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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: RandomSquared
i think they needed to show asad realizing not that he was wrong for blaming zoya but rather realizing "oh my god, i actually hit her, what have i become?" but they didnt show that. and now they are just going to act as tho it didnt happen.

this has nothing to do with any social message as people seem to think, its just really bad story telling

I agree with you, in the sense that it was really bad story-telling. This show has nothing to do with any social message..but they handled the scenes really badly, and the writing was way down the mark. I agree..& I think THAT is the issue, not the social message bit.

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: shaz2009
I wouldn't have had such a problem if they were to address the isssue in the right way, to give out the right message of awareness,with the current state of affairs in India...that's the least they could have done,to show that these things do happen in reality but you dnt have to put up with it,a stand can be taken.At the very least Zoya should have been shown to take a firmer stand in voicing her opinions too of her treatment as she has sbeen portrayed as a stong,independant women and not a woman who is helpess,meak and shy or scared of what societey has to say, and ASad defo, could have been shown to feel more remorseful and ashamed at what he did.It would have been more understandable if Asad was to be shown as the more grey character from the beginning,one who had issues,who wasn't the ideal man that a woman would love due to his bad habits and ways...then comes Zoya's entry in his life and then you know the rest...love changes him for the better.Here we have had Asad from the beginning to be shown as disciplined,well mannered,a man of principles,who's had a very good upbringing by a lovely,doting mother...etc,etc...so to have a man such as this ,behave with that level of aggression is what I'm finding a little hard to digest as it does seem out of place going by the picture we had painted of him going by his initial character sketch.
Having said all that doesn't mean that I have lost total interest in the show as there is quite a lot going on in the show other than the love story ,and the supporting cast all are a tremendous bunch of talent and I am finding Razia's character really inetersting and intriguing...the actress playing it is doing a brilliant job as the shows vampy and this show still has a long way to go as it's still early days.

Even with the current state of affairs in India, this is still the reality. I agree that they could have handled the situation much, much better, but they did not. Zoya, IMO is like any other woman who has been abused. She doesn't realize that she had been abused, she thinks he hit her once, because his mother was dying. And the unfortunate truth is MANY do exactly that - they justify it and think its a one of thing. Moreover, being educated and modern, or coming from a rich, well-off family has NOTHING to do with it. Therefore, Zoya being extroverted and handling the situation the way she did, is not a surprise.

Asad from the beginning has never been shown as the perfect, ideal man! He was always shown as being orthodox in his thinking, he's had a problem with everything Zoya did even when she had been right! He was not shown as a neat, disciplined guy. He was shown as an OVERLY disciplined, overly possessive guy, with a slight case of OCD. Therefore, him acting the way he did, was not surprising! It was definitely not right, but it was not unexpected as per his character. Therefore, I disagree with you completely in the sense that Asad was always shown as a great character. No, he wasn't. He was shown to ONLY care about his mother, sister and Ayaan, and if anybody harmed them in any way, he went crazy. Which obviously is not a good thing, but it has been his character since the beginning!

All the storylines in the show are great, and I love it too how they are connecting the dots. Some of the supporting cast like the actress playing Razia, Shireen and Dadi are great too!

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Posted: 12 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: Laila2009

That is what is missing along with some very serious essential elements...it's this gaping hole now on the show that has ruined it for a lot of us. Fine, if you have to show a slap, then at least teach the audience that it is NOT OK - that a man has no right to slap a young girl no matter what the circumstances and that all this abuse is unacceptable. Show the girl standing up and saying it is wrong. Show a genuine apology. Show a mother unhappy at learning her son did something wrong.

But the writers just did and then brushed it off as if it was no big deal. That's the problem that I see. Some people really do not care...but those who do I see as those who do not think slapping is a big deal, cute and perfectly acceptable in a relationship. That is why they do not understand why we feel this way and think we are annoying pests on this forum.

Laila, Dilshad does not know about Asad's actions yet. And what you said about people who think that the "slapping is no big deal, cute and perfectly acceptable in a relationship" ..umm..I'm sorry, I NEVER SAID THAT. I repeatedly keep on saying that it is unjustifiable, and I'm pretty sure NOBODY here thought the the slap was cute!! NOBODY! There are people who are trying to justify it, and I am NOT one of them. But people are doing that, because people try to make logic of things that have happened, they try to make sense of it, but they DO NOT believe that it is acceptable!!

I was one of the people who commented on your posts and agreed with you to a certain extent. Here in this post, i AM NOT JUSTIFYING what ASAD did. I am trying to make sense of why GUL KHAN showed what she showed!

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: Laila2009

1. I said ZOYA does not realize that she's being abused, NOT ME OR YOU OR THE AUDIENCE! Plus, no offence, but not everyone who does not agree with what you are saying is "blind" and seeing what they want because they want to "blindly like this jodi". And thank you for your concern, but I am not living in denial. Repeating what I just said, ZOYA does not realise she is being abused. NOT ME.

2. Blame Gul Khan all you want to. I too hated how Zoya handled the situation, and no matter what her motive, what she depicted WAS REALITY.

3. This show is not a school. They do not have the responsibility to educate the entire world. I think most people are aware that they are watching fiction, not non-fiction, therefore what they are being shown is not the right thing to do or the wrong thing to do. If they do not know that, then they should not be watching any fiction show altogether!

4. I am NOT saying that "it is fiction so let it go". I am saying that this is JUST ONE story, which is being shown. This is not a fable.

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Posted: 12 years ago

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I totally agree with you there. Nice post. ;D

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: enchanted.

I agree with you to an extent..yes, it has been brushed aside almost too quickly, but even today, when India has faced so many issues, especially recently, there has not been enough change. And obviously it is not an acceptable reality, but it is definitely, THE reality.

In a place like India, where beating and esp women-beating is considered an ok and casual thing, I think it gets more dangerous when TV shows also start portraying this as a casual thing... I would have expected this show to come out very strongly against this issue. You and me and many others know that this is not an acceptable reality. But there are still many (both men and women) who think this is very much acceptable and that a man has a right to raise his hand when he gets angry.

And the worst part is the show has depicted that Asad felt sorry because Zoya had not been the one to make the mistake. Asad was not shown to be sorry for the slap per se. So it basically means that he was sorry because his reason for slapping had not been valid... and this is just reinforcing the already existing notion that is not a big deal to slap someone.

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Posted: 12 years ago

#27

WOWW awsm post !!
I totally loved ur POV !!
Superbbb !!

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Posted: 12 years ago

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well an amazing view towards the whole slap thing. 👏

we can bash n justify a show to no bounds, the forum was ready to kill n eat each other for this slap issue, at that time nobody realized we are civilized and educated for God's sake, bt still many ignored to respect other view point.

we can only bash a story shown on tv n stay mute in real life, this is the sad irony of life.

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: blueflames
well an amazing view towards the whole slap thing. 👏

we can bash n justify a show to no bounds, the forum was ready to kill n eat each other for this slap issue, at that time nobody realized we are civilized and educated for God's sake, bt still many ignored to respect other view point.

we can only bash a story shown on tv n stay mute in real life, this is the sad irony of life.

Blueflames since you're choosing to respond to the actions of a number of us on the forum, i felt your posts needed to be addressed by us. Viewpoints that support abuse are pretty damaging to society. While people are definitely entitled to believe it is OK to slap women, what does that do for women in general? The fact is there is no excuse to slap a woman. This is not just a viewpoint but one that is backed research and international experts.

Moreover, when a story sends out some very damaging messages then is it not a responsibility to come to a forum and say otherwise? That's not bashing a show...if anyone is doing any or encouraging it then it is the PH not us. As for staying mute in real life? The majority of people who came here to speak out ALSO work in the field of domestic violence, abuse and trauma...and I know because we've exchanged emails.

If anything came out of this show, it is that we have networked together. What I have learned is that the issue of abuse is for more ingrained in society as acceptable than I had ever imagined and that my work is ahead is still not done. Many young educated Indian young girls marry and migrate to the US and these are the young girls who we are going to see more off in our agencies...

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: Laila2009

Blueflames since you're choosing to respond to the actions of a number of us on the forum, i felt your posts needed to be addressed by us. Viewpoints that support abuse are pretty damaging to society. While people are definitely entitled to believe it is OK to slap women, what does that do for women in general? The fact is there is no excuse to slap a woman. This is not just a viewpoint but one that is backed research and international experts.

Moreover, when a story sends out some very damaging messages then is it not a responsibility to come to a forum and say otherwise? That's not bashing a show...if anyone is doing any or encouraging it then it is the PH not us. As for staying mute in real life? The majority of people who came here to speak out ALSO work in the field of domestic violence, abuse and trauma...and I know because we've exchanged emails.

If anything came out of this show, it is that we have networked together. What I have learned is that the issue of abuse is for more ingrained in society as acceptable than I had ever imagined and that my work is ahead is still not done. Many young educated Indian young girls marry and migrate to the US and these are the young girls who we are going to see more off in our agencies...

Well i guess you didn't get what i exactly wrote in my comment, i have highlighted it " bash n justify". No where in the post i addressed either side, i said we as whole which included both parties including me too.

As civilized people we ought to respect each other views,because everyone has their own perception. one cant drill a new set of ideology overnight, world is not defined as white and black its a complicated shade of grey. that required level of respect and consideration did not happen when the slap incident took the forums by storm.

many educated women are being abused, and tortured not only Indians but around the globe, victims don't talk and people who witness such things remain dumb and mute. that's where my last line was intended. its easy talking than actually doing.

that's a good thing to hear that people in forum are actually active in such fields of domestic violence, but the number is still in minority, and majority is shared by people who sit idle and those who are the victim.

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