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Posted: 12 years ago


^^I read that Veil and Mangal Sutra...both were derived from Mughal Culture.

A saying from Sant Kabir Das(1398-1518)(He was a great devotee of Lord Shri Ram)...

Stay,Stay my daughter Veil not thy face,
at the last moment it will not avail thee the eighth of a paise,
She who used to veil her face;follow not thou in her foot steps.
The only advantage of veiling thy face is that for 5 or 10 days people will say a good daughter in law has come!
Thy veil only be real if thou do your work singing Hari's(God's) praises and skip and dance in his sevice.
O daughter in law thou shall obtain salvation when thou passes life in singing god's praises.😳

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Krrrishnaaa



^^I read that Veil and Mangal Sutra...both were derived from Mughal Culture.

A saying from Sant Kabir Das(1398-1518)(He was a great devotee of Lord Shri Ram)...

Stay,Stay my daughter Veil not thy face,
at the last moment it will not avail thee the eighth of a paise,
She who used to veil her face;follow not thou in her foot steps.
The only advantage of veiling thy face is that for 5 or 10 days people will say a good daughter in law has come!
Thy veil only be real if thou do your work singing Hari's(God's) praises and skip and dance in his sevice.
O daughter in law thou shall obtain salvation when thou passes life in singing god's praises.😳


Beautiful verses Krishu Thanks for sharing!! Totally loved them.So true !! Veil or NO veil the beauty of a woman is different😳Her VIRTUE cannot be judged on the basis of Veil 😳
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Krrrishnaaa



^^I read that Veil and Mangal Sutra...both were derived from Mughal Culture.




It is very much possible that the veil system came from the Mughal culture, since it is mostly prevalent in North India and the Mughals' empire was in North India. In South India today, you will not see anyone with veils, and even in mythological shows, they don't show Sita or Draupadi with veils during the vanvaas sequences, through they're there for the royal ones.

The Mangalsutra is definitely not from the Mughal culture though. Muslims don't have anything like the mangal sutra. 😆 We can debate about the origins of the Mangalsutra in puranas, but it is clearly mentioned in the Devi Bhagawatham and Lalitha Sahasranamam, that Goddess Lalitha, in all her various forms as Parvahti, Lakshmi, and Saraswati, is never without her mangalsutra. The mangalsutra is a very auspicious symbol of Hinduism which existed far before the mughals.

As for whether Sita wore a mangalsutra, people can believe what they want, but for me, if Goddess Lakshmi was never without a mangalsutra (which I strongly believe is true), I doubt Sita would be without one. But each to his own, it's not worth arguing over. 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
@Arti,

Thanks for the information! I find it plausible that the veil system came from the Mughals. They believed very heavily on purdah, and in Aurangzeb's time, he enforced Muslim practices on everyone, regardless of whether they were Muslim, Hindu, or Christian.

I personally don't have a problem whether Sita is shown with or without a veil. She would look nice either way! But if Sita is shown without a veil, I do prefer that she is shown tying her hair up, because back in the day, it was considered inauspicious for women to reveal their hair to anyone besides their husband. So if Sita does not wear a veil, she should be shown in a tight braid or bun, but if the veil is shown, then it's ok for the hair to be let loose.

I like the look of Neha after they gave her a veil, not because of the veil itself, but because of the dignified hairstyle Sita wore. She looked very Goddess-like more than in the initial vanvaas epis. 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago

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It is very much possible that the veil system came from the Mughal culture, since it is mostly prevalent in North India and the Mughals' empire was in North India. In South India today, you will not see anyone with veils, and even in mythological shows, they don't show Sita or Draupadi with veils during the vanvaas sequences, through they're there for the royal ones.

The Mangalsutra is definitely not from the Mughal culture though. Muslims don't have anything like the mangal sutra. 😆 We can debate about the origins of the Mangalsutra in puranas, but it is clearly mentioned in the Devi Bhagawatham and Lalitha Sahasranamam, that Goddess Lalitha, in all her various forms as Parvahti, Lakshmi, and Saraswati, is never without her mangalsutra. The mangalsutra is a very auspicious symbol of Hinduism which existed far before the mughals.

As for whether Sita wore a mangalsutra, people can believe what they want, but for me, if Goddess Lakshmi was never without a mangalsutra (which I strongly believe is true), I doubt Sita would be without one. But each to his own, it's not worth arguing over. 😊


@ Bold is it!?MIL ties a thread around the neck of her DIL according to their custom in India.

According to the ancient traditional Vedic wedding rituals given in Vedas there is no ritual like tying a sacred thread around the neck of the bride.There is no proper source or evidence to prove that Mangalsutra was from Mughal culture but surely it was not from the Vedic period.

Perhaps it had a symbolic meaning but not something like a physical object.
As per Soundarya Lahari, a famous book by Adi Shankara, Mangalsutra means the inseparable bond between a husband and a wife.

Ofcourse all the goddess mentioned above had an inseperable bond with their partners and thus the universe is maintained.😊

Edited by Krrrishnaaa - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
yea i think we had discussed this before also that mangalsutra was not there during ramayan days...some sacred thread was tied to groom or bride's hand during those times...

dont recollect all the details fully...
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Krrrishnaaa


@ Bold is it!?MIL ties a thread around the neck of her DIL according to their custom in India.

According to the ancient traditional Vedic wedding rituals given in Vedas there is no ritual like tying a sacred thread around the neck of the bride.There is no proper source or evidence to prove that Mangalsutra was from Mughal culture but surely it was not from the Vedic period.

Perhaps it had a symbolic meaning but not something like a physical object.
As per Soundarya Lahari, a famous book by Adi Shankara, Mangalsutra means the inseparable bond between a husband and a wife.

Ofcourse all the goddess mentioned above had an inseperable bond with their partners and thus the universe is maintained.😊



I don't know...it's difficult to say "so and so" is certainly true or not...I mean, how reliable is the so-called "evidence" we have today? We really have no evidence from the Vedic period beyond our puranas, and even those have been distorted through the ages. The historians who are trying to uncover facts also know that what they find out may not be 100% true, because the evidence of Hindu culture in the Vedic period is all but lost due to foreign invaders in India.

The point is, Mangalsutra has been a part of Indian culture since before the Mughal era, at least that much is true. Whether it was a part of the Vedic culture or not is up for debate, but I can say for sure that it's far more important to the Hindus than the veil system is. No Hindu wedding is complete without the Mangalya dharana. In fact, Lord Shiva tying the mangalsutra around Mata Parvati is described in puranas.

The Lalitha Sahasranamam is our biggest source for the mangalsutra, and it's from the Brahmanda Purana, which is one of the 18 Mahapuranas written by Lord Brahma. In it, it is written:

KAMESA BADHA MANGALYA SUTRA SOBHITA KANDHARA
(She who shines with the sacred thread in her neck tied by Lord Kameshwara)

Lord Kameshwara here refers to the male form of God (from whom the Trimurtu - Brahma, Vishnu & Shiva originate).

Lord Brahma has written that Goddess Shakti, in all her various forms, shines with the divine mangal sutra tied by her husband.

As for Valmiki Ramayan not having the mangalya dharana of Devi Sita, I have already mentioned before too that I don't believe this source is without its own distortions. It's been passed through many generations since Lord Rama's time. Who knows what is true and not true? For me, the Lalitha Sahasranamam cannot be wrong, that too when it's written by Lord Brahma himself. I strongly believe the Mangalsutra has always been a part of our culture, and for me, seeing Devi Sita without it is inauspicious. No idol of the Goddess is without a mangalsutra in temples, and I am sure the priests know more about our religion and culture than we do.
Edited by JanakiRaghunath - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
hi all


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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: arti07

ok wen u are alone in the AT all you do is spamm...the spamming queen inside me is screaming JAAG CHUKI HUN MEIN (raaj waali chudail style)😆

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welcome back..⭐️😛
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: arti07


wooh to thek hai par rantwa post k neeche siggy 😲had hai kanjoosi ki 🤣



haaye allah tune ye bhi quote kiya..i was like chalo bach gaye kisi ne dekha nahi..but tera kya karu...😆

yaar i seriously forgot i had tried it out here...dekha neil tumhara dose na milne ke wajah se hum kaise pagla gaye hain 🤣

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