Woe, thy name is Sanam... 20.12.2014 - Page 2

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pookhi

Brilliant post. ;)

Agree with you.

Also, I think it's Sanam.


Sanam knows she was set up to fail by Tanveer. So she did this to foil the plan, but the counter attack is what interests me.

Will the crowd think badly of the Nawab's family for mistreating their Bahu maybe. Embarrass Tanveer in front of her "dignified " guests, and what a horrible Saas she is...

Those grumbling women complaining about the gushing fans of Raseelibai will probably stir up something. ..

I hope the creatives don't make it Sunehri. Please.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sylvia99

@sage.

True whatever you said. I hate nobody is thinking about this validity of marriage.
Really don't want Sanam to dance. It should be stopped before it starts. And really I want to Sanam to show a brave face in front of Aahil that she does not care what he wants to show. She should not show her sorry face instead
be sarcastic about the torture. She has different goal now and she should concentrate on that.
The sorry face is encouraging Aahil to torture more, so she has the weapon to stop that.
Yes, a big change should come after this drama and the change should be from Sanam's side then only everything would be in a proper place.
My wish is to see a changed and confident Avatar of Sanam but at the same time it reminds me about cvs.

This indeed is the underlying makings of a classic abuser. once you stop showing that they are able to hurt you, they stop trying to hurt you.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I think most of the peeps think that if the husband don't physically hurt the wife then it's not abuse, but not all abusive husbands resort to extreme physical harm, because abuse is of varying degrees...There is NO question that Ahil is currently being an abusive husband. He is very calculatingly putting emotional and mental torture on Sanam and quite frankly measuring her every reaction to see HOW effective he is being...
I don't care about his so called love, if it is then it is a very destructive, dark kind of love just like what viraj had for his wife...

And the funny thing is he didn't even let her explain, and that bothers me big time with regards to their future relationship...What guarantee is there that every single time something like this happens Ahil is not going to turn abusive once again???? Because quite frankly life happens and many things could go wrong in someones life that appears like a betrayal but if he is going to be judge and jury like this without a hearing what is the point of this relationship...

Quite frankly Sanam should stop being the victim and just concentrate on putting Tanveer behind bars or something, and then run as far from Ahil as she can...infact even now she should just ignore Ahil and his antics...let him stew as much as he wants...I've been married for 17 yrs, but believe me I wouldn't even think twice staying in this kind of relationship even after all these years if it does turn like that.

I don't think as things are even Sanam2 is deserving of Ahil...He really does need some kind of help to get out of this destructive behaviour...

And you are so right about Rehan,...I also hated that Sanam has lost so much self respect that she was lapping up the pity doled up by Rehan...couldn't digest seeing that for our firebrand Sanam...
But I would still like Ahil witnessing bonding between Sanam and Rehan because that would hurt him and right now I'll welcome any thing as long as it gets the jerk some comeuppance how ever little it may be...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Ahil is a cheap guy who thinks dat his reputation depends on a cheap mujra dancer. He told his iwfe Sanam to get her n be always by her side. Wat if suthn happened to Sanam wen she went to get dat dance? It was possible dat if dat dancer lived in a brothel or even a special place for call girls or even a place where bar dancers live n if Sanam wud went to fetch dat dancer 4m one of these then she cud hv been molested by male cheap goons who r seen in brothels n bar n Sanam wud hv even been kidnapped by d head of d bar dancer or mujra dancers? Wat if someone raped her? Ahil can be jailed for wat he is doing wid Sanam. He n his family r emotionally abusing Sanam. I want Sanam to live. Ahil don't deserve any girl be it Nida, Sanam or Sanam2. Ahil thinks himself of reputation n brings mujra dancers to entertain d guests n the men pass comments on those dancers while women gets angry. Ahil does not respects women. He thinks d earth revolves around himself.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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SheAish, no matter how poor a woman. she does not deserve this behaviour.
And yes, no woman must stay in this kind of relationship. Aahil behaved like an arrogant rich lad surprised and annoyed by a fiesty girl who had loads of spirit and physical and mental strength to match. he fell for her. I liked that.
they got married and slowly fell in love I liked that too. then she was swapped and started behaving oddly, but Aahil in his mind never questioned or doubted because he conjured up in his mind a reason for her cold shoulder. isn't that odd?
he never once tried any sensible tactic to find out the reasons of attacks on her, his mom, etc... it's odd behaviour.
now she goes missing and without doing a thorough investigation he conjures up in his mind some khichdi.
I have not watched that Viraj serial, but a few tit bits tell me that Viraj was an open abuser. Aahil is a closet one. I bet he does not think himself like that but he is. Mostly kids who are abused in young age grow up to be abusers themselves... unless they want to break the cycle themselves.
Aahil overdoes everything, ... with Seher he was saccharine sweet that I could have developed diabetes, now when Sanam is back he is overtly zealous with torturing.
No person can have a happy wholesome life with this guy for long.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I have not seen the episode coz I had a very busy day. Dinner party at my house for my overseas guests. Now after reading these posts, I dont even know if I want to watch it?


I HATE this Polygamy track and I think it is disgusting. I also hate the fact that Sanam 2 who is essentially a wife from a "Con Nikah" is being given official status beside Aahil in front of the whole of Bhopal! I mean WHY did they mess with SAHIL like this? Everyone knows who Sanam is! She has been seen by many, media included and is known as Aahil's wife. Now to have some random women introduced as the Chote Begum just makes everyone speculate and it looks ridiculous! WHY should Sanam accept Sanam 2 as her Sauten? I thought in Islam the first wife has to consent to a second marriage? (But then Dilshaad didnt know Rashid married again, and Razia didnt know Gaffur married Tanveer, till she came to their house in a Doli!). Either ways this is utter BS! This was not supposed to be the outcome of the kidnapping track. It was supposed to be for Seher to know her past and for Sanam and Seher to finally meet. This was so they can revenge themselves on Tanveer! I was up for a SAHIL MU. But not for Aahil to have another WIFE!



Also, Sanam needs to show she dosen't care, and maybe the reverse psychology will have the desired effect! Aahil needs to check himself. He is really on a slippery slope now! But knowing 4 Lions and their track record when it comes to humiliating FL's in their story at the hands of their ML's, I really have SCANT hope! Gul Khan, PLEASE come out of your regressive haze. You still think torturing the "Mahan Bahu" is the way to get TRP? Your really backward!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: JShukla

SheAish, no matter how poor a woman. she does not deserve this behaviour.

And yes, no woman must stay in this kind of relationship. Aahil behaved like an arrogant rich lad surprised and annoyed by a fiesty girl who had loads of spirit and physical and mental strength to match. he fell for her. I liked that.
they got married and slowly fell in love I liked that too. then she was swapped and started behaving oddly, but Aahil in his mind never questioned or doubted because he conjured up in his mind a reason for her cold shoulder. isn't that odd?
he never once tried any sensible tactic to find out the reasons of attacks on her, his mom, etc... it's odd behaviour.
now she goes missing and without doing a thorough investigation he conjures up in his mind some khichdi.
I have not watched that Viraj serial, but a few tit bits tell me that Viraj was an open abuser. Aahil is a closet one. I bet he does not think himself like that but he is. Mostly kids who are abused in young age grow up to be abusers themselves... unless they want to break the cycle themselves.
Aahil overdoes everything, ... with Seher he was saccharine sweet that I could have developed diabetes, now when Sanam is back he is overtly zealous with torturing.
No person can have a happy wholesome life with this guy for long.


closet abuser means?


I many times told earlier dat Ahil is better than Asad in many ways. Many initial Ahil hater started loving Ahil during Aaj Phir Tumse sequence. I am sorry to say but now I can never like Ahil. I will want to slap Sanam if she forgives Ahil. Sanam is acting like an idiotic sati savitri.


Yes, Seher has done wrong. Very wrong. But not much wrong than Ahil. Seher tried to tell Ahil d truth but wat if she tells abt d truth? Wat will Ahil think of dis? How will Seher explain deeply? Tanveer will easily twist dat both sisters played from d beginning. Then SaSe will not be able to take their revenge. I now don't want Sanam to forgive Ahil. AsYa wud hv never want their daughter to marry such jerk who thinks dat his reputation depends on a mujra dancer. I will once again say. Seher did a lots of mistakes n she is partially responsible for Sanam's condition.


But Seher is just a reason. Kam se kam Seher k vajah se Ahil ka asli chehra saamna aa gaya ki how low he can stoop to hurt someone. Its like he is whining like a kid whose favourite toy or chocolate is already sold in d market. Wat if Seher not there? Wud Ahil never behaved wid Sanam in dis way if some problems happened at any point of time in their marriage? Its very much possible dat Tanveer wud hv created a lot of problems to separate SaHil. Dat bitch drugged n molested Asad n made everyone believe dat they had sex. She cud hv even done sumthn like dat wid Sanam wid other man. Then wud Ahil trusted her? Anything wud hv happened if Seher was not even there. Ahil was a jerk, is a jerk n will always be a jerk. Sanam wud leave Ahil if she has self-respect.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: SheAish

Sage, I know most of the guys are talking about the angsty Ahil, but I really did not see much of that in yesterday's episode...
It really broke my heart that he was so comfortably sleeping after totally humiliating her in front of the family and servants...And then upon waking up the way he was once again torturing Sanam was so detached and calculating he came off as an abusive husband...yeah he is not psycho like Faiz, but he IS being abusive...and that too towards some one he is supposed to be so much in love with...
Ahil barely showed any conflicted feelings during their interaction and then during the party just like you I didn't know if he was worried about Sanam or the so called izzat being lost due to some courtesean being absent...

Agreed.
There is a mean vindictiveness about his demeanour.
He knows she's back with a reason, but he can't get past his hurt pride to find out what happened.

If he asks, what will she tell him? That she was kidnapped by Razia Bi?
And an impersonator was here tricked into deceiving him, that turns out to be her twin?
After finding out which, comes to save her?

I don't think in Aahil's state of fury, he will listen to anything.
He needs to see proof

Both Tanveer and Sanam are fighting for who has more influence over Aahil.
Each in trying to make Aahil kick one of them out.

I'm hoping in between, his brain cells start kicking into function and he figures out stuff himself... (of course that WON'T happen..)

Frankly he is like the classic abusive husband now and if the cvs want to show the agnst they better step up because what I see is the famed viraj in the making...not Ahil...

As for Sunehri, Sage I think its high time that you accept that the cvs will not show her feeling even the tiniest bit of remorse, because the absolute worst has already passed right infront of her eyes and she was busy blaming others!

I was hoping she would reach out to Rehan somehow, and explain that they are actually twins. He's the only guy they can trust in that house right now. He knows his mother is up to no good and this is ALL her doing... There's no reason for Sunehri not to reveal herself to Rehan now.

But yes, it looks like she has been given a clean slate. Pity. She could have had a track of her own, where her character would be more interesting; making up for past deeds, fighting for her sister. Sunehri's constant comments about Sanam's lack of courage REALLY pisses me off.

And that dancer better be Sanam because if that is Sunehri then she has NO SHAME at all in appearing like that before Ahil in the guise of Sanam now that she knows he is her BIL...

That dancer being Sunehri will actually take a lot of the dramatic value away from the scene. Sanam is fighting for her place as Aahil's wife.

(As stupid as it sounds) He said she must bring Raseelibai or he'll never forgive her...
So Nawab Aahil's promise to entertain his guests with a scantily clad woman must be fulfilled...
EVen at the cost of his wife's humiliation...

I want Sanam to be SO angry after this, that SHE won't give Aahil a single look.

Gosh Creatives ! Is it SO HARD to keep your female lead STRONG !!
Everyone has been baying for Ms. Dhabewali Firebrand to come back !!

Fine, right now she's hurting so badly, because Aahil is breaking her heart.
But she must get angry already !!

Actually last night I was pretty sure that was Sunehri, but after having watched it again, I'm also thinking, more likely that IS Sanam...

It won't be as effective if it was Sunehri.
This is Sanam vs Tanveer...

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Originally posted by: JShukla

You bet SheAish, some people were actually waiting for Sanam to be humiliated like this in front of family and servants. And besides, with this kind of blow hot and cold man, a woman can never...ever be happy. Aahil's place is in mental asylum. The beatings have got to him. For me there is hardly any difference between Faiz and Aahil. Both are psychos of varying degrees and have different motivation factor.

I mentioned this to Prags😆😉 and as usual she was quick to point out that Faiz is claiming what's not his and Aahil is torturing and not claiming what's his. But the underlying feeling is the same- deny your victim what she wants the most.
Faiz knows Haya wants to be with Rahat- deny her that. load it up with torture and silly skimpy western clothes.
Aahil knows Sanam is NOT a traitor and is self-respecting.- deny her self respect. load it up with humiliation coupled with sending her off to a courtesan's place(what if its a red light area and un safe??) Aahil's scehems are very calculative and well thought out. What is it that he wants from Sanam? For her to commit suicide after not being able to handle this mental torture? For her to develop some kind of mental disorder and land up in a pagal khana? Why is he so smug about his loaded with money status?
I wonder what I am to watch such kind of psycho stuff even though I dont enjoy it. ??😲🤢 I was waiting for Sanam to get loads of TLC from Aahil for having gone through that hell with the goons, but what happened? Even her sister and grandmom didn't ask her even once- Are you ok? I am sorry you had to go through so much and I could not be there for you.

When they write this much torture for a character, One would think that it is to drive her to a metaphorical corner, so she would be forced to strike back and gain her victory, right?

All I can see is SaHil coming to the point of divorce.

yesterday, in a mean streak, I actually wanted to see Sanam walk up to Aahil and say "Release me from this marriage, sign these divorce papers, I don't wish to look upon your face or your family's any longer. Keep your sad life and money, I'm leaving"

But of course that won't happen, after seeing her husband cosily sleeping in bed tucked in by his new wife, she says "Main mere mohabbat ko poora yakeen hai...!"

*facepalm*

SaHil is ruined. The bond that seemed so strong, has been burned to crisp by Aahil and Tanveer , and Sunehri to some extent. After all that struggle since Kohinoor, she comes back to this.

WHy hasn't Sanam got PTSD or something?
Dilshad , I am sure you people have reasosn for loving. But frankly I quite disliked her character from begining of QH2. She'd send Sanam off to earn and make a living, she made the girls take an oath of revenge even at the cost of their lives? Didn't she have one bit of concern for her girls? Which grandmom would do that?
They have ruined Dilshaad's character J, in QH1 she was a very proud single mom who worked hard to raise her kids alone when her husband left her and married another. Very strong willed and loving too. She was completely rendered lame post leap. QH1 fans have lamented this til they were blue in the face.

And no ...Rehan's entry did not help me. It just piles on to Sanam's plight. His eyes had so much of pity for Sanam...I did not like it one bit.

On the contrary J, I feel hopeful about Rehan. He is the only one who has sway with Tanveer. If Sunehri and him team up to help Sanam things will look up. Tanveer will flip like a madwoman if Rehan took a side opposite to hers.
Sage- Seher will never feel sorry for anything.
It is starting to look that way...😕


The more I watch the episode, the angrier I feel for Sanam.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: angel_juhi04

Ahil is a cheap guy who thinks dat his reputation depends on a cheap mujra dancer. He told his iwfe Sanam to get her n be always by her side. Wat if suthn happened to Sanam wen she went to get dat dance? It was possible dat if dat dancer lived in a brothel or even a special place for call girls or even a place where bar dancers live n if Sanam wud went to fetch dat dancer 4m one of these then she cud hv been molested by male cheap goons who r seen in brothels n bar n Sanam wud hv even been kidnapped by d head of d bar dancer or mujra dancers? Wat if someone raped her? Ahil can be jailed for wat he is doing wid Sanam. He n his family r emotionally abusing Sanam. I want Sanam to live. Ahil don't deserve any girl be it Nida, Sanam or Sanam2. Ahil thinks himself of reputation n brings mujra dancers to entertain d guests n the men pass comments on those dancers while women gets angry. Ahil does not respects women. He thinks d earth revolves around himself.


I never understood the importance of that dancer's presence. She didn't come, SO WHAT??

REHAN had to tell him that he SHOULD be worried about Sanam being delayed at bringing Raseelibai. The heights of ridiculousness.

He has no idea how to love a woman.

His ex-gf said, I never thought Aahil could be a husband type. If he can be a husband, then anybody can be anything!

Sanam should have ran then.

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