No criticism about Ramayan characters, please!

I have been reading a lot of criticism about the characters of Ramayan, and I don't think it is acceptable at all. It is a holy purana, and we should learn the morals from it, instead of questioning each and every motive/action of some of the characters. I would appreciate it if people can refrain from calling Vibhishan a Kul-Drohi, or Sugriva as a lustful man. And there are other examples also. An article in particular, called Truth of Sugriva, is very offensive. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but remember, the Ramayana is a beautiful epic full to the brim with morals. If anyone doubts the motives or actions of some of the characters, then discuss it as a question, but don't outright say that so and so character is immoral!

Originally posted by: godisone

I have been reading a lot of criticism about the characters of Ramayan, and I don't think it is acceptable at all. It is a holy purana, and we should learn the morals from it, instead of questioning each and ever motive/action of some of the characters. I would appreciate it if people can refrain from calling Vibhishan a Kul-Drohi, or Sugriva as a lustful man. And there are other examples also. An article in particular, called The Truth about Sugriva, is very offensive, and I don't want to see that kind of material again. Please! I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but remember, the Ramayana is a beautiful epic full to the brim with morals. If anyone doubts the motives or actions of some of the characters, then discuss it as a question, but don't outright say that so and so character is immoral!

Please tell me you opinion about this post. I hope I didn't offend anyone.

Originally posted by: its me tan

i differ from you wholeheartedly, true there are morals to be taught in ramayan but that does not mean that we cannot criticise the characters considering them as human beings, we cannot test them from different points of views instead of taking them as uni dimensional one,

we all respect ramayan and thats the reason we are here to discuss, but just because you "don't want to see that kind of material " u cannot ask us not to discuss the things we feel to discuss with opne mind, end of the day its an open discussion forum

may be although Bhibishan was virtuous and did what some one with sense would have done, ahd not he acted a bit selfish too? had he not broken ties with family and joined the enemy?

let everyone discuss what they want to and do not take any offense

Ah, but was it the enemy? When he knew it was the LORD himself.
Did he do the wrong thing, when his OWN brother became lustful, deceitful and STOLE someone elses wife?
Did he leave? Or was he kick out?

I can not remember where I read it, from which scriptures, but I can safely that the Lord can tolerate whatever things said about him, Good or bad, but he can't tolerate what is being said about his devotees.

So, I would be very careful, before things are said about vibshan, surgiva etc.
Remember to pray for forgiveness by saying Shri Ram.

Another point, IF Shri Ram asked his devotees "what do you want me to do about this person who has insulted you?" Do you know what the true devotees would say "Forgive them, prabhu, they are a part of you" because they understand that we have manifested from Him alone. That is why the Lord keeps them to his side. To be even a dear Friend of the Lord requires millions of merits from lot's of briths. So just imagine what category people like Vibshan and surgiva are.....

This is what Parlada did.

Originally posted by: diva82

Ah, but was it the enemy? When he knew it was the LORD himself.
Did he do the wrong thing, when his OWN brother became lustful, deceitful and STOLE someone elses wife?
Did he leave? Or was he kick out?

I can not remember where I read it, from which scriptures, but I can safely that the Lord can tolerate whatever things said about him, Good or bad, but he can't tolerate what is being said about his devotees.

So, I would be very careful, before things are said about vibshan, surgiva etc.
Remember to pray for forgiveness by saying Shri Ram.

Another point, IF Shri Ram asked his devotees "what do you want me to do about this person who has insulted you?" Do you know what the true devotees would say "Forgive them, prabhu, they are a part of you" because they understand that we have manifested from Him alone. That is why the Lord keeps them to his side. To be even a dear Friend of the Lord requires millions of merits from lot's of briths. So just imagine what category people like Vibshan and surgiva are.....

This is what Parlada did.

hum, but your forgetting one thing, we are here coz we all are devotees of shree ram and we all like ramayan,but that does not mean that you can try to take away some other poeples freedoms of speech

and as i said, when people r discussing them, they r discussing the human characters, and i frankly dont think thats some thing evil done against devotees, but this is an open forum and you have as much righ to voice your thoughts as i do, so thank you for participating

Originally posted by: its me tan

hum, but your forgetting one thing, we are here coz we all are devotees of shree ram and we all like ramayan,but that does not mean that you can try to take away some other poeples freedoms of speech

and as i said, when people r discussing them, they r discussing the human characters, and i frankly dont think thats some thing evil done against devotees, but this is an open forum and you have as much righ to voice your thoughts as i do, so thank you for participating

Well sorry, if you are a devotee, then one devotee would recognise another devotee.

I personally don't think I am anywhere near where what Surgiva, vidshana is etc, I think I have many lifetimes before I get even there, as I have lot's of negative tendenices and desires. And I can tell you one thing, devotees like surgiva and vibshan would say

"yes, this is right. This body has to be criticise, and the more it is, the more the ego of this body will be hit and the more I, the SELF, will be pushed towards the Lord"

And they are not human characters. They were/are real people.

I am sorry, it was my duty as a fellow devotee to alert, rest is up to you. My God forgive you and blesses you.

Originally posted by: its me tan

i differ from you wholeheartedly, true there are morals to be taught in ramayan but that does not mean that we cannot criticise the characters considering them as human beings, we cannot test them from different points of views instead of taking them as uni dimensional one,

we all respect ramayan and thats the reason we are here to discuss, but just because you "don't want to see that kind of material " u cannot ask us not to discuss the things we feel to discuss with opne mind, end of the day its an open discussion forum

may be although Bhibishan was virtuous and did what some one with sense would have done, ahd not he acted a bit selfish too? had he not broken ties with family and joined the enemy?

let everyone discuss what they want to and do not take any offense

Originally posted by: diva82

Ah, but was it the enemy? When he knew it was the LORD himself.
Did he do the wrong thing, when his OWN brother became lustful, deceitful and STOLE someone elses wife?
Did he leave? Or was he kick out?

I can not remember where I read it, from which scriptures, but I can safely that the Lord can tolerate whatever things said about him, Good or bad, but he can't tolerate what is being said about his devotees.

So, I would be very careful, before things are said about vibshan, surgiva etc.
Remember to pray for forgiveness by saying Shri Ram.

Another point, IF Shri Ram asked his devotees "what do you want me to do about this person who has insulted you?" Do you know what the true devotees would say "Forgive them, prabhu, they are a part of you" because they understand that we have manifested from Him alone. That is why the Lord keeps them to his side. To be even a dear Friend of the Lord requires millions of merits from lot's of briths. So just imagine what category people like Vibshan and surgiva are.....

This is what Parlada did.

And I also agree that people have freedom of speech, but how far does that go when regarding the Lord? Do people really have freedom of speech to say what they like about God?

Originally posted by: godisone

And I also agree that people have freedom of speech, but how far does that go when regarding the Lord? Do people really have freedom of speech to say what they like about God?

Originally posted by: its me tan

r the people actually talking against the Lord?

let people discuss what they want, at the end of the day its your faith and it depends on you only

and i did not take offense in your post coz you were trying to point out something which you did not like

but i did take offense in a particular sentence, i did not like it and i honely did not expect that sentence coming form you

else i am fine with ur topic, i am open for all sorts of discussions people do and i just want all sorts of discussions to happen, that only will make interactions better.