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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: KaanKeNiche

Nice post SheAish. Excellent analysis. 😆

See, I would have had no qualms about the storyline and with Gul Khan if she had shown both twins from the very first epi itself. If she had planned on this season being mainly about revenge and/or avenging the first season's main protagonists deaths, she should have established that from the very first episode. Season 2 was always promoted as a love story, at least at the start. She had created a fresh and beautiful new love story, that had managed to rope in viewers. People had the least expectations from this season and it's lead pair. But it worked. So did the lead pair. She also hired a brilliant actor Karanvir Bohra, used him to revive the show and now has reduced his role to a mere cameo. He is the lead, just for namesake.

SaHil got her show the ratings and up in the Top 5 shows across Indian Television. Then the alarm bell rang in her head that wow I must have roped in all the phans now who will stick to the show cause of their mad love for the lead couple. This is my green signal to show the original badlaaa story that I have planned. Brings in Seher. Gives her a love track that more than 90% of the audience couldn't connect with, coupled with another parallel track of her favourite Halala, that occurred due to one of her side actors wanting to quit. As always, she was way too accommodating and changed the damn storyline. Audience were left pulling out their hair as nothing else made sense in the show besides SaHiil. As a result, ratings of this show dropped.

And now she switched the twins. Shipped one of them off to Mars. While the other twin is gonna be arm twisting/abusing the vamp and we are gonna be subjected to some cat and mouse games between them. Mirror image of season 1? Not exactly. Zoya-Tanveer cat and mouse games were pretty cringeworthy to watch and I'm sure this will be too.

Season 1 fans are pretty happy with it though cause finally their most loved Billi is getting a dose of her own medicine. Sure, if this sort of lame shenanigans is what you enjoy watching then by all means, enjoy. 😃 Personally, not a fan of abuse to anyone in any shape or form, even if it is for Billi. Physical abuse ain't enough to show her her place anyway. She needs some mental torture for sure. 😆

Haha, good point about the logic about Aahil not sensing Sanam gone. True that. We are justifying that it is not logical for Aahil not to sense Sanam is gone, while at the same time all this illogical crap is going on simultaneously. This show was never big on logic anyway. 😛

Gul should get this fast. She only killed AsYa and started a new season with brand new characters only because Asad and Zoya no longer interested people. Ratings weren't exactly sky high before the leap as some make it out to be. Sure, they dropped after the leap but hey, season 2 didn't get as much promotion as season 1 did it? Nor did anyone have an effing clue about who Aahil and Sanam were. With that regard, they have done pretty darn well. Not to mention, the channel hardly ever bothered promoting the damn show and yet it got into the Top 5 shows. Not a bad feat if you ask me.

As soon as they did gain some popularity and success, Gul went back to her original story.

Now, let us wait and watch how much the audience care for this badlaa track...




Can I just add how much I love your POV... Seriously you read my mind. Would like to add about some issues.

See, there are fans like me who watch QH2 only and only for Saahi. Like you said, Gul Khan promoted QH2 as a fresh new love story. and even the montage in the beginning appeared so. Now it's the complete opposite. It just makes me really sad to see an amazing actor like KVB being sidelined and only appearing 1-2 minutes everyday that too for a scene with Sanam. When I look back at the old episodes we saw different versions of Aahil. As a brother and as an individual. It's really sad to see how his family just disappear like that. So much of scope for his sisters and his grandmother and that blonde little kid. *Sigh*.


I wonder if they will actually bring back his family again which I doubt. How can their absence for 4 months can be justified. I guess we just have to put up with Tanveer and Seher drama which Im least bothered. The makers need to know that it is Saahil who brought in the TRPs back. Wasnt the trp high during their marriage ?

Another thing Im fearing. I hate how she twists and turns the story that it makes us sick to the stomach. I never watched QH1 so I dont really know what happened in Zooyan. But the whole Seher as Sanam with Aahil is just plain weird for me. I dont mind slight comical but please dont make Aahil all desperate for "Sanam" and her rejecting him. The poor guy deserves some happiness. And worst will be if Seher is all gooey eyed with Reehan and Aahil sees this. Gosh I will give up on the show if this happens.

Saahil have grown so much for the past few months and they r now truly over this whole jealousy thing. Please . Just like how they scrapped off the "SLAP" I hope they take into consideration the viewers plea in this too
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I don't think people said even back then that Aahil would figure it out just like that. When the word quick is used, it doesn't mean within onem
meaningless conversation. You know how Aahil would figure it out? If Seher gives the green light. Right now all he has only just caressed her arms while talking to her. If he were to hug her or they were to spend a minute alone with them holding hands or her leaning into him, that's where the connection comes in. He would not feel the same way with his Sanam.

But that would not go over well and Seher is kept from being negative.

SaHil, Early connections too, they never connected it to the other. One was Sanam feeling something, other was dupatta on mirror. It was The Fates giving them pause and a feeling, but never that it happened again and again during their meetings. There it was attraction/intrigue/effect.

As for Seher slap, I wrote a while back I don't want to see that either. I mentioned the film Sharmilee a few days back. I was young when I saw it. Now, I didn't like how they showed westernized twin as a vamp, but still I accepted it as the story. When the hero slaps her, I winced. I understood she was a vamp, she deserved the slap, he had the right to be angry and pissed, and he was worried for his wife, but still I winced and didn't like seeing it. It still comes off as gratuitous.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: KhatamKahani

I don't think people said even back then that Aahil would figure it out just like that. When the word quick is used, it doesn't mean within onem

meaningless conversation. You know how Aahil would figure it out? If Seher gives the green light. Right now all he has only just caressed her arms while talking to her. If he were to hug her or they were to spend a minute alone with them holding hands or her leaning into him, that's where the connection comes in. He would not feel the same way with his Sanam.

But that would not go over well and Seher is kept from being negative.

SaHil, Early connections too, they never connected it to the other. One was Sanam feeling something, other was dupatta on mirror. It was The Fates giving them pause and a feeling, but never that it happened again and again during their meetings. There it was attraction/intrigue/effect.

As for Seher slap, I wrote a while back I don't want to see that either. I mentioned the film Sharmilee a few days back. I was young when I saw it. Now, I didn't like how they showed westernized twin as a vamp, but still I accepted it as the story. When the hero slaps her, I winced. I understood she was a vamp, she deserved the slap, he had the right to be angry and pissed, and he was worried for his wife, but still I winced and didn't like seeing it. It still comes off as gratuitous.



Actually I don't mean that many moments of Ahil 'sensing' sanam just like that have been shown in the past like they did in IPK. Sure they did keep such things to a bare minimum, but enough surreal and illogical aspects were shown like the first time he came and knocked her door in Panjab, him sensing her in danger, his super strength in ripping up the coffin,...whether its fate shown here or what ever my point is none of these are actuallyW logical per se.

Now as these are sisters since the cvs had created this kind of situation, I would rather he find out 'just like that' to avoid these touching and loving gestures scenarios on the part of Ahil. To be honest I don't find anything logical about how Seher ended up in IM impersonating Sanam in the first place...so what is just more illogical for him to find out that is not Sanam by a simple touch or look in the eye...etc.

With regards to the slap, I think the difference here is that you see Seher as a victim and I see her more like a vamp due to her own doings rather than circumstances. I explained my pOV in Sage's post on last Thursday. (pls have a look) I'm not saying you will agree with me, but that is how I see her as she is appears to me so far in the show.

In Q1 I also winced when Dilshad slapped Asad after the JS, because he was innocent and undeserving
As Seher comes off as a selfish gold digger who goes to the length of ruining peoples lives, I don't feel sympathy for her yet...And Ahil slapping her in the heat of the moment does not sound bad to me at all because of that...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: SheAish



Actually I don't mean that many moments of Ahil 'sensing' sanam just like that have been shown in the past like they did in IPK. Sure they did keep such things to a bare minimum, but enough surreal and illogical aspects were shown like the first time he came and knocked her door in Panjab, him sensing her in danger, his super strength in ripping up the coffin,...whether its fate shown here or what ever my point is none of these are actuallyW logical per se.

Now as these are sisters since the cvs had created this kind of situation, I would rather he find out 'just like that' to avoid these touching and loving gestures scenarios on the part of Ahil. To be honest I don't find anything logical about how Seher ended up in IM impersonating Sanam in the first place...so what is just more illogical for him to find out that is not Sanam by a simple touch or look in the eye...etc.

With regards to the slap, I think the difference here is that you see Seher as a victim and I see her more like a vamp due to her own doings rather than circumstances. I explained my pOV in Sage's post on last Thursday. (pls have a look) I'm not saying you will agree with me, but that is how I see her as she is appears to me so far in the show.

In Q1 I also winced when Dilshad slapped Asad after the JS, because he was innocent and undeserving
As Seher comes off as a selfish gold digger who goes to the length of ruining peoples lives, I don't feel sympathy for her yet...And Ahil slapping her in the heat of the moment does not sound bad to me at all because of that...

I also agree with Seher recieving a slap or 2 because she does come off as a vamp who is doing all this willingly for money. if it was a man who'd put Sanam's life in danger, I'd have liked Aahil to give him a punch or 2. Frankly, if her crimes were to be tried in court, she'd get a lot more than just 2 slaps.
Slapping for Sanam because she is saying something that Aahil is in disagreement is different from Seher being slapped by Aahil for her crime!
Also my peeve with Aahil-Seher being in same room personating as hubby wife is quite nauseating. Off course there is a story being told...but heck when was I watching this for a story????
I was watching it for a love story.
So excuse me while I share negative enthusiasm for jija trying to romance his saali... the relation better not be sullied. they have to live their life till old age as Jija saali along with the loving wife... why add embarrasing moments that'd put their heads to shame everytime they're brought up in future.
The way the story is being told right now... Aahil might have gone ahead and done the deed if Seher wasn't unwilling...!! Why must Seher's unwillingness trigger suspicion? Why not touch, why not minutest mannerisms, why not the soul connect.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Bold: Thats exactly my point...I know people are thinking he would not go to such lengths,,,but the way it comes off is that if Seher acted willing without talking too much then Ahil wouldn't suspect anything and the deed would be done...HOW SICK IS THAT...NO I don't want Seher's reluctance to be the one to make Ahil question that she is not Sanam. But the love and connection he has with Sanam should help him differentiate straight away...


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: tleshni




Can I just add how much I love your POV... Seriously you read my mind. Would like to add about some issues.

See, there are fans like me who watch QH2 only and only for Saahi. Like you said, Gul Khan promoted QH2 as a fresh new love story. and even the montage in the beginning appeared so. Now it's the complete opposite. It just makes me really sad to see an amazing actor like KVB being sidelined and only appearing 1-2 minutes everyday that too for a scene with Sanam. When I look back at the old episodes we saw different versions of Aahil. As a brother and as an individual. It's really sad to see how his family just disappear like that. So much of scope for his sisters and his grandmother and that blonde little kid. *Sigh*.


I wonder if they will actually bring back his family again which I doubt. How can their absence for 4 months can be justified. I guess we just have to put up with Tanveer and Seher drama which Im least bothered. The makers need to know that it is Saahil who brought in the TRPs back. Wasnt the trp high during their marriage ?

Another thing Im fearing. I hate how she twists and turns the story that it makes us sick to the stomach. I never watched QH1 so I dont really know what happened in Zooyan. But the whole Seher as Sanam with Aahil is just plain weird for me. I dont mind slight comical but please dont make Aahil all desperate for "Sanam" and her rejecting him. The poor guy deserves some happiness. And worst will be if Seher is all gooey eyed with Reehan and Aahil sees this. Gosh I will give up on the show if this happens.

Saahil have grown so much for the past few months and they r now truly over this whole jealousy thing. Please . Just like how they scrapped off the "SLAP" I hope they take into consideration the viewers plea in this too


Agree to all that you two wrote, especially the bold.Some soul group here😆
I also watch the show for SaHil and not for Tanveer & Zoya's clones.
QH2 was promoted as Ahil's story with his dysfunctional family and a bad boy falling in love with his wicked step mom's victim.Few months down the line,his family is gone, he hardly gets any dialogues and he is just an eye candy.

They should have sold the twins story from the beginning, if that's waht they wanted to show.i do think,it was the original story as otherwise there was no point in giving Zoya twins. They roped in viewers promising SaHil and after a hundred episodes tell them guess what,the story is about to begin and it's what you didn't want to watch earlier,that's Tanveer Vs Zoya.
The original leads are back,i mean Tanveer &Razia.
I hope they scrap the swap crap and release the right twin.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: simran_singh_24


Agree to all that you two wrote, especially the bold.Some soul group here😆
I also watch the show for SaHil and not for Tanveer & Zoya's clones.
QH2 was promoted as Ahil's story with his dysfunctional family and a bad boy falling in love with his wicked step mom's victim.Few months down the line,his family is gone, he hardly gets any dialogues and he is just an eye candy.

They should have sold the twins story from the beginning, if that's waht they wanted to show.i do think,it was the original story as otherwise there was no point in giving Zoya twins. They roped in viewers promising SaHil and after a hundred episodes tell them guess what,the story is about to begin and it's what you didn't want to watch earlier,that's Tanveer Vs Zoya.
The original leads are back,i mean Tanveer &Razia.
I hope they scrap the swap crap and release the right twin.




Yes I think the biggest issue with QH2 is that it was promoted to be a new love story. Between Aahil and Sanam.Like you said 2 people impossible for them to be in love, from their character and also their background. Everything wad fine for first few months and after marriage everything went haywire.

If they had promoted QH2 as the twins revenge and introducing Seher parallel to Sanam, then things would have been a different stuff altogether. I for one would not have watched it because I was never a fan of QH1 so the whole revenge thing doesnt bother or excite me. When I fell in love with QH(well only Saahil) I signed up to be involved in Aahil and Sanam plus the Ibrahim family. I remember being curious about his sisters and his family. Heck even Haya and Rahat looked interesting. But the moment Razia came into the picture, everything went downhill with the intro of Seher. I was okay with Seher but after Sehaan it sickens me to no extent. Again i reiterate, if they had already introduced Seher in the beginning then most of us would have predicted she will be coupled with Rehan. But the forceful way Sehaan was pushed down us.. Urgh.. I could go on and on. I wish I can quit this show, but my love for Aahil, Saahil is stopping me.. *sigh*
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: SheAish



Actually I don't mean that many moments of Ahil 'sensing' sanam just like that have been shown in the past like they did in IPK. Sure they did keep such things to a bare minimum, but enough surreal and illogical aspects were shown like the first time he came and knocked her door in Panjab, him sensing her in danger, his super strength in ripping up the coffin,...whether its fate shown here or what ever my point is none of these are actuallyW logical per se.

Now as these are sisters since the cvs had created this kind of situation, I would rather he find out 'just like that' to avoid these touching and loving gestures scenarios on the part of Ahil. To be honest I don't find anything logical about how Seher ended up in IM impersonating Sanam in the first place...so what is just more illogical for him to find out that is not Sanam by a simple touch or look in the eye...etc.

With regards to the slap, I think the difference here is that you see Seher as a victim and I see her more like a vamp due to her own doings rather than circumstances. I explained my pOV in Sage's post on last Thursday. (pls have a look) I'm not saying you will agree with me, but that is how I see her as she is appears to me so far in the show.

In Q1 I also winced when Dilshad slapped Asad after the JS, because he was innocent and undeserving
As Seher comes off as a selfish gold digger who goes to the length of ruining peoples lives, I don't feel sympathy for her yet...And Ahil slapping her in the heat of the moment does not sound bad to me at all because of that...


Him knocking on her door and when her dupatta flew on his car, those are the two times they showed the surreal moments. Where they felt something (and we the audience saw their Fates intertwining) but it never happened afterwards other than when he sensed her in danger--and the one time he was aware of it was because he knew Sanam was missing. Their initial surreal moments was because, as I said, their new Chapter was about to start and they felt it in some manner. But they have never connected it, nor did it happen in their actual meetings.

Aahil I don't think was shown Super Strength in opening the coffin. He was hign on Adrenalineand it was just a nailed coffin. He was shown Super Hearing though in the washing machine incident.😆

No, I don't see Seher as a victim here. As I said, the writers are trying not to show her in a negative light. And I can see her as a vamp and I still woudn't want to see her slapped like that. Whenever I see the male slapping a female, whether it be vamp or whoever, it always comes off to me that there's an undercurrent there of keeping and showing females their place. I've not liked it whenever I see it with vamps in serials, and I've said it pretty much each time at one place or the other.

PS. Sanam is not in danger right now as she was during Washing Machine or Tanveer and Co's strangulation. Which again, only in one instance was Aahil attuned to his sensing her in danger.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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KK, can you please see the link below...I have explained my pov regarding this issue...I agree that these stuff were kept at a minimum but...see my post and you will see what I mean.

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198767&TPN=4

With regards to the slap, for me in these cases, males slapping a female is like punching out a guy when they do something really horrible or threaten their loved ones...
Males or females, both are capable of really horrible things and even in this case if it had been a male Ahil would have beat the guy to a pulp to be honest so a slap is just nothing...

I personally don't see the difference between males and females if what they do is equally horrible...so a slap is payback for a female horrible person, while punching out is for the male...


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