Truths from long ago... 5.2.2015 - Page 2

Originally posted by: minnie2308

my question to all who seem to be lashing out at a safe enemy Sanam2---

What's made Aahil continue this marriage?

What made him supposedly give her the rights over another woman- in this case our Sanam?

Do we have love marriages only in India?

I'll answer this one- Rarely !

most of the time husband wife get married with their parents' chosen partner and do get intimate on the first night itself! Is that disrespectful? does it make the wife one of those with whom her husband slept? Does it make that wife a loser?

Sanam2 had almost resigned to her fate- she was brought up to this level by Aahil himself!

Did he not declare Sanam a servant and in the same breath call Sanam2 an actual wife? Has he categorically dismissed that claim?

Yes Sanam2 knows about the whole stuff. But isn't it Aahil's moral responsibility to clear her status. Hasn't he said many different kind of things to Sanam2?

Besides why is she a loser for wanting attention from her own husband? yes she is trying mean tricks. But my experience with polygamy is limited to JA. the wives try everything to get the husband😆. I think it is ok to do that in polygamy. Any different takes?

So he lashes out only at Sanam2 for calling her a servant, even though Sanam continues to live like a servant in the servant quarter, doing menial chores, running errands...! How is that fair? Why does he not lash out at everyone who disrespects Sanam?

Is he right to compare 2 Sanams. Does he even know Sanam2 to say that Sanam1 is better?Does he know that Sanam2 once saved her life?

Does he know that Sanam2 is privy to a few of Sanam's secret that could be incriminating and can be used against Sahil relationship?

Anyhow, I appreciate that you are justice loving enough to not call Sanam2 outrightly wrong while giving a clean chit to Aahil.

IMO In cheapness parameter, Aahil is the cheapest, then Sanam1 and then Sanam2.

In fact Sanam is partly responsible along with Aahil in creation of this monster.

about Aahil ... sighs only if he could have done what he shoudl actually be doing... "phir rona kis baat ka tha "

Originally posted by: sageflower7

Hi everyone...

We'd like to think that Sanam is playing fair and she is there to try and solve the problem by helping to reveal the truth to Aahil in stages and without him disbelieving her...

But the actual situation is so unfair to both women. Sanam appeared to be willing to share her husband after S2 helped them from being poisoned to death.

But she wasn't being fair. it appeared like each wife was playing nice but separately trying to secure Aahil for themselves monogamously...

Both are not willing to share , which is why this polygamy situation won't work. Because Aahil loved Sanam, as his anger wore off, they appeared to become closer.

And Sanam is obviously very capable of handling Aahil and his problems. Something S2 hasn't been allowed to, because all her advances have been thwarted by Aahil.

Now when the scales appeared to tilt in favour of Sanam, Sanam2 resorted to magic and fake consummation to gain upper hand.

Unfortunately both Aahil and Sanam chose to ignore this upperhand she had obtained, making her have to keep shoving it in their faces to remind them. If she had offered to help Aahil in his plight instead of creating more problems for him, he may have seen her in a nicer light.

Both wives don't want to share, both want the other gone, and they are waiting for Aahil to choose. And he doesn't want to decide (and that makes me angry because he isn't fair to both)

Things have got so complicated that I worry Aahil will have a tough time deciding. The girl Ammi endorses or the girl he wants. But, if Ammi truth is exposed then the choice is obvious. Because Sanam has been wronged so badly.

Of course Sanam2 has been wronged too but her culprit is Tanveer.

I personally don't like polygamy, because it is rarely fair to the women involved. SaHil are losing the magic between them.

All it takes is to show Aahil being thankful and Sanam maintaining a distance until the mess of their married lives a re sorted. The angst is missing.

Sanam doesn't appear hurt that he "slept" with Sanam2. That fake SR has been handled so badly. Even if Aahil wants to put aside all this until his father's murder culprit is caught, some angst is still needed.

A tug of war is going on with Sanam and Sanam2 pulling Aahil to their side.

Forget Aahil.. I only love you⭐️ See Aahil did not need to immediately ask Sanam2 to join him in his bedroom. He could have asked her to stay put in the guest bedroom until he is able to sort out the mess. He is basically penalizing Sanam2 for his immaturity and the mistrust Sanam has on his decision making power.

Sage,

I LOVE YOU 👏

Originally posted by: micshy[/QUOTE

i agree Aahil is at fault cz he was the one who actually strted all this by insulting Sanam and announcing Sanam2 infront of all as his wife, agreed

but regarding to ur point of the norm about getting intimate on the first night itself in an arranged marriage... see thats a different case, in arranged marriages partner may be not of ur choice but u do actually know whom u r getting married to , and even if u dont know much about the person u do actually ahve some idea, unlike here where he got to his room thinking that he has married the love of his life nd found a total stranger in his room... so if in any of the arranged/love marriages such a situation happen, how many males would end up sleeping with the woman. on the first night????

i agree both Aahil and Sanam have been at fault regarding Sanam 2's place, but wasnt it PATHETIC AND CHEAP of Sanam 2 to force herself upon this man when hes not showing any inetrest ... she knows,,,,,, he is not a bit interested in her, yet she staged a whole fake SR... for me it was cheap ... if i was in her place, no matter how attarcted i was to this guy i would never have fprced myself on anybody like this till the other person is willing...

in this case she had the guts to not only stage a fake SR but also is boasting about it time and again to every person. her intention is to instigate or make Sanam jealous.. n i find her totally wrong ...

about Aahil ... sighs only if he could have done what he shoudl actually be doing... "phir rona kis baat ka tha "

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Michy, I absolutely agree that Sanam2 is being very cheap by throwing that fake SR at Sanam, and even more cheap for doing that while both Ahil and Sanam is there...but IMO Seher is even cheaper in jumping in and taunting Sanam2 about such an intimate discussion about her sister and jija time and time again...

Also it's not that I don't see Sanam2 for what she is,... even with the black magic thrown in, ...considering what she is capable of she is just doing the bare minimum required to secure her future with Ahil, just like Seher did,... not too long ago...(obviously Sanam2 can do some really BAD stuff to Sanam and her family but she is not doing any such thing, not saying she won't, but for now that is how it is)

My main issue here is that cvs in their quest to show Sanam2 negative, they are forgetting to deal with Sahil properly once again...unlike the swap time, this time both Sanam and Ahil are responsible for the situation with Sanam2 and continuing to not deal with this is further compromising both Ahil and Sanam's characters.
And the swap truth is holding back so much from this story specially with regards to Sanam2 and making a decision about her one way or the other...and the fact that there is ABSOLUTELY no reason left now to still keep Ahil in the dark, reflects very badly on Sanam now...
Even Rehan and Seher are talking about leaving, without even talking about what is going on in IM and revenge...which shows that even THEIR priority is not REVENGE at all...it has only become Sanam's priority as things are now...

Also its not that I am supporting Sanam2's behavior at all...but for me she is not the reason that Sahil is going through what ever they are... right now...it's their own fault and Sehan's fault, but pretty much everyone in very conveniently blaming Sanam2 for her actions while forgetting the REAL issue here...

Originally posted by: SheAish

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Michy, I absolutely agree that Sanam2 is being very cheap by throwing that fake SR at Sanam, and even more cheap for doing that while both Ahil and Sanam is there...but IMO Seher is even cheaper in jumping in and taunting Sanam2 about such an intimate discussion about her sister and jija time and time again...

Also it's not that I don't see Sanam2 for what she is,... even with the black magic thrown in, ...considering what she is capable of she is just doing the bare minimum required to secure her future with Ahil, just like Seher did,... not too long ago...(obviously Sanam2 can do some really BAD stuff to Sanam and her family but she is not doing any such thing, not saying she won't, but for now that is how it is)

My main issue here is that cvs in their quest to show Sanam2 negative, they are forgetting to deal with Sahil properly once again...unlike the swap time, this time both Sanam and Ahil are responsible for the situation with Sanam2 and continuing to not deal with this is further compromising both Ahil and Sanam's characters.
And the swap truth is holding back so much from this story specially with regards to Sanam2 and making a decision about her one way or the other...and the fact that there is ABSOLUTELY no reason left now to still keep Ahil in the dark, reflects very badly on Sanam now...
Even Rehan and Seher are talking about leaving, without even talking about what is going on in IM and revenge...which shows that even THEIR priority is not REVENGE at all...it has only become Sanam's priority as things are now...

Also its not that I am supporting Sanam2's behavior at all...but for me she is not the reason that Sahil is going through what ever they are... right now...it's their own fault and Sehan's fault, but pretty much everyone in very conveniently blaming Sanam2 for her actions while forgetting the REAL issue here...

I believe Sanam2 was willing to accept a polygamous situation. If not, she wouldn't have been in support of Aahil-Sanam working things out initially. She turned only when she saw the ultimate reality that there would be no place for her, and she is just a temporary place holder till the time SaHil get back together.

Originally posted by: KhatamKahani

I believe Sanam2 was willing to accept a polygamous situation. If not, she wouldn't have been in support of Aahil-Sanam working things out initially. She turned only when she saw the ultimate reality that there would be no place for her, and she is just a temporary place holder till the time SaHil get back together.

It wasn't fair to her. If Sanam didn't want to give Sanam2 any rights, she should have done the one thing to get her marriage and relationship back on track. Instead, as she told Sanam2, it would take time and and more work to get her relationship back. But not really, Sanam chose that particular path.

And during the "long time" it would take to repair SaHil, Sanam2 is still in the bedroom with Aahil each night. Similar to Sanam's days of marriage before she too fell in love with Aahil. No sharing bed, but so what? If she's spending nights with Aahil why is not understandable that she may feel something for him as a wife? (Sanam2 is right. She's most likely seen the pain given to Aahil each night. Sanam hasn't really done anything to fix that--regarding SaHil relationship, I mean.)

During this "long time" Sanam2 would be expected and told to do romantic rituals, wifely appearances, etc. And during this time she's used as a ping pong. Tanveer tells her to do this and that on one side; and when she goes to do it, on the other side are Sanam and Aahil, who really have no plans on accepting her but have no problems in continuing to keep the current situation going.

AG did a good job in that scene with Khala, where she finally succumbed and called out for Latif to bring limes, plunging back into black magic.

She wasn't pretending to be demure or meek. Her boldness and confidence now is due to her taking up black magic again. The profile fits. Many times it's the ones who are otherwise cower and have not much strength and confidence in themselves who take up dark practices which give them a sense of belonging, confidence, power and strength.

And she could've played Sanam pretending to be on her side while plotting behind the scenes. But she rather quickly declared battle lines. After her turn, there was the egg incident, but then she outright claimed her 'territory' to Sanam outside his room.

But yes, agree all three have become cheap now. Four, including Seher.

@micshy, agreed with your last post completely. Except for the"shut up" part. I haven't watched the episode yet. I agree Sanam2 deserves it due to her stupidity and cheapness of bringing that up and harping on it. Still, I don't like it that the situation has been made where we are supposed to root for or be okay with a man talking like that to a woman who is living and acknowledged as his wife.

^^ Michy, I think it is quite agreed by ALL of us that Sanam2 is being cheap and pathetic by bringing up that fake SR specially by making it sound like as if Ahil took 'advantage' of her...and so far Sanam has been quite dignified in the way she had dealt with this claim by Sanam2...(after having seen yesterday's episode I realize this)

In yesterdays episode, after being taunted by Sanam2 about being a "real" wife once gain, I think the way Sanam said that "if sleeping with the husband is the reason one becomes an actual wife" then she has already done it many times...
It was an awesome comeback. Just like our Sanam in her best privious avatar would have done it. 👏
Thus unlike the precap where the dialogue seemed more of a cheap variety, the actual scene where she says it is done nicely...though I am just hating this 'sleeping with husband' duologue between the 2 Sanams...Cvs should stop with this now and come up with something else to harp on between the two.

However I would still say that the way that Seher talked about Ahils' past conquests and equaling Sanam2 with them, was very cheap. She has no business in taunting Sanam2 about that...that whole diologue by Seher was just 🤢
They keep throwing in Seher to situations that is inappropriate for her when there is really no need for it at all.

Which brings me to my main point...we are mad at Sanam2 for being in between Sahil and as she seems like a safe enough target to vent ALL our frustrations with regards to Sahil, we have become OVERLY critical while IGNORING other reasons that are more relevant to make Sahil story go forward...
Just like the cvs,...we have also buried the swap truth. See now nobody talks about it and if the cvs do visit the forum they would also get the message loud and clear that the forum is buying their diversion to keep hiding the swap truth quite well...

Nobody even mentioned about sehan plans to leave IM just like that...and that too after giving so much importance to finding Tanveer truth by Seher and SSR...and also completely ignoring the need for Ahil to know about the twin truth...Sanam even asked Rehan to take Seher with him!...None of us picked on things like this...things that have so much more relevance to Sahil separation...

But majority of us keep focus on Sanam2 because we all know that less than a handful of us would jump in when things get out of hand in criticizing her...Just like Tanveer can be safely blamed for all things unsavory in Q2, Sanam2 can be safely blamed for all our frustrations with Sahil.

I admit that I can't stand Seher; and I am indifferent to Sanam2 like you; and Ahil is still my favourite character in Q2; I had great respect for Sanam (though I'm so very dissapointed with my Sanam and Ahil most of the time now 😭)...But I have always criticized even my most favourite characters just like the others that I hate or is indifferent to when I see them deserving...

Edit: btw Michy I am not talking about you specifically here, actual;ly U are one of the few who have touched upon the issues I mentioned! Please take my comment as referring generally to the forum as a whole.