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Posted: 12 years ago
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Shaz, I agree that Asad was a complete jerk today. In fact his words were more toxic than his thappad. The thappad was an act of impulse but his words were intentional and were really hurtful especially his reference to her being an orphan.

I agree in real life this would be unacceptable and no one would want a lover like asad but one has to look at this as a work of fiction where they want us to believe that people do change, love changes them. Seeing a gray character change to a romantic hero is everyone's dream. So, we should all try to differentiate real life from reel life.

This is a fantasy...like Beauty and the Beast. Dil par mat lo yaar.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Laila2009

What this whole incident taught the viewers are that when a guy is cute and he hits you or treats you poorly - it is OK, it is justified. When he comes forward and he apologizes and gets all mushy and romantic, he loves you.


Sadly Laila, for a bunch of people who grew up reading M&Bs and the like, this behaviour will seem normal as someone pointed out on pri's thread. Funny how people confuse BDSM with stuff like this. My take: you can't sow stuff like that on national telly. So this is the desi version... It fits in with the prescribed guidelines of our chauvinistic society. And it's nothing new... If your mom or you haven't been roughed up, then someone in your extended family or friends circle has... And you've grown up hearing people say... Jaane do, hum kya kar sakte hain? Hota hai...

I saw too many posts today where young girls have said that you take your anger out the most on the ones we love and that the best part of the slap will be when he will make it up to her and that will make the romance happen.

Romance?! But then I'm to surprised... Going by the previous shows of this PH... I think kekta was way better by this standard.
Too many young girls on this forum will be brainwashed into thinking that this is all acceptable in a relationship and will eventually not realize the signs of abuse when they enter into a relationship built on it.

For their sakes, I hope not! Laila, please post this on fb... Deserves a larger audience!

The show could have done a lot of good but tragically it will do a lot of damage to the psyche of the young girls here and that distresses me a lot. This means more young girls in our offices and more problems for us to resolve.

For all the tall claims made by the PH, so far I'm sorely disappointed by the superficial treatment to serious tracks like forced marriages, rape, honor killing, violence.


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Posted: 12 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: bheegi

Shaz, I agree that Asad was a complete jerk today. In fact his words were more toxic than his thappad. The thappad was an act of impulse but his words were intentional and were really hurtful especially his reference to her being an orphan.


I agree in real life this would be unacceptable and no one would want a lover like asad but one has to look at this as a work of fiction where they want us to believe that people do change, love changes them. Seeing a gray character change to a romantic hero is everyone's dream. So, we should all try to differentiate real life from reel life.

This is a fantasy...like Beauty and the Beast. Dil par mat lo yaar.


The slap was intentional and whether it was an act of impulse it was done to hurt Zoya and he didn't care about it either. It does not matter if this is fiction or real life; the show sends a dangerous message. When you have an actor that is hot and sexy in the role playing a man who slaps a girl, man handles her and insults her, it legitimizes the abuse to the young girl. And then to make it all romantic - have you seen what QH Facebook page is promoting - they are making it a romantic event tomorrow when Asad will be nice to Zoya. (Bangs head against wall).

Whether this is real life or a show, it is the message that is sent that is very dangerous and should not be brushed aside. And a lot of young girls are not going to be able to know this is a show.

This is not about us taking it to heart; we are beyond that.

None of us in our state of mind are going to enjoy this show KNOWING that this is not right. I can't just brainwash myself into ignoring what I saw - like it never happened. How stupid do people think we are. None of us are thrilled with the CVs for ruining it either. And please spare me,"you can only let them do that if you want too" speech.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: bheegi

Shaz, I agree that Asad was a complete jerk today. In fact his words were more toxic than his thappad. The thappad was an act of impulse but his words were intentional and were really hurtful especially his reference to her being an orphan.


I agree in real life this would be unacceptable and no one would want a lover like asad but one has to look at this as a work of fiction where they want us to believe that people do change, love changes them. Seeing a gray character change to a romantic hero is everyone's dream. So, we should all try to differentiate real life from reel life.

This is a fantasy...like Beauty and the Beast. Dil par mat lo yaar.


The problem IS that their audience consists of young girls ..and maybe even guys, who don't UNDERSTAND that this is fiction. That is where the problem lies! A lot of our beliefs consist of what we learn from the media around us, and the posts I've seen on this forum from people saying, "oh she deserved it"..they really scare me.

There are so many shows where negative characters are made to sympathize with, such as Homeland, etc, but here the audience is different. People say "dil pe mat lo yaar" when its something negative, and take it completely to heart when its something positive!

QH is such a good show, but the creatives need to understand the graveness of the tracks they are handling - rape, abuse, forced marriage, etc.
Edited by enchanted. - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: adeeti10


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by bheegi

Shaz, I agree that Asad was a complete jerk today. In fact his words were more toxic than his thappad. The thappad was an act of impulse but his words were intentional and were really hurtful especially his reference to her being an orphan.

I agree in real life this would be unacceptable and no one would want a lover like asad but one has to look at this as a work of fiction where they want us to believe that people do change, love changes them. Seeing a gray character change to a romantic hero is everyone's dream. So, we should all try to differentiate real life from reel life.

This is a fantasy...like Beauty and the Beast. Dil par mat lo yaar.

The slap was intentional and whether it was an act of impulse it was done to hurt Zoya and he didn't care about it either. It does not matter if this is fiction or real life; the show sends a dangerous message. When you have an actor that is hot and sexy in the role playing a man who slaps a girl, man handles her and insults her, it legitimizes the abuse to the young girl. And then to make it all romantic - have you seen what QH Facebook page is promoting - they are making it a romantic event tomorrow when Asad will be nice to Zoya. (Bangs head against wall).

Whether this is real life or a show, it is the message that is sent that is very dangerous and should not be brushed aside. And a lot of young girls are not going to be able to know this is a show.

This is not about us taking it to heart; we are beyond that.

None of us in our state of mind are going to enjoy this show KNOWING that this is not right. I can't just brainwash myself into ignoring what I saw - like it never happened. How stupid do people think we are. None of us are thrilled with the CVs for ruining it either. And please spare me,"you can only let them do that if you want too" speech.
First of all Sangeetha,thanks for even dropping by,appreciate the fact that you've atleast tried to make your point in a civil manner unike some but dil pe kaise na lu yaar?
I work with women who have suffered terribly and have been scarred mentally and physically and trust me seeing them up close and personal is a very heart wrenching experience for me.Me being a woman cannot see injustice being served on other fellow woman.It makes me highly emotional,I need to take a stand and my job is to see that they get justice.
I know this is reel life and not real,delusional has not taken over me like some on, but like Laila has pointed out,they are sending out a dangerous msssge now especially to young girls who first of all are bowled over by the male leads physique and looks,are fantasising over him day and night.These girls will be going into relationshipa,with this in their heads that it is sexy,cool,passionat and romantic to have a boyfriend like that will treat them like that as they are seeing this as a fanatsy which most will be getting a turn on and thrill from.They are not going to be able to distinguish between right and wrong as in their subconscious minds this is what love is about.
I did give Asad the benefit of the doubt the first time round when he held Zoya by the neck,but what did they go and do after that?The violent slap and then this physical,verbal abuse and then the death threat...coem on yaar...this is just too much and my comscience wont let me just sit back and watch,I have to have my voiice be heard and to do that I am not resorting to any verbal abuse,we are having a serious civil disscussion on a very serious matter.I just hope you can respect that and I think you will!

Edited by shaz2009 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: enchanted.


The problem IS that their audience consists of young girls ..and maybe even guys, who don't UNDERSTAND that this is fiction. That is where the problem lies! A lot of our beliefs consist of what we learn from the media around us, and the posts I've seen on this forum from people saying, "oh she deserved it"..they really scare me.

There are so many shows where negative characters are made to sympathize with, such as Homeland, etc, but here the audience is different. People say "dil pe mat lo yaar" when its something negative, and take it completely to heart when its something positive!

QH is such a good show, but the creatives need to understand the graveness of the tracks they are handling - rape, abuse, forced marriage, etc.


I see your point about the young audience getting influenced by these kind of shows. The only way around this is to show stronger female characters. Zoya has been shown to be quite fearless except when she is with Asad. He seems to scare her for some reason. I would love to see her have the courage to stand up against him and communicate directly with him. I think part of asad's problem is his unwillingness to listen. If she is firm and forces him to listen, he might react differently. I hate it when she just sheds tears and mumbles feebly when he is being forceful. She needs to tell him how she feels when he taunts her about her parents, tell him what her purpose is in India. Why does she not do that? I agree today he crossed all limits. Perhaps Ayaan mian is going to make an entry into zoya's life after all.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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That's ecactly my point Sangheeta!He scares her for some reason and that's where it all begins from!Do you see where I'm coming from?Fear is the key in women being succumed to any kind of physical or mental torture.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: enchanted.

I think the worst part is, it was almost as if Asad forgot that he slapped her! He showed no regret, no guilt over his actions, and if it was a mistake, like many are saying it was, then they would have shown Asad trying to process what he did. But they did not!


Yes, I know his mother was dying, but now when he is going to apologize, is it only because he found out that Zoya is innocent? ..Or is it also because of his own violent behaviour towards Zoya, which was wrong. It is wrong to hit a woman. And truth be told, in our society today, it is wrong to hit a woman, more than it is for a woman to hit a man.

How i second you on this one. Asad is apologising only cause he realised she is innocent and not cause he regreted his actions irrespective of her innocence. Thats shit!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Well said, if this isn't violence then what exactly is? This manhandling behavior has been done too many times in the last serial by the same production company, hated it then. But hate it even more so now because here your showing supposedly an independent, educated, brave and courageous girl suffering like this? Who has given him the right to hurt her like this (physically and mentally)? He hasn't even taken out the time to get to know her!!

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