Sleet of Emotional Quivers on RadhaKrishn Eternal Love CC # 9 - Page 109

Can I just say I hate what they're doing to Lakshmana. I FFed trhu Dec 2 episode. This is so unfair to a poor girl who was raped. Made her the bad guy.

I got it😆

Swastik too KJo's "Pyaar Dosti Hai" and made a whole dang series out of it.

The process of deification is not simple or easy.

Specially for male figures, Its not just about building upon battle victories.

Vajra was deifying Krishna and Rukmini not out of love, but it was purely politics. Same as Janmejaya. Glorifying Krishna Rukmini Glorified him.

Sullying their image will scuttle his legitimacy

When a person is deified as God he / she cannot have any faults, cannot commit mistakes, cannot have health issues.

For a man who is deemed God, impotency even temporary is not acceptable. Similarly for woman deified as Devi chastity is extremely important.

MB, Bhagvatham and Harivansh are very clear that for first 11 years of married life at least Krishna had no children. With 2 wives and a possible third one in Gokul. That indicates impotency.

Pradyumna was indeed adopted for this reason. But acknowledging that Pradyumna was adopted or that his son had a daughter. And Satyabhama had two children very late in life etc puts a question mark on Krishna's alpha male image.

He had also rescued Narkasura's concubines.

The story of Krishna being Avatar was started when he was alive itself, but none of his enemies ever paid heed to the propaganda. He specifically named his weapons after Vishnu's weapons and made sure they looked similar. He wore yellow clothes.

Paundraka tried something similar but Krishna killed him to ensure he remains Vishnu incarnate

Vajra simply added on to the pre created propaganda.

This issue of covering up impotency (I will say impotency because having multiple wives but no children means problem is with male) takes ridiculous proportion in Bhagvatham where Krishna after 11 years meditation to Shiva gets 10 sons from 16108 wives.

So the God / Alpha male Krishna fathers 161080 sons.

Pradyumna was similarly already touted as the casanova , kama deva incarnate. Etc, but biological son of Krishna and that his mother was Rukmini. This was already done and Vajra was in no position to undo it.

Acknowledging that Pradyumna was adopted, would open a can of worms for Vajra. Not only Krishna's image as alpha male will be demolished but since there was no DNA Test then Vajra's paternity would become suspect too.

We see this problem with Sita too. You must have heard the ridiculous story of chaya sita in Ramcharitmanas.

Tulsidas makes Sita a Goddess Lakshmi, so that means other than Rama it must be impossible for any man to touch her. Ravana does touch her lift her and hold her while he kidnaps her and nothing happens to him.

So how can Sita be Goddess then. And how can Rama watch sita giving Agnipariksha. He is the best husband ever.

Hence the story of Chaya Sita, switched by Agni. Till this part its ok.

But then RMS has Uttarkanda where due to public anger Rama has to exile Sita. Tulsidas cannot undo that. But it is illogical as this particular real Sita was never kidnapped it was the Chaya Sita who was kidnapped. So now why does Real Sita have to go for exile for Chaya Sita who became unchaste.

That is the problem with deification. Once propaganda starts building in reconciling it with original story becomes impossible, and causes severe logical inconsistencies in the narrative. To cover that up even more ridiculous stories get added.

We have another similar problem with Radha and Krishna.

While extolling Krishna all texts put the age when he killed Kansa as 11.

But then the same texts, Harivansh or Bhagvatham and more descriptive Brahmavaivarta purana make the Raas between him and adult Gopikas sexual.

For a 10 year old boy with adult women sexual behavior becomes ridicluous if not downright offensive.

But the age cannot be changed now and say he was 16 or 18 in Gokul. Because that will mean he was not a boy god wonder when he killed Kansa. He was a young man.

So that was the problem Vajra faced. Once Krishna is deified, he has to have biological children, he cant have adopted Pradyumna. Which meant Vajra himself cannot be adopted even from Bhanu. Though logically that was what must have happened.

@Chili

Not having children indicates infertility. Impotence is nearly impossible to cover up in a man with that many women. Someone would've talked. Infertility is not difficult to cover up with each woman not wanting to talk out of fear of being labelled barren.

Adoption of Pradyumna was done as adult and is therefore unlikely to be done for covering up infertility. A baby would've been the obvious choice. Pradyumna deal was likely done as political sop after Kamsa vadh to assure other Yadavas that one of their own will be Krishna's heir.

Also, IIRC, Krishna's weapons had those names when they were handed upon request of Bheeshma. I find it difficult to believe Bheeshma had any interest in deifying Krishna so am of the mind that was inserted in there to please Janmejaya/Vajra. I believe the Parashuram meeting was where Krishna is told about the need for Vishnu avatar. Just as Vyasa was prepping Panchali, Parashuram was perhaps prepping Krishna.

But...

Problem with the idea that Krishna was prepping himself is that he never showed interest in getting the empire himself. Yes, I know your theories. Pradyumna was adopted as an adult and in no way raised or groomed by Krishna for daddy to want the throne for son.

In Panchali's case, her eventual position matched the avatar status whereas in Krishna's case it did not. Also, in their conversations, she has the upper hand. In fact, the only place she shows a little subservience is with Yudhishtira (apart from dice hall). It's not even subservience, more like placation to get him to do the right thing. With every other character, she basically commands them to do what comes to her mind.

So I think the deification process started after Krishna's death, and Panchali was sidelined.

I do agree Krishna was likely 16/17 when he killed Kamsa. The leela with gopis otherwise comes across abuse on the ladies' parts, not his. But there is no way a 11 yo is going to kill a warrior in hand-to-hand combat.

I don't think Krishna would have been aiming for Avtaarhood when he was alive especially during the pre Mahabharatha phase when he was surrounded by enemies. That I think would have probably been the last thing in his mind. He would have been trying to make sure that he gets some friends and allies at a time most of the others were siding Jarasandh for their personal benefits. Had Pandavas not been head on head with Kauravas even they would have chosen Jarasandh over Krishna. Avtaarhood would have meant challenging their Gods/claiming superiority over them which would have resulted in further alienation of Krishna

Pradyumna if adult adopted couldn't have passed as the biological child unless he genuinely had child (infant) who died. Even that wouldn't have been easy considering he was actually Gadukesh' son since Yadavs would have known about it and the likes of Kritvarma were obviously against his predominance.

These stories I think were started by Vajra/Vyas to seal on Krishna's Avtaarhood.

But even then that makes sense if he had to make Pradyumna a magical person he needed to retain his lineage from that side too

In every society in every age, there are two kinds of people

A. who have scientific temper, logical and rational thought process

B. who are superstitious, gullible, and stupid.

We should never assume everyone to belongs to only A or only B.

The epic is very clear that Duryodhan, Jarasandh

Shishupal etc never believed that Krishna was Avatar Or Draupadi was born of fire or Pandavas had Gods as fathers.

But there was masses of people who did believe that.

Propaganda is never done for the A category people. Propaganda is always targeted at category B

Krishna was already dressing up as Vishnu, already carrying weapon replicas of Vishnu. He had already had a battle with Paundraka on who was real Vishnu.

Krishna was claiming he was Vishnu avatar already.

Pandavas were already claiming divine fathers

Drupad was already publicising fire birth for Dhrist and Drau. She was yajnaseni.

None of this happened after their death. Krishna, Pandava spread this propaganda while alive.

Pradyumna similarly was given an image of incarnation of Kama, with miraculous adulthood story. He had a wife with him when he was brought in to Dwarka, she was made incarnation of Rati. The who shambasur story was already the noise being made for the masses.

Vajra and Janmejaya just built on that.

Formal adoption was done for Kunti, was done for Karna was done for Kripa and Kripi.

Drupad never admitted Draupadi and Dhrist was adopted. Kunti never admitted that fathers of Pandavas were mortals. Krishna never admitted Pradyumna was adopted. Shambasur story was for Pradyumna what Fire birth was for Draupadi

I agree with the part that Vyasa may have been aiming for Draupadi but Krishna was already going against him and aiming for him to be deemed Avatar. Specially amongst the masses.

This again supports my theory that Krishna and Vyasa were working on independent plans. Sometimes in sync against common enemies, independent or even at cross purpose on other times.

Because if Vyasa was aiming for Draupadi as Avatar, what was Krishna doing pretending to be one.

Yes he was not able to convince Category A people. Duryodhan never minced words in disbelieving his abilities as an Avatar. Mayavi was the term they used for him. Illusionist, fake baba

If you want to understand how easy it is to convince people even today, look at the fake babas and ma'as. Nityananda anyone....

Also agree with the term infertility being the correct one. So Krishna was infertile, not impotent.

Mor pankh of Krishna is not mentioned in MBh

I believe yellow clothes are but am not sure.

The weapons were not named by Krishna but by Varuna.

Krishna doesn't talk about the miracle stories. Bheeshma does.

Even in Gita, Krishna tells Arjuna if he follows same principles, he can also find the God within.

Yes, Draupadi's deification attempt started within her lifetime, but Krishna's didn't.

That actually is supported by historians as well.

For another, deification had to have purpose. Kunti had an aim. Vyasa had an aim with Panchali. She would've been empress. During Krishna's lifetime, it would've achieved no purpose since he'd never carry official clout. In fact, his work would've achieved Vyasa's purpose by making Panchali the empress. The Vishnu avatar on the throne.

As for Krishna and Vyasa being at cross purposes... for one, see above about Krishna's work. For another, the theory hangs on the single assumption Krishna wanted Pradyumna to be emperor. A man he adopted as adult for bringing peace among yadavas because Krishna couldn't want Yudhishtira as emperor. I dislike Yudhishtira as well, but prior to dice hall, there was nothing to suggest he'd be a bad one. And Krishna had plenty of influence in Indraprastha without the convoluted games.

I have ome doubt.

We are living in a society how much ever we are broad or narrow minded ppl living..Living with your lover when your wife il, kids , etc are there acceptable kya.Even this rk is not into reality..just want to ask all..how rk expecting all his wife , children will accept Radha..

Jambavathi was mentioned only in Bhagvat purana I think..Above keep ringing and this is story fine..but in reality in rk life.....this many happened no traces..Samba curse from promo in youtube I saw I was wondering didn't it is like due to krishna wife he got curse..

Originally posted by: Sweetypie34

I have ome doubt.

We are living in a society how much ever we are broad or narrow minded ppl living..Living with your lover when your wife il, kids , etc are there acceptable kya.Even this rk is not into reality..just want to ask all..how rk expecting all his wife , children will accept Radha..

Jambavathi was mentioned only in Bhagvat purana I think..Above keep ringing and this is story fine..but in reality in rk life.....this many happened no traces..Samba curse from promo in youtube I saw I was wondering didn't it is like due to krishna wife he got curse..

@Bold. Exactly! Samba is a villain here, but he has a darned point! Why is Radha interfering in household matters? Actually, why is she around?

And yes, Samba got cursed because he slept with Krishna's wives as per texts. I guess they don't want to show that.

The worst is what they're doing to poor Lakshmana. Physically raped in life, character raped in story.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

@Bold. Exactly! Samba is a villain here, but he has a darned point! Why is Radha interfering in household matters? Actually, why is she around?

And yes, Samba got cursed because he slept with Krishna's wives as per texts. I guess they don't want to show that.

The worst is what they're doing to poor Lakshmana. Physically raped in life, character raped in story.

Any wife , son , daughter will not tolerate this

I agree on without trust , love marriage never successful.If that's case why krishna married this many wife..

Radha is getting scolded for each sequence as though she is only culprit ..non sense.

Dunno what's left..that director has tweeted lot more to show in Ananth prem..feel like ditching in wall