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Posted: 13 years ago

@Sammy...


Actually, I only saw a mother figure in the drawing that was absent before but present now. I ascribed neither Arpita nor Aarti to the figure in the drawing since that might have been too presumptuous. In my mind, this appearance of the mother figure in the drawing coincided with the appearance of Aarti in her life.


I disagree though that Palak's need was created only by seeing Aarti as a mother to Ansh. I think it is inspired (that's what it was, in my mind-an inspiration) by Aarti's behavior with all the 3 kids. Aarti feeds all three of them, tells stories to all of them (unlike G3 who has sloka sessions only for her bachchiyaan), and specifically for the girls, she combs their hair (how can we forget this?), makes their favorite sabudana kichdi, and so on. Even if Palak is resistant and rude in the face of another's questioning (just like Yash), she accepts these ministrations and care as part of her daily routine. And Palak cannot have missed that Aarti doesn't back down and show any ill-feelings, no matter how rude Palak is. It is this unbiased consistency and stability that Aarti has brought in their lives that has created this feeling of a complete family in Palak's mind.


And this feeling of a mother figure around her, taking care of her needs albeit in a physical manifestation is probably what inspired that family picture. If I recall correctly, Palak is happy when she brings this drawing to her Papa, looking for his approval. And when she says that no letter needed be written and so on, I felt that she was not really missing Arpita. (This would be substantiated by Aarti's reactions as I mentioned in my take). And only when she doesn't get a response of approval from her Dad, does she begin to get upset and turns away, thinking she did wrong. And then Aarti comes rushing and pushes herself on her. And then the overt feelings, all the G3/Bua profound teachings, and her insecurities etc. everything floods to the fore. Hence, her harsh reaction to Aarti and her running to her old refuge-her papa. I thought it was at that point she exhorts her Papa to bring back her mother.


And Yash, in those few moments of stunned silence, negated all the progress that Aarti had made in her relationship with Palak. Yash's cluelessness around kids is a given. But in this instance, his being stunned could be forgiven, since Palak's questions have driven him to examine his own conscience and feelings. This is what I said about his situation. "A turning point for Yash... If he said yes, he would be acknowledging that he is moving on which, to him, on the surface would be a falsehood, yet underneath a growing truth; and if he said no, he would certainly be acting as a deterrent or even preventing Palak from moving on." But even without saying no and by being silent, he managed to achieve the latter.


EDIT: P.S. If the episodes are all like this one, then I have to put my sarcasm and my funny bone in the freezer. I am not sure which I'd prefer..??!😕 😊

Edited by redeye2012 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
It hard to analyze child pscology here..On one side Palak is like adult, doesn't want to celebrate her birthday as she knows her mom left her on that day and she despise Aarti as she thinks she will replace Arpita. But on the other hand she is like a little girl want her birthday but with her mom only, who hasn't accepted the fact yet that she is gone..
Not criticizing at all, but understanding palak makes you feel for her. She is like a girl who is grown faster than her age, who has sense of responisbility at this young age but at the same time she is child at heart who wish she can get her mom..
Yash and Palak both were trying to help each other by letting this date go, and behaving as it never existed..
I love how it was portratyed.
And Yash accepts it or not, he is at fault here. He was mourning for his loss and forgot her whan she probably needed him most. If she was handled properly at right time, she wouldn't have so much pain in her.
Edited by bbbccc - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
Hola all! Let's see what today's episode has in store for us...I think party will be success, but Aarti will get bashing from Yash for being like Arpita :)

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Posted: 13 years ago
@Indu: It gets even more interesting when you put it like that. Palak has no problem with Yash accepting Aarti as his wife, and Yash has no problem with Palak accepting Aarti as her mother, in fact that is what he wants. But both of them refuse to acknowledge Aarti's role in direct relation to them. It follows that until either Yash accepts Aarti as his wife or Palak accepts Aarti as her mother, neither of them will budge from the status quo. In the name of "waiting for Arpita" each one of them is waiting for the other to move on before they do. That actually makes Aarti's plan very clever and I wonder, similar to the way she appealed to Yash by saying that Arpita would have wanted Palak to be happy, will she appeal to Palak that Arpita would have wanted Yash to be happy? Why else would what they talked about have to be a secret from Yash, if it wasn't a surprise for him? bolo, bolo! 😉

@Sungum: I realise more than "bad Yash," he is "too involved Yash." In this situation with Palak, he can't see beyond her grief because he can't see beyond his own. He himself is grieving for Arpita and so how can he give Palak a healing solution when he is still suffering in pain and prefers not to come out of it? Yash is not someone who would preach what he doesn't practice. That is why an Aarti was needed here to bring perspective and freshness to the vicious cycle of grief, and stop Yash from projecting his grief onto Palak, the same way the outside force of Yash was needed for Aarti to stop projecting her fears onto Ansh.

@Red: Thanks for the detailed reply. I understand much better what you meant now and I do agree. I didn't mean that Palak wanted what Aarti had only with Ansh, but I remembered that scene when she watched Aarti eat ice cream with him because it showed the culmination of Palak's feelings since Aarti had come into their lives. She was not indifferent but jealous. Nobody told her why Aarti left the house after the kidnapping fiasco. When she asked for her hair to be done the way Aarti did it, part of me thinks she was trying to assess the situation without giving away that she missed her presence. So she takes note of the fact that Aarti is not there to do her hair, and then that she is galavanting about with Ansh eating ice cream and having the time of her life. And there we see the first sign that Palak has "feelings" for Aarti. And it's the oldest reaction in the book: jealousy.
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Aarti, since she came to Scindia house, treated all three kids the same in a most deliberate way and Palak had grown used to that. Now she sees Aarti having ice cream only with Ansh and she wonders, why don't I get ice cream? The fact that Palak has come to expect this equality from Aarti shows the first step towards accepting her as her mother. One of the issues Palak expressed when she had the outburst over the room was that Aarti only loved Ansh. Aarti's absence was never explained to her the way Aarti explained them having to leave Scindia house to Ansh. Nobody told her her new mother was coming back soon, which is why I imagine she made faces at her when Aarti asked about the dance. Aarti filled all the gaps in Ansh's knowledge with positivity about Yash and the Scindias. Yash left that vacuum in Palak's mind by not saying anything for Bua and Gayatri to fill.

I hope this party will show Palak that Aarti loves her and is here to stay, thereby eliminating two of her biggest fears and barriers to acceptance.

Agreed that Yash was a total dunce with the drawing!
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Posted: 13 years ago
@Red: The appearance of a mother in that drawing definitely is significant...and does have a lot to do with the appearance of Aarti in their lives and people insisting she is their mother now. Only Yash has not yet voiced that, so it could be an act of defiance on Palak's part...that "look, I have a mother. I don't need you to be one" ...and that "even papa thinks so. He never says you are my mother." So, in front of Aarti, she shares this private moment with her father...and when Aarti tries to get close to her, she runs to her father with her anti-Aarti comments...confident that he will agree with her. And when he takes the neutral ground, she is shattered.



@Sangum: You have echoed what majority of the audience feels about Yash's behavior. He is totally at sea here. Fact is he has no clue how to sit and explain to his daughters. I mentioned a couple of pages back how that is typical of a father...if he had had a son instead of daughters, he may have handled it much better. Even Aarti has been at fault in handling Ansh in the beginning. When he needed to be dealt with tough hands, she handled him softly, thus making him a pampered brat. Similarly, when Yash needed to be very soft and sensitive and expressive with Palak, he opted for silence and noncommunication...giving her the confidence to openly reject Aarti in such rude manner. And since Yash has never told her that Aarti is her mother now, she thinks he too shares her sentiments...
Edited by InduG64 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Samanalyse



@Sungum: I realise more than "bad Yash," he is "too involved Yash." In this situation with Palak, he can't see beyond her grief because he can't see beyond his own. He himself is grieving for Arpita and so how can he give Palak a healing solution when he is still suffering in pain and prefers not to come out of it? Yash is not someone who would preach what he doesn't practice. That is why an Aarti was needed here to bring perspective and freshness to the vicious cycle of grief, and stop Yash from projecting his grief onto Palak, the same way the outside force of Yash was needed for Aarti to stop projecting her fears onto Ansh.



You've hit the nail on the head, he himself needs to come out of this and lead his daughter to keep going! From my personal experience, never grieve in front of ur kids, it makes them very very weak, have always kept a strong front in front of my kids.
Edited by 49erFan - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: 49erFan


You've hit the nail on the head, he himself needs to come out of this and lead his daughter to keep going! From my personal experience, never grieve in front of ur kids, it makes them very very weak, have always kept a strong frong in front of my kids.


Hi Geets!!! Just wanted to say... I have a lot of regards and admiration for you, Milady!!!! Your courage shines through in your thoughts.
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Posted: 13 years ago
@ Indu, thanks love...big big hugs to u!
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Posted: 13 years ago
I m suddenly all excited for tonight's episode ... no promo ..no segments ...we know nothing whats coming 😃😃
I think this way the excitement is always more ...
I just hope whatever they show , it looks convincing and the final outcome is good for PayPal-Aarti bonding ..because thats what the track is all about currently 😳
I dont mind even if Aarti's plan backfires and she rectifies her mistake of not trying to b Arpita anymore as long as things dont go OTT or overdramatic 😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
Today's thread 😳😕😃

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