to get across to us and our society. Just my opinion'others may think differently.

What about banishment and agnipariksha. what moral you think in these?

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Janaki

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Posted: 17 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: rajnish_here
thanks lallitha di😛. really very good reply👏

What about banishment and agnipariksha. what moral you think in these?

Thank you.⭐️

Shri Ram is known as the ideal son. Why? Because he served his father and mother (well, three mothers) with utmost devotion and fulfilled their desires before they even uttered them. For example, when Maharaj Dasharath told Shri Ram to go with Brahmarshi Vishvamithra, Ramji went without a word of protest. In today's society, what son will go with a complete stranger to a place he doesn't know, even if it is a father's command? In today's society, we all are very suspicious of strangers, but Ram and Lakshman went with Muni Vishvamithra without complaint and fulfilled his wish by killing Tataka and Subahu, and banishing Maricha some yojanas away. They revered Vishvamithra as their father and didn't think of Ayodhya at all while with Vishvamithra.

But the biggest test of parent devotion for Ramji was fulfilling Kaikeyi's two boons, so that no dishonor tainted the holy dynasty of the Raghus. In today's society, a son may go with a stranger to an unknown place at his father's command, but I guarantee you, no son will leave home and his beloved ones for 14 years to go on an exile at the behest of his stepmother. That's the moral that the banishment of Shri Rama teaches. Let alone 14 years, a son must go for 50 years if his parents, or even step parents (no matter how cruel or good they are) desire it. The first Dharma of every son and daughter is to not only respect their parents, but to obey each and every command and wish. That's why I think the banishment happened. Lord Vishnu could have created a completely different scenario for killing Ravan. For example, Shri Ram could have been crowned King as Dasharath desired, and then Shurpanaka could have seen Ramji in his royal glory while flying through the skies, and she could have approached Ramji the same way, and Lakshman cuts of her nose and ears the same way, and Shurpanaka could have gone to Ravan and told him of beautiful Maharani Sita, and Ravan could have created a differend plan of kidnapping Sitaji.

I mean, anything could have happened to cause Ravan's death, but why did Lord Vishnu create the banishment scenario? To show the extent to which a son/daughter must obey his/her parents' command. Ramji going with Vishvamithra was definitely great, but it wasn't the extent to which a son obeys his father. By showing Ramji accepting his exile without a second thought, Ramayana shows us the extent to which we must follow our parents' command. By reading about the banishment, we get the idea of an ideal son, and understand that let alone going on an exile, Ramji would have given his life for his parents. That's the extent in which he loved his parents and obeyed them.

Also, the banishment taught us (in the form of Manthara and Kaikeyi) that listening to the words of outsiders will destroy your family. Who knows each other better than parents and siblings? We must love our family, and trust them fully. Then, no word of an oursider will ever pierce our trust.

As for the Agni Pariksha, it showed us that one who is truely chaste will never be harmed even by fire. Many people today, in our society, don't do things unless there's a reward. For example, when someone tells them to be good, they ask, "How'll that benefit me?" Without a reward, nothing is done in our world.

Sita Devi prooved to people like this that being chaste, and dedicating your mind, heart, and soul to your husband/wife will bring you power beyond anything you know. In the old Ramayan, Maharani Sunayana tells Sita, Urmila, Mandavi, and Srutakirti that a chaste woman is feared even by the Gods, because a form of Shakti resides in them, protecting them from all evil. To not be harmed by fire, which is known as one of the most destructive things, is great indeed. It is not a lie also. One who is sincerely chaste and pure will never be harmed by anything.

I believe this is the greatest lesson that the Agni-Pareeksha teaches us. Many people believe that this incident shows Ram's cruelty, but that's absolutely not true! By creating this incident, Shri Ram showed the whole world the divinity and purity of his wife, and the merits of purity and chastity.

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rajnish kumar

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Posted: 17 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: rupalip

Thanks Rajnish for starting this DOTW........

When I was a kid Ramayan was just a story for me to know about Lord

but now its not a story but a gr8 lesson which teaches all Gud n Bad

phases of life...

The point I took from Ramayan is .....

when Lord himself wasnt spared from bad time then who we are ..

We are just human beings and all bad n good deeds gonna give their result ....

It was all their past time deeds that both Ram-SIta suffered a lot....

Then sacrifice is the thing which has no limitation and theres noone who cares abt the reason of sacrifice

but there are many to pull your legs ....

Ramji did everything for others but still others point question on him ...

So who gonna spare us....

Ramayan for me again is a tension burster as whenever I get upset this Forum and Ramayan gives lot of peace ....

I know same is the case with many of u too....

very true di😛

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rajnish kumar

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Posted: 17 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: coolpurvi
Trying to answer ques 2-5

2&3...........i've already anwered it. now adding some more to it. There is differnce between what we can learn form Ramayan n what we have learnt. In todays circumstaces Ramayan cant be followed in toto because circumtances r different. I m obidient n honest by nature. I never disobey my parents. But I m not like Bharat or Laxman when it comes to obeying elder bro n sis. we often had silly fights over small issues like TV remote. we keep pulling each other's leg n play pranks. But on serious matters I obey them n respect their wish. They r first person from whom i take advice becoz I trust them most after my parents. I m a bit immature n less responsible than my elder bro n sis. kya kahu laad pyaar ne bigaad diya.but im protective by nature so sometime do didigiri over them. thus i have not implemented many lessons of ramayan in my life

we all know what we can learn from good characters. But we can learn from negative characters also. From Manthara n kekayi--incident we can learn that pay more heed to family members than outsiders. From Ravan we can learn that we shud not be egoist

there is a saying that man always tries to avoid pain n enhance pleasure. Ramayan says dont avoid hardships by defying dharma(righteousness). For pleasure or gain we shud not do anything bad. m trying to follow ideals of Ramayan. It inspires me to be good n improve myself.

4. Each incident is inspiring. but ayodhya kand n uttar kand is most inspiring to me

5. nothing such............Almighty is the best writer.

I too have same thinking and inspiration😛😃

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Charu

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Posted: 17 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: rajnish_here

totally agree with u. no one can follow the ideals of Ramayan in 20th century. its not possible. but it teaches us many things. its our ideal but bit difficult for normal human being to follow. talking and giving suggestion is other thing. having knowledge of epic is other thing but following its ideals in todays generation is quietly different . its kalyug.........

why not it can be applied in practical use. the ideal which it teaches like monogamy, respect for elders, being true, love for ones family,The futility of getting swayed by dubious attractions, greatness of women,greatness of trust, etc. are these things can't be applied for practical use??. the ideals and teaching of ramayan and epics we use today in law as well as management.

and how can you find mahabharata more practical and close to reality? for many people its more philosophical and bit difficult to understand and follow

i said "might/might not" ..i meant to say that each person has a different understanding of the epic..everybody's interpretation differ..yeah it teaches us all these things but they might/might not be of practical use ..it's ones personal opinion...love for elders, for your brothers sisters , for your husband/wife comes naturally to every human being...monogamy?our society has preconceived notions about it n i feel they r right..we need not worry about this issue in India at least 😆 greatness of woman? well women are and were always great ,because we give birth to children, we raise them, we love them , take care of them, take care of our family, we are the inner strength of men.... the only difference is that men have started acknowledging the fact now....that's what i said..it's all there in today's world but there's no idealism which existed in Ramayan days...Ramayan is the perfection..if any person can be perfect then he'll be like Ram/Laxman or Hanuman...or any character of Ramayan..

Lets not get into Ramayan vs Mahabharat debate..I'm not a philosophical person ..I may not be able to tell you WHY i find Mahabharat practical and close to reality but that's how I feel....😊

i agree😛. great point u put👏

what about then ideals set by ram in sita haran?? don't you feel their is a msg in this event. bali is capable to release his wife himself he won't have asked help of sri ram for this so this thing is meaningless. . sita leaving ayodhya is an ideal which teach us what is patnidharm. these all thing happened for reason...
oh oh that was a hypothetical question and a hypothetical answer...i never said such and such changes should be there...nor i took vali's name..i said "sugreev's wife" 😆 patnidharam? there are no Sitas today and there are no Rams..there are dhobis today but they do their jobs...yes..many husbands have abandoned their wives for several reasons only known to them , there are divorces, there are extra marital affairs etc. etc. so in a way yes....it's still happening in some or the other way..

who am i to change Ramayan ? it's good the way it is....

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purvi

@coolpurvi

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Posted: 17 years ago

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sam, rupali di, sita di, juhi, mallikadi, chatter n other pls post ur opinion on the questtions in brown color posted in first page of DOTW. lets share our opinion on the topic.I've already posted my opinion on the first page n 2nd now waiting to read urs

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Samiksha Birla

@Savi13

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Posted: 17 years ago

#29

Originally posted by: coolpurvi
sam, rupali di, sita di, juhi, mallikadi, chatter n other pls post ur opinion on the questtions in brown color posted in first page of DOTW. lets share our opinion on the topic.I've already posted my opinion on the first page n 2nd now waiting to read urs

i will post them soon......
wake up guys.....
its Good morning time.....
our Ramayan family tooo need our attention.........
plz...no more laziness in posting ur opinion....
hum bhut sooo chuke ab jaag jao...
if the laziest girl like me can wake up so the others tooo....
plzz... come and discuss over here.....

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bhopalyellow

@bhopalyellow

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Posted: 17 years ago

#30

thanks rajnish bhaiya for starting this topic.....😊well as far as my views r concerned....i remember 18 yrs. back when ramayan use to b telecasted on sundays along with other mytho serials like mahabharat, shri krishna i use to watch them continuosly without delay........

no doubt the acting of the actors was so good that even today i pray them as if they r real for their resp. characters.....😃😃😃

but yes as luv_kush said i use to hate some part of it coz sita mata had to again leave ayodhya without ramji.......😭and don't take me wrong but i even use to hate ramji.....and so to arun govilji coz i belived that he is only the real ramji.....😭😭😭

it was only after i joined this forum hat after reading some spiritual articles and good thoughts of our ramayan members that i came to know that everything that happrneg was GOD'S script which he already wrote and he acted as ramji and sitaji to show us the picture of good values.....😛😛😛and very very honestly it was gurmeetji coz of whom i use to believe that what he and HE (GOD) did is right and anything he and HE does can ever b wrong......😃😃😃

i have strated believeing a lot more in god from before after watching this ramayana.....😃

will post more later guys....😊