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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Krishni51

@Arti thanks for putting your views along with me...😳But still I'm not convinced...may be its the problem with me😕

I prefer a much better vision of this or atleast a 20/20!
Welcome to anyone who can...
I'll wait...

If you could wait for a few hours, dear, I'll most certainly reply to all your queries. But you'll have to wait for a few hours, at least. I'm typing this while travelling, and have people talking to me. Let me reach somewhere, then I'll write a reply sooo long you'll have difficulty reading it through.😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sherlock

If you could wait for a few hours, dear, I'll most certainly reply to all your queries. But you'll have to wait for a few hours, at least. I'm typing this while travelling, and have people talking to me. Let me reach somewhere, then I'll write a reply sooo long you'll have difficulty reading it through.😆

Glad to hear this😊...ok you can do that when you're free...I'll come again after finishing my work!No matter how long it is...if I get the point I'll be happy!
Edited by Krishni51 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@ Krishni51:

We'll come to the topic at hand in a moment, but before that, a quick note on the purpose of divine play (leela) & its interpretations, and don't worry; it's not off-topic.

Start from Veds, go through entire Vedic literature, ask any number of God-realised bhakts, the question that why Shri Bhagwan manifests himself in Maayic realm, and you'll get only one answer – to help His bhakts who wish to reach him, but are yet to, in their bhakti sadhana. That involves many things – helping in Roop Dhyan, making Navdha bhakti sadhana easy, and so on. No point discussing those here, I mean, this is so satsang, for God's sake!!

But as Shri Krishna says, any action by him will be interpreted in four ways – his bhakts will interpret its divine, & therefore correct, meaning, while others, of either sattvic or rajsi or maayic intellects, will follow their intellect & interpret it accordingly. Thus, while the sole purpose of SitaRam appearing here is to provide help & bliss to their bhakts, but go and ask a person with some knowledge of Ramayan's story as to why Lord came here, & he'll probably reply, "There was an extremely powerful demon Raavan, lording over entire world, and simply invincible. To defeat him, Shri Ram appeared in Maayic realm." This is something like; say I went to Delhi to attend my cousin's engagement, and while there, I went to see North & South block. After my trip, if someone is to tell a third person, who is clueless about the purpose of my visit to Delhi, that, "you know, Abhinav recently went to Delhi and saw North & South block." Is this a correct description of the purpose of my visit? No. Correct answers would have been, "Abhinav went to Delhi to attend his cousin's engagement, and during the visit, saw North & South block," or "Being infinitely compassionate, the Supreme Lord manifests himself in front of His bhakts so that witnessing or remembering his divine play, his bhakts achieve the result of their sadhana, and while the Lord is there, He performs an infinite number of Leelas such as vanquishing Taamsic forces or setting an example as an ideal son, and so on." This is how subtle interpretations change the entire meaning of divine play.

With that understood, let's come to the main point of discussion on this thread. For the time being, let's forget about whether the incident of King sending his Queen away, took place or not, or whether or not it's mentioned in this or that version of Ramayan. Let's just assume it took place. Now, how to interpret it?

I can interpret it the way Bhakts do. I can say that SitaRam are not two, but ONE supreme personality, so it's not possible for Sita to be separated from Ram, or for Ram to send Sita away from him. I mean, no matter how hard you try, you can separate yourself from yourself! It's a divine play, and we are the audience, so let's enjoy the show! If we do need to learn something from this incident, it's just that persons who needlessly cast aspersion on another person's character, without any proof, commit a grave mistake, one which can never be rectified later on. Also, Shri Ram is telling all his bhakts for all times to come that no matter how learned and knowledgeable you are, if you will take your decisions trying to please such ignoramus persons, you'll suffer untold miseries, and will destroy your life.

I can interpret it in a Sattvic manner that the Supreme Couple, through this incident, is telling, for all times to come, all the persons occupying highest positions of power, that the yardstick for measuring their conduct & behavior will be different compared to that of commoners. Once you are in that high position of power, you cannot be worried about your or your near & dear one's well-being. The only thing that should concern you is the honour of the position you hold, and if you face a situation where you think that to uphold that honour, you'll have to destroy your family & your life, so be it.

I can interpret it in a Rajsi manner that the Supreme Couple is telling us through this example that a husband-wife relation is the backbone of human society, in the sense that a couple forms a family unit which is the most important unit of a society, & at the same time this is the most delicate relationship. Thus, to keep the prestige of this relationship sacrosanct, no sacrifice should be considered too big.

Or finally, I can interpret it in a Taamsic manner, saying that Ram had no regards for the feelings of his innocent wife, and all he was concerned about is his glory as a great king who committed a grave injustice on his innocent wife just to prove his greatness as an ideal king.

Now comes the part that concerns YOU. Members have already written so many posts on this topic in this thread, and have given so many informative insights. But none of the members, no one for that matter, can convince YOU to accept a particular view on this incident as the final one. It will depend upon YOU, and your vivek. Depending upon the kind of person you are, you'll accept a particular way of looking at this incident as the most logical. The same holds true, not just for this incident, but for each & every incident of divine play.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thank You dear member for sparing your valuable time!
I'm happy with this and feeling much better than earlier in understanding this topic!
I'll comment in detail later...but one thing I wanna ask...can't we get the absolute truth???
Why should we depend on or take any interpretation???(Sattvik,Rajasic or Tamasic)
Like for the Example you gave earlier there can be only one truth i.e the ultimate one!
Why to depend on any interpretation???
I feel its better to know the truth than interpret anything!(my opinion)
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Posted: 12 years ago
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but one thing I wanna ask...can't we get the absolute truth???
But you already know the absolute truth!! Isn't it? Right from Veds onward, everyone is shouting from rooftops on top of his/her voice that,and I'll simply quote from my previous post, "SitaRam are not two, but ONE supreme personality, so it's not possible for Sita to be separated from Ram, or for Ram to send Sita away from him. It's a divine play, and we are the audience, so let's enjoy the show!"
Yet, despite sooo many sources telling you this absolute truth, you still wish to "understand" each & every incident. What is this "trying to understand" if not an attempt to interpret the events according to your vivek so that you can find them logical? And when you'll do that, and certainly there is nothing wrong in trying to do that, you interpret the event & reach a conclusion IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR VIVEK. And therefore, different interpretations will naturally follow.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sherlock

but one thing I wanna ask...can't we get the absolute truth???

But you already know the absolute truth!! Isn't it? Right from Veds onward, everyone is shouting from rooftops on top of his/her voice that,and I'll simply quote from my previous post, "SitaRam are not two, but ONE supreme personality, so it's not possible for Sita to be separated from Ram, or for Ram to send Sita away from him. It's a divine play, and we are the audience, so let's enjoy the show!"
Yet, despite sooo many sources telling you this absolute truth, you still wish to "understand" each & every incident. What is this "trying to understand" if not an attempt to interpret the events according to your vivek so that you can find them logical? And when you'll do that, and certainly there is nothing wrong in trying to do that, you interpret the event & reach a conclusion IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR VIVEK. And therefore, different interpretations will naturally follow.

Sorry I had to leave in between!
@Red absolute...
So,you mean all the versions made on SitaRam,
Valmiki Ramayan,Ram Charit Manas,Bhavartha Ramayan,Adhyatma Ramayan,Kamba Ramayan,Jain Ramayan etc. are the varying interpretations of the absolute truth!
Though some are Satvik , some Rajasic , some Tamsic interpretations they all are of the absolute truth(directly or indirectly)!
If I'm not troubling you I want to know one thing...
They say Ramayan,Mahabharat etc. truly happened 1000s of years ago.
Definitely there will be a chronology of events that took place!
Sita and Ram if were born on earth in different bodies though one in soul then they might have lead a life though not ordinary a yogic life I should say!An event in their life can be interpreted in many ways like we did earlier!
They will definitely do their Karma(action){karma that remains ideal to the humanity}...and we interpret it in different ways but we are solely talking about the absolute truth!
If there is no Karma done then there will be no point of interpretation!
How can we make interpretations for the karma they aren't responsible for?
I mean would it be appropriate to create an event or action on our own and give the interpretation!Isn't it something like an insult to such pious dignitaries!Won't the people miss the real life incidents of such Legendary Heroes!
Edited by Krishni51 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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God, you are one inquisitive soul, Krishni51, and I love your posts. You should have been talking to a God-realised bhakt & not an ordinary person like me.😆 Now, in your last post, you have asked me so many things, and I don't know how to go about explaining all of that to you in a short post on an online forum!! What you are trying to discuss here is the material for a voluminous book, nothing less than that will explain these points clearly. Still, I'll reply to each of your queries, AND will try to explain in the shortest possible manner, but again, I'll have to request you to please be patient. Tomorrow, 100%, I'll be here again and reply to whatever question you put up, but please wait till tomorrow.

P.S. If it's not too troublesome for you, whatever you wish to ask based on the discussion till now, can you please write it down as numbered questions? That will make it easier for me; you now, read a question & start typing the answer. But I'll do that tomorrow, please wait. 😊

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Posted: 12 years ago
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@arti : thanks for explaining rama's plight as per valmiki ramayan. I had never read it anywhere before.

@ krishni : ur post about uttar khand is definitely an eye opener for me. I am atleast convinced those chapters never existed in real scripture.So, interpreting Ram and Sita or anyone based on the basis of UttarKhand looks very unfair to me. Infact, all these interpolations itself in nt fair. Any idea if we have real scripture anywhere..i mean the one written by valmiki or we have only modified versions with us now.

regarding dharma, there is one point which striked to me after reading all these posts is that we cant take ram and sita separately ..we cannot say he did injustice to queen..coz its their combined duty to work for their people. So they together tried to solve the situation by giving up their own marital life..they sacrificed together for their ppl..its a justice done by both RAM and SITA.


though i would also like to believe that chapter never happened 😳
Edited by nneeiill - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: nneeiill


@ krishni : ur post about uttar khand is definitely an eye opener for me. I am atleast convinced those chapters never existed in real scripture.So, interpreting Ram and Sita or anyone based on the basis of UttarKhand looks very unfair to me. Infact, all these interpolations itself in nt fair. Any idea if we have real scripture anywhere..i mean the one written by valmiki or we have only modified versions with us now.

regarding dharma, there is one point which striked to me after reading all these posts is that we cant take ram and sita separately ..we cannot say he did injustice to queen..coz its their combined duty to work for their people. So they together tried to solve the situation by giving up their own marital life..they sacrificed together for their ppl..its a justice done by both RAM and SITA.


though i would also like to believe that chapter never happened 😳

Actually Neilu I'm not trying to convince anyone that UK didn't happen also not agreeing with it coz I have my own reasons!
I'm just trying to put all the related info together so we can get some understanding on this subject!
Why to carry these doubts forever???Also why to have some wrong notion on this!
I want a healthy discussion so we can share our views.Its not trying to make someone believe it or not believe it!
I searched for UK for reading but again got different versions in UK😲
Ok leave all this but don't make any conclusion.Still we have to go through it properly!
Yah I agree though they possessed different physical bodies...Sita and Ram are one in soul!Embarrassed
Original version...if its there any where plz tell me I'll run to read it😆
Donno what might have happened to them in the wheel of time😕
Let it go if its not there then not there but one thing confirm as Member Sherlock and you said its "SitaRam" one in soul!😊
No point of seperation👍🏼
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Posted: 12 years ago
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dont worry..i never took it that way...u just compiled the information about uttar khand and its upto us how to take it...atleast it shows there are apprehensions about uttar khand which i was not aware of...thats the take away point..

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