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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rupunzale

dear adi...don't worry you are doing your part by thinking about it...I have been numb since last night...couldn't sleep the whole night yesterday...was in the Internet back and forth...tried spending time in IF but nothing helped...just held my daughter very close. I Just cannot believe she is gone...I so wished she would survive this...every US channel is airing the news...ppl are shocked.


Just wanted to let you guys know that in a recent article India is mentioned as the worst and unsafe place for women among the G20 countries.

Thanks Adi...it's very difficult for me to bear the pain of these women...I feel i am helpless at times...but each and every women are fighters and they inspire me in so many ways.

priyanka


A big hug to you.

Words aren't enough to express my sorrow, horror at this crime and her death.

Here's another report on violence against women at home... Sadly, Indian men lead.

Nearly one in four Indian men has committed sexual violence at some point in their lives and one in five has admittedly forced his wife or partner to have sex. The findings of a recent International Men and Gender Equality Survey reflects a new low for Indian men. Only 2% Brazilian males and less than 9% of men in Chile, Croatia, Mexico and Rwanda were found to have indulged in sexual violence.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-03-07/india/28665246_1_indian-men-international-men-males

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: adeeti10


Riya, Illa,

I'd say some Indians in India have moved with the times. I come from a progressive urban family and my cousins overseas are progressive too. But around me I find many friends who complain about their extended families - NRI cousins who grow up in more traditional homes whether it is the US or UK cos their parents left India in the 70s or 80s and live in a time warp. And they're amazed when they come to India to find cousins who party, wear what their parents would call skimpy attire... And if its mentioned to their folks, they're stonewalled saying its sad that Indians are losing their own culture.

The sad part is that people everywhere equate culture with this notion of what to wear, what we do at a very superficial level forgetting its about values. And talking about culture, it's something that evolves... So by clinging to old habits unnecessarily, we are doing a disservice.



I agree with you! I think people associate things such as clothes, the way we speak and modify ourselves, our actions or simple harmless actions as "uncultured". It is so hard to explain to them that just because we do certain things does not mean we have no respect for our culture. You know the biggest problem I face is that my parents have never really brought the Indian culture to us. We have only been to India once or twice yet they want us to know everything there is to know. We barely ever celebrate a holiday and even if we do we don't know why we are doing what we are going. I get most of my Indian culture through these shows. They want us to think traditionally which let me tell you has nothing to do with culture. There are such stupid rules like don't talk to buys, don't hang out with girls that talk to boys, don't go out and party and I always say that by putting all these restrictions you are in a way doubting your ability. Yes, too much freedom can be a bad thing but let them have fun, talk to to boys and girls because most likely your kids will not break your trust. You have raised them and it is time you let them figure themselves out. So many people have moved and progressed and I think especially with parents that live abroad, not all but some of them are stuck in a whole different time zone.

Personally, I know what it is right and what is wrong and I do what I need to do. I have never done anything my parents need to be ashamed of, but how is it that you are going to work with coworkers and be at school and never talk to the other gender? Not everyone is out for one thing. I have many amazing guy friends but my parents will never be able to see that or know. That's what most of us have to do anyways. 😭
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@princessonline:

Just saw the whole convo about living in two different cultures. I definitely had this struggle especially in high school days. Trying to stay within my limits and my religion but also learning new things and experiences and it did not go well with my parents.

I just don't understand this show. What is the story line? Is it about a love triangle? then why adding the whole muslim struggle story to the show.

If they had a Muslim family moving abroad they could shown a storyline about fitting in and keeping in touch with your faith but in this case it's not so different you can see especially the girls struggling because they want to do stuff but aren't allowed BUT the things are stupid like being a dancer or being a model.

There mixing struggle with things that ARE not even allowed in Islam.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -a04

@princessonline:


Just saw the whole convo about living in two different cultures. I definitely had this struggle especially in high school days. Trying to stay within my limits and my religion but also learning new things and experiences and it did not go well with my parents.

I just don't understand this show. What is the story line? Is it about a love triangle? then why adding the whole muslim struggle story to the show.

If they had a Muslim family moving abroad they could shown a storyline about fitting in and keeping in touch with your faith but in this case it's not so different you can see especially the girls struggling because they want to do stuff but aren't allowed BUT the things are stupid like being a dancer or being a model.

There mixing struggle with things that ARE not even allowed in Islam.



I struggled a lot with the two different worlds in the beginning of high school but I think as I got older and matured I started to realize that my parents are not always right. I have to find what is right and wrong for me by myself. Their expectations are unrealistic and to be frankly honest stupid for lack of better words.

I agree, I am not sure what they are trying to prove. Are they trying to get rid of the stereotypes or are they trying to reinforce them is my biggest question.

I think the concept you gave, about moving to a foreign country and then trying to find who you are when you are stuck in between two very different cultures, yet, still being able to connect with your roots would be a lot more interesting.

They writers wanted to show how people that live in Islamic families are not so strict and they are more modern then what people think of them to be. I don't come from an Islamic family but would love if you could tell me if you are faced with some of the challenges the characters in this show are faced with.

Riya
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Riya, Illa,

I'd say some Indians in India have moved with the times. I come from a progressive urban family and my cousins overseas are progressive too. But around me I find many friends who complain about their extended families - NRI cousins who grow up in more traditional homes whether it is the US or UK cos their parents left India in the 70s or 80s and live in a time warp. And they're amazed when they come to India to find cousins who party, wear what their parents would call skimpy attire... And if its mentioned to their folks, they're stonewalled saying its sad that Indians are losing their own culture.

The sad part is that people everywhere equate culture with this notion of what to wear, what we do at a very superficial level forgetting its about values. And talking about culture, it's something that evolves... So by clinging to old habits unnecessarily, we are doing a disservice.


I agree with you! I think people associate things such as clothes, the way we speak and modify ourselves, our actions or simple harmless actions as "uncultured". It is so hard to explain to them that just because we do certain things does not mean we have no respect for our culture. You know the biggest problem I face is that my parents have never really brought the Indian culture to us. We have only been to India once or twice yet they want us to know everything there is to know. We barely ever celebrate a holiday and even if we do we don't know why we are doing what we are going. I get most of my Indian culture through these shows. They want us to think traditionally which let me tell you has nothing to do with culture. There are such stupid rules like don't talk to buys, don't hang out with girls that talk to boys, don't go out and party and I always say that by putting all these restrictions you are in a way doubting your ability. Yes, too much freedom can be a bad thing but let them have fun, talk to to boys and girls because most likely your kids will not break your trust. You have raised them and it is time you let them figure themselves out. So many people have moved and progressed and I think especially with parents that live abroad, not all but some of them are stuck in a whole different time zone.

Personally, I know what it is right and what is wrong and I do what I need to do. I have never done anything my parents need to be ashamed of, but how is it that you are going to work with coworkers and be at school and never talk to the other gender? Not everyone is out for one thing. I have many amazing guy friends but my parents will never be able to see that or know. That's what most of us have to do anyways. 😭

Hey Riya,
I can understand how you feel. Funnily, my mom was pretty liberal and that meant going out in mixed groups, so long as she knew the guys i went out with and didn't date exclusively cos dating was not cool when I was in college. But when she did find out I was going steady with someone, there was a sane discussion on why I'm young at 18 to commit and I shouldn't let this relationship take away my focus from life goals like college and career. Her trust and faith meant I almost never lied to her about my plans with friends, and on the one or two occasions I did I was wracked with guilt. I eventually grew out my college crush and met someone else many years after working. Again she didn't pressure me as much as the typical moms to marry soon after college. I told her I didn't want an arranged marriage where I'd meet the guy twice and have to say yes or no. So I finally met my husband at 28 and we married soon after. I guess I'm privileged. And I know for sure, my kids will be raised like I was.


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Posted: 12 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: -a04


Unfair? Not really. From the bat the news and promos have described this show as a struggle and that to struggles in Muslim families.

Nikhat. I'm not sure if dancing is a sin in Islam or not, but yeah she can dance at home or at a wedding or something BUT in talent shows or in a professional manner then I'm pretty positive that this is not allowed in Islam.

There is a difference between Islam and culture. In the household Nikhat has grown up it's a strict household BUT not in religious terms. The way this wedding is happening is NOT allowed in Islam, but the Rashid household is still going with and listening to their demands and rudeness. The people of this show have failed to show proper Islamic struggles. Being darker doesn't have anything to do with Islam it's the society.

Humaira whatever she does I know that is definitely not allowed in Islam. All the viewers especially the Muslim ones want something that can relate to with this show. This is where I say again that this house is not religiously strict wise because if they were no one would tolerate them flirting around.

Yeah I get it he's the silly one and not serious about life. Yes, there are people like that in the world but they stretched out his character a little too much. The main reason being him being a flirt WHICH NO tells him to stop but laugh him off for.

The problem is not wait and let's see how the characters develop the problem is with the script.

I haven't seen the show from the beginning. And I can't comment on Islam because I'm not Muslim and I've lived away from India all my life so I'm not really that aware of Indian culture too well.

I think in Nikhat's case, she wanted to learn dance. Properly. But maybe they killed that off in the character realizing it's not allowed in Islam. But maybe they want to show more of a cultural barriers rather than just the Islamic restrictions so more of the audience can connect?

I don't quite follow about Humaira? About liking Ayaan?

I was commenting on the characters and what they aspire to be. They're all pretty new in terms of acting so naturally, they're not going to be as good as KSG or some of the older actors on the show.

Ayaan's character is a little extreme but then so is Asad's. At least I don't know someone who's that much of a clean freak (minus Obsessive compulsive patients). But this is Indian television. They exaggerate everything! I don't like the way he flirts with anyone and everyone but that just means there's more room for character development to form. Maybe given too many responsibilities will force him to change and mature.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: princessonline


I struggled a lot with the two different worlds in the beginning of high school but I think as I got older and matured I started to realize that my parents are not always right. I have to find what is right and wrong for me by myself. Their expectations are unrealistic and to be frankly honest stupid for lack of better words.

I agree, I am not sure what they are trying to prove. Are they trying to get rid of the stereotypes or are they trying to reinforce them is my biggest question.

I think the concept you gave, about moving to a foreign country and then trying to find who you are when you are stuck in between two very different cultures, yet, still being able to connect with your roots would be a lot more interesting.

They writers wanted to show how people that live in Islamic families are not so strict and they are more modern then what people think of them to be. I don't come from an Islamic family but would love if you could tell me if you are faced with some of the challenges the characters in this show are faced with.

Riya

You're right as you grow older and mature you realize different things and your priorities change. High school is so unrealistic. As I changed as a person I did realize that my parents did have some valid points and it was points that they were making up they were things that were in Islam. They were teaching me to go in my religions path. I got so detached with my culture/religion because I moved at a young age and I totally adapted to my new surroundings. There's still things about my parents that are old fashioned but I have become more open minded. People learn on their own you can't force your opinions on others it doesn't work.

So far the stereotypes they have shown have NOTHING to do with Islam or being a muslim it can happen in any household. I want to know is what makes this show any different from any other Indian show.

I would have loved to see such a track because I know a lot could relate and it seems more realistic, but they can still do this kind of story that even living in the same place you can get detached.

NOPE. I can not relate to anything in this show and I may be speaking on behalf of quite some people.

Zoya: How she is dressed wouldn't be allowed NOT because she's wearing jeans and shirts any kind of clothing is allowed in Islam It just has to be worn modestly. The way she's worn it her behind being shown that is not allowed. I like her storyline where somewhat she's struggling with her NY ways and her homeland ways BUT her character and storyline isan't so strong.

Ayaan/Humaria: Whatever there doing is NOT allowed. It's okay as kids but when you grow up like that the elders will tell you to keep a distance because you're grown now.

Niqab where you cover your mouth or face isn't mandatory but hijab covering up the head is. They could show conflict with that.

There's a lot of problems. I'm confused with the storyline. Is it religious? Is about Muslim culture? Is about a love triangle?

4lions may have the best couples, scenes, or music BUT storyline wise they need to work on that. It's not just with QH all there shows are amazing because there not saas-bahu but no real script.




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Posted: 12 years ago
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Let's assume that the PH shows everything the way it 'should' be in Islam. Then, we'd see the following

-no Ayaan-Humera flirtation. In fact, they shouldn't even be too friendly with each other because that is not allowed.
-Ayaan should lower his gaze each time he steps out of the house or crosses his path with Humera within the house.
-Shirin and her family don't have a basis to live with Mamujaan. They are not real brother-sister so they are na-mahram to each other.
-All females in the show would have to cover their hair, no short sleeves, no bling bling etc.
-Nikhat's in laws should not be asking for dowry. In fact Nikhat should be expecting 'dowry' at the time of nikah from Imran.
-Zoya cannot be friendly with Asad, end up in his room repeatedly etc etc. because again, they're na-mahram and shouldn't be too friendly anyway.
-Asad and Ayaan shouldn't be too involved in music.
-Lots more things.

Not many people will be able to relate to the above. The show won't gather ratings. It will quickly have to be pulled off air. At the end of the day, the PH is a business company and they need to make profit. A short running show with too 'should be' of a storyline cannot survive the competition it will get-at least not in the Indian entertainment industry.

There was that new show in the US last year based on Indian call centers and mostly Indian characters. Didn't last.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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i would say that this show is going really good...and i think they are just showing a certain family be muslim sikh or hindu...it does not matter it is just showing a family that lives in india in that certain culture...the show is representing everyone in india be it any religion and zoya is representing people the are living out of india...even she has restrictions on her cuz she has to live to cultures and she is doing a good job balancing both. we should all look at this show that is representing all cultures beucasue it is showing how the youth is trying to live their life with some of their dreams and traditions and culture can still be follows even when fulfilling your dreams. they are just showing a certain family an it is a muslim family...well im hindu however i can relate to everything that the girls go through beucase that is how my parents think as well...i just get to fulfill my dream job thoand can talk to guys however i cannnot date, go to parties at night and stuf like that but i do know my limits and even zoya is traitional and does what she want and she knows her limits...the show is going strong and i love it =)
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: adeeti10



Riya, Illa,

I'd say some Indians in India have moved with the times. I come from a progressive urban family and my cousins overseas are progressive too. But around me I find many friends who complain about their extended families - NRI cousins who grow up in more traditional homes whether it is the US or UK cos their parents left India in the 70s or 80s and live in a time warp. And they're amazed when they come to India to find cousins who party, wear what their parents would call skimpy attire... And if its mentioned to their folks, they're stonewalled saying its sad that Indians are losing their own culture.

The sad part is that people everywhere equate culture with this notion of what to wear, what we do at a very superficial level forgetting its about values. And talking about culture, it's something that evolves... So by clinging to old habits unnecessarily, we are doing a disservice.



I agree with you! I think people associate things such as clothes, the way we speak and modify ourselves, our actions or simple harmless actions as "uncultured". It is so hard to explain to them that just because we do certain things does not mean we have no respect for our culture. You know the biggest problem I face is that my parents have never really brought the Indian culture to us. We have only been to India once or twice yet they want us to know everything there is to know. We barely ever celebrate a holiday and even if we do we don't know why we are doing what we are going. I get most of my Indian culture through these shows. They want us to think traditionally which let me tell you has nothing to do with culture. There are such stupid rules like don't talk to buys, don't hang out with girls that talk to boys, don't go out and party and I always say that by putting all these restrictions you are in a way doubting your ability. Yes, too much freedom can be a bad thing but let them have fun, talk to to boys and girls because most likely your kids will not break your trust. You have raised them and it is time you let them figure themselves out. So many people have moved and progressed and I think especially with parents that live abroad, not all but some of them are stuck in a whole different time zone.

Personally, I know what it is right and what is wrong and I do what I need to do. I have never done anything my parents need to be ashamed of, but how is it that you are going to work with coworkers and be at school and never talk to the other gender? Not everyone is out for one thing. I have many amazing guy friends but my parents will never be able to see that or know. That's what most of us have to do anyways. 😭

Hey Riya,
I can understand how you feel. Funnily, my mom was pretty liberal and that meant going out in mixed groups, so long as she knew the guys i went out with and didn't date exclusively cos dating was not cool when I was in college. But when she did find out I was going steady with someone, there was a sane discussion on why I'm young at 18 to commit and I shouldn't let this relationship take away my focus from life goals like college and career. Her trust and faith meant I almost never lied to her about my plans with friends, and on the one or two occasions I did I was wracked with guilt. I eventually grew out my college crush and met someone else many years after working. Again she didn't pressure me as much as the typical moms to marry soon after college. I told her I didn't want an arranged marriage where I'd meet the guy twice and have to say yes or no. So I finally met my husband at 28 and we married soon after. I guess I'm privileged. And I know for sure, my kids will be raised like I was.




Firstly, I just wanted to say I am so happy that you were able to find the person of your dreams. 😃
My mom, is pretty liberal as well, but my dad and my grandparents are totally not. The only reason why my mom poses so many restrictions is because she has to answer to them. My grandparents are really sweet and I love them to bits but I still feel they have the "old" thinking; my dad on the other hand is a man of few words and all action. He will first do what he has to do and then ask the questions. Basically pronounce you guilty before proven innocent. The only thing he says is "get somewhere in life and the boys can come in the picture," and I am just like ooohhkay. Not like I was planning on going wild over here😕😆
Because my mom has so much faith in us I do try to always tell her what is going on my life and what I am going to do.I know she realizes that we have friends from the opposite gender but I don't think she really acknowledges and just turns the other way on that. But I also know that there are somethings that she will never be able to understand and those are the things that I will never be able to change about her so there is no point in telling her and getting in a fight. Instead I do what I have to do. Because a lot of the times it is something very important. I do feel guilty but then I remind myself that it's not like what I am doing is wrong. I am one of those girls that told my mom it was senior ditch day and that I was not going to go to school and to please let me go out with my friends instead of going to school and made her call in sick for me. 😆

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