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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: nneeiill

just now i finished watching the epi..me not much impressed with it to be frank...

why did they cut short lakshman -guha conversation..shuru hote hi khatam ..and no one complains about that 😕

and yaat that dream sequence looked very strange to me.. it looks like a scene from some horror movie there...😲...

why would dashrath come in sita's dream and not rama's ...i did see arti mentioning that trio came to know about the demise at the same time..that would have looked more appropriate...this was kinda weird..

and ram ji does not believe sita maa ..guess we can call it ram leela so that the others get cursed..
ram n lakshman were quite shattered..i need a more heart breaking face from ramji...the scene where he falls down on his feet was good but that 360 degree turn just before was too much..arey yaar cant emotions be conveyed without give so much pain to viewer's eyes...guess in mytho subtelty does not exist...

and ye baar baar narad ji kyu tapak rahe ..it kills the flow...i know they have to show backdrop n all..but still too many things going on...

i loved ravan's ..quite a handsome ravan 😆 but he needs to polish his dialogue delivery ...thoda odd laging ...but i love his facial expressions..
and i heard a dreadful word in precap.. "andekha adhyaay" or something...😕

i cant agree more...seriously me too hated tht they skipped famous lakshman and guha's conversation😡...man tht was so so imp...😭 hate u ph for this😡 rarely lakshman get to speak and now if they will cut his dialogues wht are we left to discuss?????/😡 and the sitaji's curse is twisted alot it happened one or two year later after the dashratha demise and bharat had informed them about dasharatha deadth...they were performing shradh not pindaan shradh is a ritual for expressing one's respectful feelings for the ancestors ... this ritual is carried out each year on the day the ancestors passed...thus it happened later not immediately after dasharath's dead and lord rama didnt belived her coz he had gone to village to collect the things needed in shradh he was suprised how sita managed to do shradh without all the requisites...and how the asncestors got satisfied he thought the ancestors arent satisfied with her offering thus he performed the shradh again ...then dashratha and his other ancestors appeared before him and said there is no need for a shradh now as we are satisfied with sita's offerings...and then sita became angry at the witnesses and cursed them...

i also didnt liked the graphics they need to improve and narad tales ahem ahem no comments on tht ...😕ravana is good but mujhe fierce nahi laging may be he is handsome thts y i m not scared of him🤪anyways waiting for meghnand

and i too heard the dreadful and deadly ANDEKHA ADHAAYA😕
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: nneeiill


true lol..and y no one is complaing lankeshwar is wearing pearls instead of gold 😆


yes y noone is complaining now ravana is wearing pearls the crown is missing and he isnt wearing black the trademak of ravana btw i loved the 1986 ravana's grand entry i loved the song they played and the shiv strotam😳
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: nneeiill

@arti: thanks for sharing lakshman geeta..wow..it is so enlightening...and they rushed it inspite of it being from ramcharitmanas...that is so unfair.😕
we really got a short scene of guha n lakshman...guess they are more into showing unknown stories and and for that they are compromising the good sequences from ramcharitmanas.


exactly they didnt showed laskshmana getting angry at kakeyi and dashratha and he spoke harsh words for them and asked him to convey his message to the king but ram stopped him and then i have already shedded lots of tears on tht nishad and lakshman conversation this is so uncool👎🏼 dunno if they will show us lakshman getting angry at bharat or not seriously now these anokha adhaya are testing my patience

@krishni :yes u r rights..that guy is guha 😳

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Dearer than Sita, dearer than Lakshmana

What would a man hold the most important and dearer than his or her own life? The answer would differ from person to person. Ask Rama. He would come up with just only one answer. 'My word.' The promise that I made; the assurance that I gave and the abhaya that I offered. And that is what he says to Sita in Aranya Kanda when the latter questions him about the wisdom of wielding the bow high in the jungle, when he had come there to lead the life of a sage. "And having heard this speech I promised complete protection to the sages living in the Dandaka forest O daughter of Janaka! And having made a promise, I dare not as long as I am alive falsify the word given to the sages. For, truth is always dear to me. I can even give up my life or you together with Lakshmana, but not my plighted word given especially to the Brhmanas." (Valmiki Ramayana, Aranya Kanda, Canto X, Sloka 18, 19)
'I may abandon Lakshmana, I may abandon you and I may abandon my very life; but not the word that I have given,' is what Rama would say. For him Truth was above all and next came Lakshmana and next came Sita. His priority number two was Lakshmana who was dearer to him than Sita herself. Thrice in the Yuddha Kanda we see Rama making this very clear in so many words and so many Slokas. The first occasion was when Lakshmana was bound by the naga-astra of Indrajit.
"What purpose of mine on earth will be accomplished through Sita, if recovered, or (even) through my life (if preserved) when I perceive my (younger half-) brother (Lakshmana) lying utterly vanquished in combat today? A consort on a part with Sita can be found in this world of mortals by me if I were to look for her. But a helpful and warlike brother like Lakshmana cannot be had." (Ibid, Yuddha Kanda, Canto XLIX, Sloka 5, 6)
Then when Lakshmana lies unconscious in the battlefield, stuck by 'sakti' of Ravana, we find Rama lamenting again. 'I would follow you to the portals of Death, even as you followed me to the forest when I started on my exile,' he wails. "Alas! Lakshmana, who always loved his kinsfolk (like me) and was ever devoted to me, has been led to this pass by the ogres, who are given to treacherous warfare. Wives may be found everywhere and kinsmen (too) can be had everywhere. I, however, see no place where a uterine (real) brother could be had." (Ibid, Canto CI, Sloka 14, 15)
There is yet another occasion where Rama makes a similar statement but it is more than sufficient now to see whom he held high. It is not that Sita was not aware of this. She was fully and completely aware of where she stood in the heart of Rama in relation to Lakshmana. She herself states this in the Sundara Kanda. We will go into that and listen to what Sita has to say of Lakshmana, before we start our discussions on this devoted, loyal, valiant, resourceful, supportive, extremely intelligent younger brother who was the very staff of life for Rama throughout the Aranya Kanda after Sita was found missing.
There is one important difference between the love that Rama had for Lakshmana and that the latter had for Rama. We will go into the question more fully.
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What is dearer than Sita?

Sita herself says, 'You don't know! Lakshmana is dearer to my husband than I am.' Women know this by instinct'
'Rama has been his father and I, his mother,' says Sita of Lakshmana in the Sundara Kanda, when Hanuman takes leave of her, taking her message back to Rama and Lakshmana. She beautifully captures the chief qualities of Lakshmana in a few words at that time.
"Inquiries concerning welfare should be addressed on my behalf and in my name to Lakshmana, that heroic and powerful (younger) brother of Sri Rama, who, having renounced garlands and all kinds of jewels'because of whom Sumitra has earned the title of a blessed mother' who behaves towards Sri Rama as towards his father and treated me as his (own) mother'who serves his elders, is glorious and energetic, yet measured in speech, who is the foremost of those beloved of that prince (Sri Rama) and a replica (in gallantry) of my father-in-law (King Dasaratha) who is ever dearer to Sri Rama (even) than I and who willingly and efficiently shoulders the responsibility with which he is saddled and on seeing whom Sri Rama (a scion of Raghu) ceases to remember his deceased father'" (Valmiki Ramayana, Sundara Kanda, Canto XXXVIII, Sloka 53-61{excerpts})
Who else can depict the qualities of Lakshmana, as also the relationship that exists between Rama, Lakshmana and her own self, than the divine mother herself! It has however to be remembered that when Sita says, 'Lakshmana is dearer to Rama than I,' she is does so without the slightest trace of jealousy that is normally associated with such statements. Here is what Rt. Hon'ble Srinivasa Sastriyar has to say on this particular point.
"Hanuman, who had seen how Rama suffered agonies by thoughts of Sita, must have thought that the man who could survive separation from Sita must be a hard-hearted person. To Hanuman whose opinions of Rama and Sita were so high, Sita herself says, 'You don't know! Lakshmana is dearer to my husband than I am.' Women know this by instinct; they can weigh love in the truest of scales ' their innate perception! I wish to ad, ladies and gentlemen that this must have been uttered by Sita without the slightest shadow of jealousy. She herself stood high in Lakshmana's affection for the sake of Rama, and when she made this assertion about the love of Rama to her, we may take it to be beyond doubt."
But the fact remains that Rama would, when it comes to choosing between Sita and Lakshmana would prefer the latter and when it comes to choosing between Lakshmana and Satya, would stick to the latter only. Truthfulness was the crme de la crme for him even more than Lakshmana, his alter ego, whom the Poet describes as 'his very own soul' that is functioning from outside his body.

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The contrasting manifestation

Both Rama and Lakshmana are made of the same substance. But that substance manifested in different forms in each'
The few padalams ' Cantos ' of Ayodhya Kanda, that follow Rama's acceptance of exile, bring out the unique qualities of both the brothers, Rama and Lakshmana. Both are made of the same substance. But that substance manifested in different forms in each. If one is the rain bearing cloud, the other is the lightning and thunder that reside in it. If one is calm, majestic, deep and controlled like a perennial river, the other moves like the same river when it assumes the form of a waterfall. If one is like the fire that resides on the wick of a lamp, the other jumps up to consume and turn large forests to ashes.
Sastriyar observes on Lakshmana: "Look at Lakshmana, what a contrast! While Rama proclaimed that Dharma was above everything, Lakshmana, when he declared his doctrine, said only, 'To me Rama sums up everything; he is all in all; I do not look behind him and beyond him. My goal is his approbation, my goal is his happiness.' Occasionally, Rama speaks of Dharma and so on, but that does not appeal to Lakshmana. 'Your good, your prosperity, sums up all that I see; if you give up the kingdom, I don't see that you are doing good, that you are doing the right thing. What is higher than you?' says Lakshmana, 'Your interest is everything; I don't put any thing higher."
Such fierce dedication to Rama! That makes him speak things, which Rama would not even imagine of uttering. When consoling Kausalya, Lakshmana says, "Nay, whosoever is a supporter of Bharata and whoever seeks to advance his interests, I shall kill them all; for he (alone) who is meek is subjected to contumely. If pleased with Kaikeyi and instigated by her, our royal father, behaves as an enemy, let him be made captive or even got rid of without (the least) attachment." I will not hesitate to chain our father and throw him in prison or even get rid of him, if it is necessary, he says. (Valmiki Ramayana, Ayodhya Kanda, Canto XXI, Sloka 10, 11)
Lakshmana would rise up in revolt, the moment he suspects that something is there that would harm the interests of Rama. That is the very essence of his character. this tiny flame quickly turns in to a blazing fire in no time!

p.s...i m totally loving the character sketch of lakshman
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Posted: 12 years ago
@Arti awesome...loved the contrasting manifestation!😳
Now time for a song...😛
Song on Adi Sesha(Lakshman) by Datta Swami
Harimeva sevase he Adishesha!

(Oh! Adishesha! You are always serving the Lord only).

Swaartham Kimapi Naastivaa pannagesha!

(Oh! King of serpents! Don't you have any single work, which is selfish?)

Deyam kimavashishtam te soumithre!

(Oh! Son of Sumithra! What is left over, which I did not give you?)

Atmaanameva Arpayaami Ahinayaka!

(Oh! Leader of serpents! Only I am left over and hence, I am dedicating Myself to you).

Apadamastakavapuriva Bhava Vasuke!

(Oh! Vasuki! From top to bottom I am in constant association with your body just like My soul is in constant association with this body. Hence, you are also like My body).

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One tale from my side...😳

DIVINE INSIGHT

(From world-revered Sant Shri Asharamji Bapu's divine discourses)

Lord Sri Ramachandraji was resting in the forest while his brother Lakshman stood guard with his bow and arrow. Seeing Lord Rama in this pitiable state, King Nishad started cursing Kaikeyi, "O Kaikeyi! It did not even occur to her! These were the golden days for our Lord, whereas now He is sleeping on the ground! The King of kings, Maharaj Dasharathnandan (the son of King Dasharath), would have been seated on the throne in the royal court. The man of perfect youth, perfect beauty, perfect knowledge, perfect love, perfect light and the perfect life, Sri Rama has been banished to this forest. How evil minded has Kaikeyi become!"

Nishad cursed Kaikeyi in this manner in front of Lakshman. He thought that Lakshman would sympathize with him and he too would curse Kaikeyi. But Lakshman was elevated far above the instinct-driven animal life. He was also slightly above human life fraught with joys and sorrows. He said to Nishadraj: "Why do you curse mother Kaikeyi?

No man is the cause of another's joy or sorrow."

Those who attribute the cause of their sorrows to others are ignorant. They have lost their good sense. Some people spent crores of rupees on carrying out malicious propaganda against Bapu. If I had said, 'These people have distressed me through their malicious propaganda. Oh! They made me sad' then I would have really become a 'Sorrow Maker'. Those slanderers continued with their malicious acts, whereas I continued to remain cheerful. As a result, the number of people attending my satsangs actually increased. Maybe that was my fate.

King Nishad says, "What happened is not good". Lakshman replies, "No man is the cause of another's happiness or sorrow. Everyone has to bear his own destiny. Everyone has their own way of thinking. It is our thoughts that make us happy or sad. Do not curse mother Kaikeyi."

Nishad then asks, "Is Sri Ramchandra suffering because of His destiny or because of the fruit of any sinful act? What do you think?"

Lakshman replies, "Sri Rama is not sorrowful. You are sorrowful. Sri Rama knows that this is destined; this is a leela (divine play). Events of joy and sorrow, profit and loss, life and death - these are nothing but mere drama, whereas I am the Eternal Essence, pervading every atom of the endless universes. It is only to enact My leela that I incarnate in human form, as Sri Rama. Sri Rama is not bearing any fruits of destiny. Sri Rama transcends the gunas (qualities), space, time and destiny. The mahapurushas (great men) do not bear the fruits of their destiny, their destiny is nullified. Moreover, destiny relates only to the body. It does not touch the Self. Fame and defamation are of the body, disease and health also affect only the body, how can these affect Me? The Self within is the knower and master of all circumstances. This is what all jnanis (Knowers of the Truth) know. Sri Rama is the crest jewel of all jnanis. Where does he experience sorrow? On the contrary, King Nishad, you seem to be creating sorrow for yourself."

Now pay attention. What is your opinion in interpreting this anecdote? Kaikeyi was deceitful, selfish, and elicited a promise from King Dasharatha in her son's favour. What she did was improper. Taking it in this sense, if you desist from doing anything inappropriate protecting your inner being from mistakes or deceit, then it is good. Another way of looking at it could be to consider that Kaikeyi had affection for Sri Rama. Through her acts she portrayed renunciation and sacrifice (of her prestige) and thus contributed in the divine mission of Sri Rama. Despite the contempt she received, despite knowing that the people will malign her, Kaikeyi acted in this manner. Remembering Kaikeyi's renunciation and affection, this way you can arouse goodwill towards her in your heart. Do not make your heart impure by cursing Kaikeyi. Also, do not make your heart deceitful thinking, 'Kaikeyi caused Sri Rama to be exiled. She did the right thing and we should also act in the same way'. Adopt the correct perspective from this story. Adopt the one that helps you fill your heart with love for the Beloved, His wisdom, His equanimity and His supreme sweetness. Such a perspective will be good and right for you.

If someone among your relatives, a sister-in-law, mother-in- law or daughter-in-law does something improper and you desist from doing that wrong in your life, you have taken the right approach. However, if you spoil your heart by blaming her thus, "She has done wrong, this niguri (a person who has not taken Diksha from a Satguru) is like this'.", then you are destroying your inner peace and your behavior will become like an animal's. If your sister-in-law or mother-in-law has a virtue of forbearance, practice it in your life and be even minded.

If you find any virtue in any person, practice it in your life and if there is any vice in any body, then protect yourself from that. By doing so, you can develop your mind. Neither should you find vices in others, nor assuming a person to be at fault, accuse him. Do not become a slave of any bad habit of others.

If you feel hatred for someone on seeing his vices, your mind will get polluted. However, on noticing the vices, if you resolve to protect yourself from them and at the same time wish him to get rid of that vice, then you are developing your mind. This world is replete with virtues and vices, good and evil. You should be glad and get inspired by the virtues of others and save yourself from the vices you notice in others. Delve into it. Realize that this warp and woof of good and evil is the driving force behind this world; In reality, God is the Essence, the Truth, Consciousness and Bliss absolute. I am seeking peace in Him.

From where the mind wanders, bring it back into the tranquility of your divine Nature, which is free from deceit, fraud and vices, and beyond the attraction for good or bad. Arouse your discrimination by asking yourself, 'Who am I?' and become calm.

Develop your intellect through self-effort in such a way that God as a whole appears to you as your own. A mother may have ten sons, but to each she completely appears as his own.

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Now its time for Doubts and Clarifications😆Why didn't the river,fire,cow and tree give witness when requested by Sita ma!😕Why they kept quite???
Moreover no ordinary individual asked so it was the divine mother herself!!😲Why they showed such reluctance???😲
Were they interested in getting cursed
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: arti07

noone is creating hungama tht ravana is not wearing mukut😭😉


No no.. ms.xyz *started* tht tandav on ravan's mukut.. 😆.. theyr happy 😕 ki sitaji called ramji swami instead of raghuveer.. 🥱

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