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Posted: 11 years ago
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This is precisely what I meant about your classy and eloquent writing. It was long, not gonna lie, but your thoughts flowed extremely well together. 👏 👏
And I don't know what you meant about making a "cold" post. If anything, this was quite optimistic. Happy times are ahead. Ultimately, pure intentions will triumph.

You know my stance Vaish. There was a time when Qubool Hai became purely rage-inducing. Now, it's simply incomprehensible hilarity. I wouldn't be surprised if JaaNu get together. Along with other things, Asad seems to be deprived of the right amount of brain cells too. If he can give up Zoya for Nikhat, he can give himself up for Najma, too (assuming that Najma is the card that Tanhoe ends up using). High improbable as it is, Asad could also use Tanveer. He knows her true colors, and I don't believe that he's foolish enough to completely fall for her. But my question is, where does the annulment of ZoYaan marriage play into this? Because we know that Razia is onto something. She won't be dealing with Zoya much longer.

As for the sacrifice aspect, I agree to a certain extent. My problem is that Zoya wasn't Asad's to give. (Don't get me wrong. You know I can point out just as many flaws in Zoya, too.) And she's still going to go back to him as if everything is hunky dory. Her to-be-husband turned out to be a foolish wimp with a side of fries and still has the balls (ehl oh ehl - he really doesn't) to utter the worst romanticisms this side of a Nicholas Sparks novel.

Zoya darling, when you find out that your lurrveee was willing to make you the sacrificial lamb, the proper response is not running back into his arms. This is the proper response:

*sigh*

As for Nikhat, I don't blame her for attempting suicide. I blame the members of the household for not responding appropriately. I don't know what part of Haseena's bloated face or greedy eyes makes the Siddiquis think that Nikhat would recover in her vicinity. The poor girl needed a shrink, not a husband.


On a completely different note, I thought this post was about characters and the story. Not actors.
Edited by -Jazzy- - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: ..SanzLicious..

Tanvi - Girl, we differ on this 😆 I know Asad knows Billo tried to kill Zoe. But what I'm saying is that it's still very possible that he's swayed by her.


Think about it. If today he is so calm at shutting her out and not like a Lion like he should be, he can easily fall into her trap again.

I'm not saying JaaNu is DEFINITE. But it's a possibility.

ILY girl 🤗 And I know <3 We'll just have to wait and see. Tumhare moon mein ghee aur shakkar if you're right and JaaNu doesn't happen and Asad is not a fool for once 😳

I would not call that a calm demeanour! If tanu had been a man, she would have got the full treatment!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#23
well said, exactly what i have been thinking since the new promo. i mentioned the same thing in one of my posts, but it was not well written as yours :)
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thanks for posting it here Vaish.

My question to the PH- If that's what they have planned all along, couldn't they have prepared the audience with a small write up on Eid and it's significance? Forum 32 dishes out articles every other day- mostly on Kabhie, superstars, writers block etc but educating us all on what the writers intend to depict through this show would have been better appreciated by people like us.

Does sacrifice mean being foolish? Eg if Asad consents to nikaah with Tanveer- that wouldn't be sacrifice but foolishness.

Does sacrifice mean giving into mentally unstable people? Eg Nikhat

Does sacrifice mean forcing your loved ones into a relationship they don't want?

Thanks for doing the research and helping us all see a different perspective...just wish the PH would have more clarity on what they want to show and show it in a more palatable and logical fashion.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: bheegi

Thanks for posting it here Vaish.


My question to the PH- If that's what they have planned all along, couldn't they have prepared the audience with a small write up on Eid and it's significance? Forum 32 dishes out articles every other day- mostly on Kabhie, superstars, writers block etc but educating us all on what the writers intend to depict through this show would have been better appreciated by people like us.

Does sacrifice mean being foolish? Eg if Asad consents to nikaah with Tanveer- that wouldn't be sacrifice but foolishness.

Does sacrifice mean giving into mentally unstable people? Eg Nikhat

Does sacrifice mean forcing your loved ones into a relationship they don't want?

Thanks for doing the research and helping us all see a different perspective...just wish the PH would have more clarity on what they want to show and show it in a more palatable and logical fashion.


You're very welcome Sangeeta 🤗

Ah - Yes, Forum32 could have informed us about their following of symbolism. But I think they as the creatives - As the saying goes, magicians never reveal their secrets - don't want to give away the education as it provides dramatic excitement for them in the show. It's a pure marketing technique for them to keep people in the dark, give them KaBhi interviews so KaBhi lovers will rejoice, and well, writer's block was to give us some excitement as well. Forum32 is as marketing - suave as they get.

And Asad will be indeed very foolish for giving in to Tanveer - But it's a viable possibility. And as for sacrifice meaning being foolish - I suppose for Forum32, it does, though I agree with you that they shouldn't make this happen.

Nikhat is mentally unstable due to circumstance and insecurity and well as upbringing, Sangeeta. I actually do sympathize with her as a person (Not for the suicide however, that is not at all sympathetic for me) and I believe she needs help right now - Eh, yes, I actually do think sacrifice means helping her. :)

And forcing people into relationships - Well, that's what caused the MaBurt marriage, I suppose. I agree that it was poorly handled - Asad should have talked to Zoya CLEARLY about why she's going to the other house so this pain won't be as acute and she doesn't feel like property.

What my personal hunches are Sangeeta are the fact that Zoya, according to new spoilers may also give up her love for Asad to take care of Ayaan and his injuries - and that is another sacrifice in Eid-Al-Adha - And fits brilliantly with the theme of sacrifice.

October seems to be a hard month to take in for us fans - This month has emotional dard written all over it! Completely agree with you :(


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Great post! I loved all the info you gave/researched. I just disagree at one point about Janu engagement and here is why.
The whole point of Eid is sacrificing for the RIGHT thing. Abraham sacrificed his son because GOD wanted it. There are two phases of this sacrifice in QH:
SR Fiasco:
1. Zoya sacrificed Asad because she thought he was Billi's kittens father and it was the right thing to do
*Then Zoya finds out about the pregnancy*
2. Zoya is in a dilemma but sacrifices Abbu for Asad because it was the right thing to do-making Asad suffer for no fault of his would not have been right

This situation
1. Asad sacrificed Zoya because he felt Zoyaan happened and it was the right thing to do because of Nikhat's life
*Hopefully Asad finds out about invalid nikah/Zoya tells him she can't live without him/He promises her*
2. Asad is in a dilemma but sacrifices Najma's marriage because it is the right thing to do-making Zoya suffer for no fault of her's would not be right.

Now if Asad does not take BIlli up on the offer she goes wild. This may lead to her creating problems for NajRan and ultimately revealing Abbu truth for which Raziya will get rid of her.

Also just like Zoya found out on Eid that her Abbu was live and the sacrifice did not go to waste same way Imran will confess to Najma and Billi may lose her kitten. So things will be set right! you know what i mean?

Yes I think that Abbu truth will come out. Billi will reveal it but because of Raziya Gaffur will reject Zoya. Zoya will be broken but Asad will take Zoya Siddiqui from SM as his Dulhan. This symbolizes breaking of the musical ball. But now with this picture spoiler maybe Gaffur truth will come out and ZOya would expect her father to support her and wipe her tears but he will stand against her...and Asad will come save Zoya from the badnami and claim her as his and take her away.

Asad will be in a dilemma in order to save Najma's marriage but when Zoya will be insulted he will bring out the truth of the invalid nikah and take Zoya away. I am sure Raziya is using the photo to insult Zoya.

God will never ask for a sacrifice and help evil win. You know what I mean? Everyone is going to think in context of Asad sacrificing Zoya for Najma and fall for the cats plan but sacrifice is not meant for evil to win. Instead sacrificing Najma will be the right thing since evil will lose. Asad is a very very righteous man. I don't see him letting Zoya suffer in the process of saving Najma. Not at all.

Finally every twist in QH is from the 18-23rd but this muqaddar stuff started on the 11th of September. Every track also lasts exactly a month in QH. Now the timing of this track is perfect the 250th episode is on October 10th, Eid is on the 15/16 and then QH anniversary is on the 29th. Something positive has to happen on all these milestones.
Edited by niki_12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Jazzy-

This is precisely what I meant about your classy and eloquent writing. It was long, not gonna lie, but your thoughts flowed extremely well together. 👏 👏

And I don't know what you meant about making a "cold" post. If anything, this was quite optimistic. Happy times are ahead. Ultimately, pure intentions will triumph.

You know my stance Vaish. There was a time when Qubool Hai became purely rage-inducing. Now, it's simply incomprehensible hilarity. I wouldn't be surprised if JaaNu get together. Along with other things, Asad seems to be deprived of the right amount of brain cells too. If he can give up Zoya for Nikhat, he can give himself up for Najma, too (assuming that Najma is the card that Tanhoe ends up using). High improbable as it is, Asad could also use Tanveer. He knows her true colors, and I don't believe that he's foolish enough to completely fall for her. But my question is, where does the annulment of ZoYaan marriage play into this? Because we know that Razia is onto something. She won't be dealing with Zoya much longer.

As for the sacrifice aspect, I agree to a certain extent. My problem is that Zoya wasn't Asad's to give. (Don't get me wrong. You know I can point out just as many flaws in Zoya, too.) And she's still going to go back to him as if everything is hunky dory. Her to-be-husband turned out to be a foolish wimp with a side of fries and still has the balls (ehl oh ehl - he really doesn't) to utter the worst romanticisms this side of a Nicholas Sparks novel.

Zoya darling, when you find out that your lurrveee was willing to make you the sacrificial lamb, the proper response is not running back into his arms. This is the proper response:

*sigh*

As for Nikhat, I don't blame her for attempting suicide. I blame the members of the household for not responding appropriately. I don't know what part of Haseena's bloated face or greedy eyes makes the Siddiquis think that Nikhat would recover in her vicinity. The poor girl needed a shrink, not a husband.


On a completely different note, I thought this post was about characters and the story. Not actors.


NO. You said it all. Who am I? RES. I want to fully analyze your brilliance. You EXACTLY understood!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Wonderfully analysed👏.
Some thoughts that occurred to me, after reading your post and some comments...

The importance of sacrifice in Bakrid:

Asad and Ayan have already sacrificed themselves...Zoya was forced in to sacrifice, against her wishes...

The brothers' sacrifice could be rewarded with their sister's nikah...

And I feel Jannu will not happen, because Dilshad will not let her son do any such nonsense!


1. Zoya stays back to take care of Ayan. (Something/ someone makes her stay back ...)

2. Tanveer says she will make sure Zoya stays back.

3. Raziya says she will make sure she does not.

4. A woman has been forced wrongfully into an act...

Will Allah make the brothers realise what they did to Zoya was horrendous?


Will Allah reject their sacrifice by denying that very sister, happiness?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Many of you have expressed your opinions and seriously, I am awed by all your insights and perspectives. BRILLIANT MINDS HAVE COME TO MY PETTY POST 😲🤗Hugs to you all darlings 🤗

I would like to address the question of JaaNu here - as people are constantly bringing it up (read ... Tanvi 😳😆) and are curious as to why I am doubtful of Asad.

There is no doubt - AT ALL- for me that JaaNu may not happen. I admit it. In fact, if it doesn't, you realize I will be the happiest person on the forum? I analyze PRECISELY to find hope for AsYa. And if I turn out to be wrong, then I will be the first one to party.

But - with that being said - I still consider JaaNu a viable possibility. Why?

The sacrifice month is coming up - it is October. This is October. Yes, sacrifice was made, and it will continue to be - the month is not over yet, and that is the key hint I'm pointing out - October is just beginning - as the recent spoiler states, Zoya stays back and sacrifices to take care of Ayaan. This provides me some doubts as to the fact that JaaNu won't happen - Tanveer's game is amping up and as Zoya won't be available - it will be easier for her.

And no, I don't think they will get married if JaaNu happens. Remember, engagements are the only thing I see for the JaaNu track - Asad WILL become a sher (Lion) and wreck Tanveer's game. I am saying that INITIALLY - Asad will crack under pressure - The man is emotional - BUT, it will be as short as lightening and IF IF IF (JaaNu is NOT set in stone) it happens HE WILL BE THE ONE TO DISSOLVE THE ENGAGEMENT. I strongly and fiercely believe that there is no nikkah.

As for Dilshad, when has Asad ever agreed to her? Did he agree when she rightfully said to go back and get Zoya after MaBurt? No. So - if JaaNu happens - and I said IF Tanvi 😳😆🤗- then Dilshad will protest, but Asad will do it for Najma.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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😕I still don't see why Asad should buckle under pressure for Najma's sake.😳
It is crystal clear to him, as well that this is not the woman, written for him...and denying Zoya him, at the expense of another sister will be unpardonable...(Esp since he sent a wailing Zoya to SM, asking her to trust their love...)..He will never do that to Zoya ever again...

And even if he did not have a Zoya in his life, accepting the scheming woman who was impregnated by his BIL is hardly the sensible solution to the situation...Imran would have to adopt the kid or make sure he contributes in bringing up the kid...

Also, Nikhat happened because of Najma...it was only for Najma that he sped up the nikah, not listeningto Ayan's judgement...he chose to think Nikhat had moved on, and made a promise that day, that he'd give up his life for this sister..that sacrifice was demanded in the form of Zoya...So I feel his sacrifice for both the sisters have been done with...just what I felt.😳😊


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